I hate this Magma

[pauly walnuts]

So after a month of dreaming and finally getting extra money, I bought my infinite magma clone from my local shop. It was a bit more expensive, but I didnt care.

It was supposed to have superior flavor, it was supposed to be less leaky, and it was supposed to knock my socks off.....FAIL. Tight draw on the loosest setting, constant leakage into the air holes, and the flavor was, well, meh. My 12 dollar fastech helios clone blows it out of the water in flavor, vapor and ease of building.

Im wondering, are there any other magma haters around here and whats your gripe?

Also, Im in the market for something else now. Im looking at the mutation x, plume veil, stillare, and possibly the origin v2(since I can drill my air holes in it, unlike the magma).

Im just wondering what everyone else thinks, because it gets soooooooo much love, and I freakin hate it.

 

[eyerhere]

Maybe you just need to change your build. Have not used a magma so I cant help. But with my plume veil I felt the same way until I found the right build.

 

[Skeebo]

I love my Magma, and find it works best for me at a 1.2 ohm build single coil. I vape mainly NET's in it so sub ohm is not needed. When it came to the Veritas, I felt the same way you do about the Magma, but that was before I finally found the perfect build for it. With that I use a .90 ohm build, single horizontal coil... flavor and vapor is perfect! Don't give up on the Magma, it could be your build.

 

[roxynoodle]

I've thrown quite a few builds on my magma, most of them enjoyable. I have it on a mech now with a single 0.7ohm coil.

Its really not a cloud chasers rda. So airflow is sufficient if you stay above 0.5ohm.

 

[crxess]

Sounds like you are not one to spend time learning the ins/outs of a good RDA....... or are you?

Poor Flavor/Crappy performance = Crap build

Leaking out air holes = over filling or again, crappy build.

I have plenty of RDA's I like and a few that have been a challenge. A little time with each. A few tweaks or changes to MY way of thinking they should be built and eventually every single one has proven to be a performer.

Magma
Dual 2mm 28gauge coils @ .65ohm
2mm off the air holes
Set to largest opening
Rayon Wicks
Stingray X
Efest 18350
Rayon wicks - dragging the well bottom
50/50 Strawberry Vanilla Bean Ice Cream 1mg

Loads of Vapor and Lip licking Good Flavor

I have and enjoy using 3 Omega RDA's for their open draw.
Magma is only slightly tighter and much better at producing flavor. I have ordered a second Magma for sampling.

If you are use to a more open draw, you over sold yourself on the Magma. It has clearly been advertised as a Flavor RDA.

Perhaps an Origen would be a better choice and may be easier to modify if desired.

 

[kickflipsnnollies]

I love my Magma. I'm running a single twisted 28g coil, 2.4mm at 0.9 ohm. Tasty as all hell. The draw is a little tight, but I drilled out the AFC ring so that I can use the largest hole over the coil and the smallest one on the other side for a little more airy draw while still directing most of the air at the coil. I would say it's still pretty tight but it works great. Earlier today I had a single parallel 2mm ID at 0.7 ohm and it was amazing until I messed around and shorted the coil on my thumb, popping it.

Mine does leak though, and I don't think there's a whole lot I can do about that besides drip way less than it should hold. Everyone talks about getting 2 ml in it, but I stick to around 0.5 ml, maybe 1 ml tops. Most of the leaking is from condensation on the top cap coming down, hitting the deck and getting into the airhole that way. IDK any way around that.

My Stillare puts out much, much better clouds but the Magma tastes a million times better. The Magma is also WAY easier to build on. I hardly have to adjust anything after I tighten down the screws.

 

[pauly walnuts]

Sounds like you are not one to spend time learning the ins/outs of a good RDA....... or are you?

Poor Flavor/Crappy performance = Crap build

Leaking out air holes = over filling or again, crappy build.

I have plenty of RDA's I like and a few that have been a challenge. A little time with each. A few tweaks or changes to MY way of thinking they should be built and eventually every single one has proven to be a performer.

Magma
Dual 2mm 28gauge coils @ .65ohm
2mm off the air holes
Set to largest opening
Rayon Wicks
Stingray X
Efest 18350
Rayon wicks - dragging the well bottom
50/50 Strawberry Vanilla Bean Ice Cream 1mg

Loads of Vapor and Lip licking Good Flavor

I have and enjoy using 3 Omega RDA's for their open draw.
Magma is only slightly tighter and much better at producing flavor. I have ordered a second Magma for sampling.

If you are use to a more open draw, you over sold yourself on the Magma. It has clearly been advertised as a Flavor RDA.

Perhaps an Origen would be a better choice and may be easier to modify if desired.

The airflow seems set in stone and that bums me out. Ive tried around fifteen different builds on my magma, and though many were good, they all seemed so restricted by a draw that I have little control over. Time isnt the issue, I think? I spent many hours making my el cheapo helios work for me (single coil, parallel 28ga, 7wraps, 3/32 inside diameter, slightly higher than the air holes. Both air holes drilled out to 3/32 also)),its flavor and draw are perfect. I worked for that, and it does what its supposed to. Ive worked pretty hard on the magma too, and its seeming like a lost cause.

Im going to try some twisted builds, since ive been through 24-28ga, 1/16-3mm(not sure the sae fraction for 3mm), single coil, dual coil, and parallel coils, in all different orientations over the air hole, with cotton and rayon. Im just not sure if its a lost cause, which really sucks since I always get my builds to work, eventually, until now.

I may try the origin, or the plume veil if this doesnt work out.

 

[MrPlink]

Could be you are just so used to your Helios that you cant make the transition. Getting used to a loose draw is a very hard thing to move away from IME.



I have another hypothesis too.
Contrary to conventional wisdom I have found that there are actually some juices out there that in addition to high power need high airflow for the flavor to shine.

Now that aside, there shouldn't be any good reason a magma won't murder a helios for flavor.

If you want a very loose draw but flavor too, the plume veil is very good and easy to build. Magma still wins for flavor but the plume veil will crush the magma for cloudage.

 

[AndriaD]

Actually I'm really glad to hear it has a tight draw; I've been mulling over the idea of a magma for a while, but wasn't sure if the draw would be tight enough to suit me. Sounds like it would be. I have 2 RDAs, one I love and one I hate: I love my Igo-S, it has that tight draw, and I positively despise my Caterpillar, it's like trying to smoke a straw or something, no resistance in the draw whatever, even with the airflow almost entirely closed.

So I think the magma is climbing my list of "cool hardware I'd love to buy" -- when I get the money for something other than ejuice or flavors.

Andria

 

[Nomoreash]

Actually I'm really glad to hear it has a tight draw; I've been mulling over the idea of a magma for a while, but wasn't sure if the draw would be tight enough to suit me. Sounds like it would be. I have 2 RDAs, one I love and one I hate: I love my Igo-S, it has that tight draw, and I positively despise my Caterpillar, it's like trying to smoke a straw or something, no resistance in the draw whatever, even with the airflow almost entirely closed.

So I think the magma is climbing my list of "cool hardware I'd love to buy" -- when I get the money for something other than ejuice or flavors.

Andria

The Magma has adjustable airflow so I don't think you'll have a problem finding your draw. What some seem to have issue with is they say it's too tight in the most open setting. I don't find that at all, it does have a little resistance in the most open setting but still pretty wide open. I personally wouldn't want it any more open and often use it in the middle setting. I guess that's what some are use to though and it's widely known this is more of a flavor chaser than a cloud chaser.

 

[LoveVanilla]

Actually I'm really glad to hear it has a tight draw; I've been mulling over the idea of a magma for a while, but wasn't sure if the draw would be tight enough to suit me. Sounds like it would be. I have 2 RDAs, one I love and one I hate: I love my Igo-S, it has that tight draw, and I positively despise my Caterpillar, it's like trying to smoke a straw or something, no resistance in the draw whatever, even with the airflow almost entirely closed.

So I think the magma is climbing my list of "cool hardware I'd love to buy" -- when I get the money for something other than ejuice or flavors.

Andria

Andria, the air hole on the Igo-S is 1.14mm. Air holes selections on Magma are 1mm, 2mm or 3mm (which are doubled if running dual coil). So yes, with single coil and 1mm air hole, believe you can get the draw you're after with Magma.

 

[MrPlink]

You can just use the largest air hole (s) and close them off partially to get the exact draw you want

 

[ScottChensoda]

I'm trying very hard to understand the problems you are having PeeDubya and just two thoughts spring to mind. Well spring may not be the correct word to use as with my antiquated fuzzy brain, things tend to slowly dawn on me nowadays.

That said, is it possible you may have a machining burr blocking/restricting one or even both of your airholes? This possibly can be confirmed by overfilling the device and seeing if juice leaks from either of the airholes, or better still, maybe if you set just the single 3mm hole on the AFC control ring open over one hole and then blow through the drip tip then try exactly the same over the other airhole.

The other point that confuses me and raises my concerns as to whether indeed you have actually been sold a Magma and not some other device, is when you mention "Both airholes drilled out to 3/32...." This, I fail to understand due to the explanation for AndriaD below.

@ AndriaD:

The Magma consists of a base that has two 3mm airholes opposite each other and an AFC ring that has nine holes in and you adjust the ring around on the base to match whichever configuration you desire. The ring itself fits loosely on the base and is held in your chosen setting until you screw the top cap on which securely locks down the AFC ring, whereby it cannot move until you unscrew it.

Airhole sizes are 3no. @ 1mm dia. ....3no. @ 2mm dia. and 3no. @ 3mm dia.

Configurations:

The user has the option to use either or both of the airholes in the base in conjunction with the airholes in the AFC ring which in turn can be set either fully open or just partly open.

The nine holes in the AFC ring are set so that the user may easily use just one of the base airholes corresponding with a 1mm, 2mm or 3mm hole on the AFC ring, or both of the base airholes, again with 2 x 1mm, 2 x 2mm or 2 x 3mm configurations. All fully open or part thereof. As said, user's choice.

Therefore in essence the user has the choice to use the Magma in any configuration to give anything from 0.5mm to 6mm of total airflow. Give or take for calculating part open airholes. I would say however that getting a satisfying vape from a 0.5mm airhole would require the lung power of a blue whale.

So you see PeeDubya, that's why I'm finding it hard to understand your problem. I hope you get it solved and end up vaping happy 'cos that's what it's all about.

 

[bludogg]

So after a month of dreaming and finally getting extra money, I bought my infinite magma clone from my local shop. It was a bit more expensive, but I didnt care. It was supposed to have superior flavor, it was supposed to be less leaky, and it was supposed to knock my socks off.....FAIL. Tight draw on the loosest setting, constant leakage into the air holes, and the flavor was, well, meh. My 12 dollar fastech helios clone blows it out of the water in flavor, vapor and ease of building. Im wondering, are there any other magma haters around here and whats your gripe? Also, Im in the market for something else now. Im looking at the mutation x, plume veil, stillare, and possibly the origin v2(since I can drill my air holes in it, unlike the magma). Im just wondering what everyone else thinks, because it gets soooooooo much love, and I freakin hate it.

Hrm, that's weird, a Magma really shouldn't leak. It's got deep wells. If it's leaking, I'm going to guess those wells aren't sufficiently wicked? I don't own a Magma, but been thinking about getting one, so your post is disappointing to me. I'm a flavor chaser and want to try something different than the next kayfun clone. As far as RDA's go, the Magma comes up alot in this regard. The plume veil is pretty highly regarded, but again I don't know anything.

Honestly, my two choices were the Magma or Veritas. You seem to think as I do, so maybe take a look into the Veritas and user reports and decide if it sounds like something you'd be into. I normally find it takes me quite a bit of frustration to figure an build out on something new to me. Even when it appears to be quite similar to other things I own.

I wouldn't give up on that Magma yet, there are a bunch of geniuses here. Tell them your materials, target ohms, and build tools. For instance: Magma, prep'ed cotton balls, 1.5mm and 2mm rods, 30g and 28g Kanthal available. What do I do to make this work right? I have a Provari that cannot go below 2.9v, so real low builds are out, and I'm targeting 1.8-2.0.

You will get a lot of inventive responses. These guys live for this stuff .

 

[ScottChensoda]

Oh, I would also say.....

The Magma is such an easy build but I would advise those using microcoils to set them at a slight angle and off central aiming towards the drip well, so that anytime the user goes for a 'blue whale' inhale and pulls up excess juice, it will drip back down into the drip well and not into the airhole thereby leaking out externally via the AFC ring.

As far as single coil builds go Andria, my current Magma build is an 'accidental' 2 ohm single coil which I find more than adequate vapourwise and typically Magma flavoursome, so it will stay until my new stock of wire arrives over the next few days. It is 'accidental' because I clumsily popped the second coil while adjusting the original 1.0 ohm dual coil set up I was going for.

It consists of:

12 no. wraps of 28.5 guage (.30mm in foreign) around a 2mm darning needle, set at an approx 10 deg. incline.
Wicked with a full rayon wick poked down into the bottom of the drip well.
Set at maximum 2 x 3mm airflow.

I really would advise you to buy one Andria and at $25 or so it represents excellent VFM.

 

[TCombinator]

OP: Do you have a picture of your build with soaked wicks in place?

 

[pauly walnuts]

The other point that confuses me and raises my concerns as to whether indeed you have actually been sold a Magma and not some other device, is when you mention "Both airholes drilled out to 3/32...." This, I fail to understand due to the explanation for AndriaD below.

I promise you its a MAGMA, not a manga, namga or a patriot that says magma on the side, I would not waste your time like that.. The 3/32 air holes were drilled in my helios, which I was describing in the same sentence.

I inspected the air holes, no obstruction. Im entertaining the option of widening the airholes, but im not sure I should work so hard to love this beast.

 

[stanthemanchan]

The most common mistake I see with the Magma is that people tend to leave the coils sitting up too high and not centred over the airholes. To get the best flavour, you need to make sure the coils are sitting down low directly over the airholes (about 1-2mm over them) so they get direct airflow.

 

[Shipmonster]

Vertical coil. Twisted 28 gauge. Japanese cotton wrapped around it.
Game over.

 

[Heespharm]

I promise you its a MAGMA, not a manga, namga or a patriot that says magma on the side, I would not waste your time like that.. The 3/32 air holes were drilled in my helios, which I was describing in the same sentence.

I inspected the air holes, no obstruction. Im entertaining the option of widening the airholes, but im not sure I should work so hard to love this beast.

Yea a pic would help a lot... Anything that helps is putting the coil about 1mm above the air hole


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