You can't fix stupid.
Ummmm yeah .....
Facebook?
Never mind
BLASPHEMY!
I'll get my coat.....
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I had no idea my friends were so stupid!!!!
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Ummmm yeah .....
Facebook?
Never mind
BLASPHEMY!
I'll get my coat.....
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throk" data-source="post: 8396609" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch">becuase they have to find a way to lash out at people who have found a way to get the fix AND move on at the same time seeing how they had to suffer through it to get where they are, in their mind it's not fair - how come you didnt have to go through all the anxiety like i did? when in reality a good 90% of them still think about smoking. and dont want to face the truth
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That's a friend... jeez what an uneducated rant. Unfortunately, I have one of those friends too... high-and-mighty. Of course he only used massive doses of Bupropion for months to achieve his goal. Yeah for pharmaceuticals right.
Just read that... hell we could be talking about the same guy!
Just read that... hell we could be talking about the same guy!
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This is very unfortunate. It's one thing for a friend to be skeptical but they should be supportive. But before you comment, you should at least know something about it. The funny thing is, I've been involved in this for 2 years and have never heard anyone say anything like this before. I was very surprised. Sorry, because I know that disappointment and slight anger you must've felt by what he said.
I know plenty of people like this unfortunately. Some people really just don't get it... of all the people who used to give me grief, two have come round to the idea and the other two are no longer in my life- I broke up with one (see my blog) and have no contact with the other after he broke my HDD and I caved and had 4 cigs. I don't count my ex housemates in that lot but I don't speak to them either anymore. I don't need that garbage in my life. From personal experience, the worst thing you can do is have haters around you. If people can't say something nice, they shouldn't say anything at all - or they should be blocked, deleted and ignored! As awful as it sounds, if someone is only bringing negativity into my life and are holding me back, I don't want them to be allowed to. 'Aint nobody got time for dat!'
If you really don't wanna lose the person as a friend and it's very rare that you see them, don't mention it again and maybe hide any posts about vaping from them to save you the agro.x
If you really don't wanna lose the person as a friend and it's very rare that you see them, don't mention it again and maybe hide any posts about vaping from them to save you the agro.x
I remember reading the thread about that!
While this is completely off topic, did you ever get the information back?
Not yet...I might call them tomorrow. They said 5-10 working days and tomorrow it'll be 5 working days. I can at least find out if they had to send it off or could do it in store. I think I'm seeing a friend who smokes tomorrow so I might bite the bullet and give him my left over baccy. In the meantime, I'm happily back on my 12mg and I'm keeping my fingers and toes crossed that they recover my data... 
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xI cant believe the ignorance in the statement, "smoke cigarettes or quit" I mean really? So your saying that because I am using an electronic cigarette that I should go back to actual cigarettes? Or should still be sucking down ammonia, arsenic, and tar, just because the patches didn't work for me?
Just absurd, and I would go as far as to say sick and twisted, reasoning.
Just gave the articles a quick-ish read. What detailed memories you have - mine are just a blur. Isn't it amazing how habitual/ritualistic even smoking can be? For the first couple weeks, there would be triggers that would make me go to the cupboard to grab a cig even though I was vaping. Like a phone call from a long-distance friend that I used to smoke with, or when getting into my car to run an errand, I would reach for one totally subconsciously I suppose. Even after about 3 months vaping now, if I've had "enough" to drink, I'll find myself opening the cupboard.
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Albert Einstein said: “Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.”
According to my friends, who have been smoking for nearly 20 years, same as me, even after a year or year and a half without cigarettes you still get the odd cravings. Two of them went off the analogs at different time of their lives for a year and more, one of them several times without smoking for up to a year and a half, and guess what, they are still smokers at the moment. One of my friends told me that she woke up one day, went to the shop, bought a pack of cigarettes and started smoking again. I asked why? Was it stress or what? No, she said, I just felt like smoking...She said she used to dream about smoking cigarettes as long as her legs
My point is, ex-smokers aren't less vulnerable to starting smoking again, on the contrary...With e-cigarettes, at least you can try cutting down the nicotine content if you want to decrease the dependancy and so far if you are picking the right e-juice, it looks like vaping is not harmful at all regardless of whether you stop it or not.
According to my friends, who have been smoking for nearly 20 years, same as me, even after a year or year and a half without cigarettes you still get the odd cravings. Two of them went off the analogs at different time of their lives for a year and more, one of them several times without smoking for up to a year and a half, and guess what, they are still smokers at the moment. One of my friends told me that she woke up one day, went to the shop, bought a pack of cigarettes and started smoking again. I asked why? Was it stress or what? No, she said, I just felt like smoking...She said she used to dream about smoking cigarettes as long as her legs
My point is, ex-smokers aren't less vulnerable to starting smoking again, on the contrary...With e-cigarettes, at least you can try cutting down the nicotine content if you want to decrease the dependancy and so far if you are picking the right e-juice, it looks like vaping is not harmful at all regardless of whether you stop it or not.
I've just shared it on my FB. Shall see. Most of my close friends are all about it but I'm 'friends' with some rather interesting people on there...
Exactly, we all have our own addictions and there is no need to judge one another on what is right/wrong. To me he is just being internet tough.
Ahh- The 'big brother'....
Yea, he's a role model for...., not.
I'm happy to have you vapping-VAPE ON,bro.
Yea, he's a role model for...., not.
I'm happy to have you vapping-VAPE ON,bro.
Albert Einstein said: “Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.”
According to my friends, who have been smoking for nearly 20 years, same as me, even after a year or year and a half without cigarettes you still get the odd cravings. Two of them went off the analogs at different time of their lives for a year and more, one of them several times without smoking for up to a year and a half, and guess what, they are still smokers at the moment. One of my friends told me that she woke up one day, went to the shop, bought a pack of cigarettes and started smoking again. I asked why? Was it stress or what? No, she said, I just felt like smoking...She said she used to dream about smoking cigarettes as long as her legs
My point is, ex-smokers aren't less vulnerable to starting smoking again, on the contrary...With e-cigarettes, at least you can try cutting down the nicotine content if you want to decrease the dependancy and so far if you are picking the right e-juice, it looks like vaping is not harmful at all regardless of whether you stop it or not.
@ Bilbonetta Yeah, freakishly detailed memories! I can tell you about my first fireworks display (I was a toddler), my first sample of chick soup (also a toddler), my first Blue Ribband biscuit and watching the Muppets for the first time (approximately 3 years old after my dad's 'you've never had a blue ribband?!' and 'you've never seen the muppets?!'- i'm now obsessed with the muppets!), my first Crunchie chocolate bar (aged 4)... aaaaaaaaaaand now I'm going overboard and sounding like Forrest Gump! Never tell me anything because I'll totally remember it! My memories are precious to me which is why The Notebook totally breaks my heart and why I'm so gutted about my baby photos on my HDD.
As for the point I'm quoting above, my favourite quote from the FDA conference was about the 95% failure rate of standard NRTs. Within 20 months, 95% of people who've quit using these methods have failed! FAILED! I remain curious to know how long the other 5% lasted and why it's 20 months and not 24 etc...
I got out my old inhalator the other week to help me through a difficult meeting (it wasn't difficult for me, I just had to sit there for HOURS AND HOURS!) and thought that it was actually helpful which I'd never found when coming off the cigs using that and patches. I looked into getting some more of the cartridges but only to find that they come in one nicotine ratio- 15mg. Now, I'm vaping 12mg and I don't want to go back up to 15mg... I also wouldn't want to be putting money in BP's pockets! What bilbonetta said is very true - we can control our own addiction and wean ourselves off if and when we want to. Control with NRTs and tobacco is almost non-existant! NRTs are staggered too greatly and the odds are known to be stacked against quitters!
Rant over! Lol!x
Your friends thinking sounds pretty normal to me I've heard more then my share of similar comments over the past couple of years.
I think what upset me the most were those closest to me that were happy when I FIRST stopped smoking and started vaping that several months later were giving me their condolences that "that thing didnt work." It took me a while to figure out they didn't see vaping as a healthier alternative to smoking but they saw it as a total quit any tobacco product that I was only going to use for a few weeks before I never used any form of tobacco again. Still vaping three months after I first started vaping meant it was a failure to them. They are completely convinced that nicotine is the worst substance on earth and refuse to even listen to any evidence to the contrary.
I now realize I shouldn't have been, but I was surprised at how many people believe whatever they are told by the FDA without ever questioning anything. Being fed the phrase, "for the children" will make them agree to anything that's given that tag. It seems that every year more and more people loose the ability to think for themselves and are more and more willing to be told what to think and what to believe.
I've heard more then my share of similar comments over the past couple of years. I think what upset me the most were those closest to me that were happy when I FIRST stopped smoking and started vaping that several months later were giving me their condolences that "that thing didnt work."
It took me a while to figure out they didn't see vaping as a healthier alternative to smoking but they saw it as a total quit any tobacco product that I was only going to use for a few weeks before I never used any form of tobacco again. Still vaping three months after I first started vaping meant it was a failure to them. They are completely convinced that nicotine is the worst substance on earth and refuse to even listen to any evidence to the contrary. I now realize I shouldn't have been, but I was surprised at how many people believe whatever they are told by the FDA without ever questioning anything. Being fed the phrase, "for the children" will make them agree to anything that's given that tag. It seems that every year more and more people loose the ability to think for themselves and are more and more willing to be told what to think and what to believe.
Some people are just too ignorant.... Their opinion is all that matters to themselves, and that won't change no matter how hard you try.
These are the same kind of people that will drink themselves ......ed, and if you mention that alcohol is also a poison... Watch out!
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