Well done Jason. I thought the presenter was very well briefed and asked some penetrating questions - and you answered them honestly and fully.
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Very good interview. I felt the presenter was a bit anti with the tone of her questions, but you dealt with them well. Not easy when live and not scripted.
I for one have cut down from over 40 analogue cigs to 5 a day and the e-cigs have been a great help. At my age [ 70yrs ] COPD has set in so every little bit helps, and to get the nicotine without the nasties is a godsend. The NRT inhalers have no taste whatsoever, compared to the e-cigs. Keep up the good work
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I for one have cut down from over 40 analogue cigs to 5 a day and the e-cigs have been a great help. At my age [ 70yrs ] COPD has set in so every little bit helps, and to get the nicotine without the nasties is a godsend. The NRT inhalers have no taste whatsoever, compared to the e-cigs. Keep up the good work
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I look forward to listening to the radio interview later when I am at home.
For now.... can someone tell me what exactly has got trading standards telling people that they can't sell e-cigs?
Do trading standards stop newsagents from selling real cigs even though everyone knows they are full of nasty chemicals and they kill?
For now.... can someone tell me what exactly has got trading standards telling people that they can't sell e-cigs?
Do trading standards stop newsagents from selling real cigs even though everyone knows they are full of nasty chemicals and they kill?
Just listened to the interview Jason and you handled yourself extemely well. I fully believe that e-cigs are the way to go in finally quitting altogether.
The problem im having with t/standards is that they dont like the blue and white box that mini's come in because their is no supplers name and address etc.... The other problem im having is with the nic carts because it dosnt state the ammount of nicotine in the cart .... It would appear that the ammount of nicotien would have to way a certian percentage of the overall cart inc the plastic. I have spoken to them about selling the kits with no nicotien carts in them, and they are going to get back to me on this tomorrow.... So in the meantime i cant order any morestock and cant sell what i have already bought.
Pay close attention to what Rusty is telling us. It's been said many times on this forum that our items are inadequately marked. No question on that. If a first-responder arrives at the scene where a child has consumed liquid from a vial, the first question is: What was in the vial? At a minimum, our liquid containers must state contents by volume and percent. How else is a medical person to react to danger and provide perhaps life-saving treatment?
Childproofing nicotine containers is essential if we hope to have any future. Lab testing on a regular basis will be necessary. Proper invoicing (a joke now) will be necessary to import these items.
Do not compare e-devices to tobacco cigarettes. Those long-established items operate under separate regulations and no one wants to hear your "but e-smoking is healthier" argument. They don't compare.
I would also caution, again, against calling these NRT devices, Pillbox. That's a mistake. That makes them medical devices and there is no way the makers of e-cigs can provide sufficient proof of safety and efficacy to qualify them as NRT. That's an uphill battle that cannot be won in the foreseeable future. These are nothing but personal inhalers, an alternative to inhaling tobacco smoke.
Leave it at that. No promises. Just an option to cigarettes.
Childproofing nicotine containers is essential if we hope to have any future. Lab testing on a regular basis will be necessary. Proper invoicing (a joke now) will be necessary to import these items.
Do not compare e-devices to tobacco cigarettes. Those long-established items operate under separate regulations and no one wants to hear your "but e-smoking is healthier" argument. They don't compare.
I would also caution, again, against calling these NRT devices, Pillbox. That's a mistake. That makes them medical devices and there is no way the makers of e-cigs can provide sufficient proof of safety and efficacy to qualify them as NRT. That's an uphill battle that cannot be won in the foreseeable future. These are nothing but personal inhalers, an alternative to inhaling tobacco smoke.
Leave it at that. No promises. Just an option to cigarettes.
i think you should have talked on the breakfast show by phone this morning bob..to represent pillbox and the forum..not that jason didnt do a good job..but your are use to dealing with the media etc.
and have a good knowledge of e-smoking.no disrespect to jason though..the both of you would have been better voice for us all.
and have a good knowledge of e-smoking.no disrespect to jason though..the both of you would have been better voice for us all.
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We are all learning, that interview was done at 6.56, i was still in my car parked up on the side of the road 2 minutes away from the studio on my mobile phone.
Bob is absolutely correct and his points are valid.. However, if an ecig is not an NRT device , what is it?
Rusty spoke to kate my partner today and she in turn spoke to the trading standards guy in scotland. we were told that the cartridges need to be put through a testing process called CHIP analysis, not fully conversant on it but the jist of it is this.. If the fluid weight in an overall cartridge is over 0.01% then the cartridge boxes need warnings on them. Not that they cannot be sold, but customers need to be informed that the content is over this designated limit...sell by dates on the carts etc/.... Then no problem selling them.
This involves another lab test and report constructing by a conversant body. So as we all knew the cooker is being turned up.. on both sides, ecig momentum is growing by its increasing and happy user base..But the authorities are taking a much closer look..
Bob is absolutely correct and his points are valid.. However, if an ecig is not an NRT device , what is it?
Rusty spoke to kate my partner today and she in turn spoke to the trading standards guy in scotland. we were told that the cartridges need to be put through a testing process called CHIP analysis, not fully conversant on it but the jist of it is this.. If the fluid weight in an overall cartridge is over 0.01% then the cartridge boxes need warnings on them. Not that they cannot be sold, but customers need to be informed that the content is over this designated limit...sell by dates on the carts etc/.... Then no problem selling them.
This involves another lab test and report constructing by a conversant body. So as we all knew the cooker is being turned up.. on both sides, ecig momentum is growing by its increasing and happy user base..But the authorities are taking a much closer look..
At least you have been making moves to comply anyway Pillbox, that's some consolation. You might have the jump on your competitors in this one. If the law is going to be applied then the precautions you have mentioned before (such as labeling etc) will be compulsory.
Here's some information about CHIP - HSE - Chemicals (hazard information and packaging for supply)
It's interesting that CHIP is being applied, it confirms an official position that eliquid is not a medicine:
"Some chemicals, such as cosmetics and medicines, are outside the scope [of CHIP] and have their own specific laws."
Here's some information about CHIP - HSE - Chemicals (hazard information and packaging for supply)
It's interesting that CHIP is being applied, it confirms an official position that eliquid is not a medicine:
"Some chemicals, such as cosmetics and medicines, are outside the scope [of CHIP] and have their own specific laws."
Kate>>>That link is much appreciated i will follow it up in the morning, it means a lot more work but this is good. Its got to be the way forwards, and if it means that then trading standards have a policy they can enforce regarding nicotine products for ecigs then it will certainly flush out the sellers who are not committed.
From a business sense my view is long term and if it costs, which it no doubt will to meet the requested criteria then we will do it.
Also kate PM me your address i will send you that bottle of coconut wicked it arrived today, its a gift for your help on here today and previously
I think Kate in reality trading standards are at a loss.
MRHA are ok as long as we dont promote it as a quit smoking product, although ultimately this is my goal, in my opinion it has to be what an electronic cigarette is used for. I fully recognise others on here have a conflicting view point, but i guess are paradigms are different. My is a business one theirs is a users one..
From a business sense my view is long term and if it costs, which it no doubt will to meet the requested criteria then we will do it.
Also kate PM me your address i will send you that bottle of coconut wicked it arrived today, its a gift for your help on here today and previously
I think Kate in reality trading standards are at a loss.
MRHA are ok as long as we dont promote it as a quit smoking product, although ultimately this is my goal, in my opinion it has to be what an electronic cigarette is used for. I fully recognise others on here have a conflicting view point, but i guess are paradigms are different. My is a business one theirs is a users one..
Mine is both ... I havent been selling e-cigs for very long, and i came across mine by mistake, the guy next door to me bought on for £100 then sold it to me for £50.... It was that day i supprised my self only having 2 real cigs that day ... Now because my wife has a stand selling healthcare products, i was so inpresed with my self and my e-cig that i thought " hold on a min. I only had 2 cigs today ..WOW .. I could sell them" So am a user and a seller of a product i BELIEVE in .... And well done Pillbox on your radio interview ... Found the clip at last.
What do you think T/Stand would make of my latest video? >>>>YouTube - Electronic cigarette
I'm happy to help Pillbox, it's in all our interests to get good results for esmoking.
Here's another link you might want, it's for COSHH (control of substances hazardous to health) regulations - http://www.usdaw.org.uk/getactive/resource_library/files/RLFCOSH/COSHHRegsGuide.pdf I think all you need is, COSHH, CHIP and health and safety in the workplace guidelines. That should keep trading standards happy anyway if you can meet those criteria. Luckily in the UK we are not forced to prove medicinal efficacy and quality ... for now. There is talk of a tobacco and nicotine regulatory agency being set up so in the future you may have to deal with them.
I really do think you're correct, this will flush out less committed and prepared vendors. Considering what is being sold that probably isn't such a bad thing ... just so long as there are still above board sources for nicotine available for us, such as yourself.
As a long term goal I think esmoking is destined to become an approved medical therapy but that could take years. It's possible that full clinical studies might take a generation to prove safety (and we're it). When we don't all fall down dead (hopefully) from the effects of esmoking we will have proved our point, we will live longer than smokers ... that's the plan anyway, lol.
You've been very proactive so far in securing your business, it will be people like you who pave the way for medical approval. I hope it comes sooner rather than later and you profit well from your efforts.
Thanks very much for the Wicked juice present, that is really nice of you and much appreciated. I'll email you tomorrow.
Here's another link you might want, it's for COSHH (control of substances hazardous to health) regulations - http://www.usdaw.org.uk/getactive/resource_library/files/RLFCOSH/COSHHRegsGuide.pdf I think all you need is, COSHH, CHIP and health and safety in the workplace guidelines. That should keep trading standards happy anyway if you can meet those criteria. Luckily in the UK we are not forced to prove medicinal efficacy and quality ... for now. There is talk of a tobacco and nicotine regulatory agency being set up so in the future you may have to deal with them.
I really do think you're correct, this will flush out less committed and prepared vendors. Considering what is being sold that probably isn't such a bad thing ... just so long as there are still above board sources for nicotine available for us, such as yourself.
As a long term goal I think esmoking is destined to become an approved medical therapy but that could take years. It's possible that full clinical studies might take a generation to prove safety (and we're it). When we don't all fall down dead (hopefully) from the effects of esmoking we will have proved our point, we will live longer than smokers ... that's the plan anyway, lol.
You've been very proactive so far in securing your business, it will be people like you who pave the way for medical approval. I hope it comes sooner rather than later and you profit well from your efforts.
Thanks very much for the Wicked juice present, that is really nice of you and much appreciated. I'll email you tomorrow.
Well Today i spoke to somone at HSE and told them that T/Standerds had said a CHIP test was necessary for e-cigs to be sold .... He phoned me back and said NO CHIP TEST WAS needed as e-cigs didnt fall in to the catorgry of HEALTH AND SAFETY AT WORK etc etc ... Wasnt sure what health and safety at work covers, but e-cigs are not in that catagory he said. I then phoned my man at T/Standerds and passed on the name of the HSE man and the phone number for HSE .... Havent heard back from T/S as yet .... Just hope i get my black mini back off him soon.... Was just wondering if anyone else knew why e-cigs dont fall in the the health and safety at work catagory...And does that mean their like Kate said earlier that it MIGHT be in the same catagory as cosmetics !!!!
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Nicotine is a toxic chemical, potentially very dangerous, approximately 60mg can kill an adult. That's less than two ml of extra high Wicked. Have no doubt Rusty, when the authorities sort themselves out and stop passing responsibility from department to department there will be requirements to sell, handle and store this substance safely - if it's allowed at all. Compliance with CHIP now will stop disruption of business when the rules are enforced.
Kate you brought up a good point about the compliance of CHIP now, because i also spoke to Pillbox, after i spoke to HSE and he said he was going to go ahead and get a CHIP test done on his products anyway regardless of whether it needed to be done or not .... So what you say is right Kate .... Its a way for suppliers to protect themself from unforseen circumstances in the future ....It might be that Pillbox ends up OVER PROTECTED in the future ....but that can only be good for a true e-smoker.
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forgive my lack of understanding but apart from the manufacturing side of things what has the Health and safety executive got to do with using e-cigs ?
I thought the HSE where there for workplace safety standards for employee's ?
I thought the HSE where there for workplace safety standards for employee's ?
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