Contact the radio station and provide them this link: Bill Godshall and Smokefree Pennsylvania submit 158 pages of comments to FDA on e-cigarette evidence | E-Cigarette Forum
I heard an anti vape commercial on my local radio station today!
- Thread starter GemInEye
- Start date
- th_trl_thread_readers 0
- Status
I would not show it to anybody. Badly written, too political and partisan. "Obama administration is responsible..." - you see it everywhere. It looks like not pro-vaping piece, but like anti-Obama proclamation. I'd bury it somewhere far away and forget it completely.
The way I see it, reducing 50% of smoked cigarettes has a great impact on cancer-related diseases, but not so much on cardiovascular diseases.
Of course, greatly reducing the risk of cancer-related diseases alone, when you cut smoking to an half with the help of an e-cig is *still* a good thing that most ANTI's refuse to see. To a great deal of smokers, "quitting cold-turkey" means stopping smoking for a fer weeks or months only, and then returning to the *full* risks of tobbaco smoke. Even if you do not stop smoking completely with an e-cig, I thinks it's best to accept the *lower* risk permanently, than simply having "no-risk" for a little while and then returning to *full* risk again.
On the other hand, the not-so-reduced cardiovascular risk is *still* related to tobacco smoke, not nicotine by itself. Not a problem when people completely quit smoking with e-cigs(*).
Just my 2 cents.
(*) ETA:
From my personal experience (for example, a close friend and family, ALL heavy smokers of them, where EVERYONE has managed to completely quit smoking - and one of them has stopped smoking AND vaping after smoking 2-3 PADS for more than 20 years), I'm pretty sure that for each whiner complaining that "Poor me, e-cigs are not an effective quitting method [for *me*, in *my* specific case]", that radio station could easily have found 10 more people who were sucessful at their quitting attempts.
But of course, spreading the truth by telling those testimonies does *not* help the agenda of people or organizations who have not-so-covered economic interests against the e-cigarette.
Some commercials I have heard are now stating smoking 1 or 2 cigarettes a day is not enough and the same as a pack a day or whatever/
That's another example how ANTZ's do not even think about the potencial harm they may be doing with their ideological garbage.
(But then again, it's only the *hypothetical* harms done to "the childrun" that keep them from sleeping at night. Not the *real* harms done as a *consequence* of their rethoric).
Suppose that someone has been struggling to quit smoking, and despite his best efforts, the best he could manage was to reduce his smoking down to 2 cigarettes a day.
If later he hears a "doctor" on the radio proclaiming that smoking two is the same as smoking twenty, then that person might just take that "medical advice" and assume that since he has not been able to completely quit, he might as well give up the daily struggle to control himself and return to smoking a PAD. Because "It is the same thing, after all, so why bother?". Or so a "doctor" told him.
If the shoe fits.
Regardless of what many refuse to believe, much of the anti-vaping stance IS political and has absolutely nothing to do with factual science.
Instead of picking another group of folks to throw under the bus how about we just try to fight our own battles. If that substance that will not be mentioned here is taxed as much as the powers that be want it to be, to line their own pockets, then the ones that truly need it will not be able to afford it anyway. Much like the one thing our devices are useless without (the liquid). If they get their way with taxes the price will go through the roof.
PS: I am one that believes it is a plant put here for medicinal purposes much like the tree that aspirin was made from. Abuse has cause it to be classed as against the law and this is all I will say on this subject.
To the OP, maybe since it is a local station you can visit them and set them straight. Maybe send them here if they are willing to listen.
It seems like that there is a lot of corruption taking place and many of the rotten politicians that are against vaping are receiving money from big tobacco.
A bill that would prohibit the use of e-cigarettes in the same places smoking is banned was introduced in the Legislature this week by Sen. Mark Leno, D-San Francisco. In recent years, as more Democrats have accepted campaign donations from cigarette makers, similar legislation has failed.
Read more here: California health officials launch campaign against ‘vaping’ | The Sacramento Bee
The one that gets me is the TV spot that plays that Lollipop song, I mean if I were a kid and saw that commercial, I'd be like "dude, I so want to try that now, it looks so fun".
I ran into a co-worker yesterday and somehow our conversation got around to vaping and she said something like "yeah but it's just as bad as cigarettes, I just heard yesterday that the second hand "smoke" they put out is as bad to the people around somebody using those things as it is cigarettes". I did however set her straight but she insisted "that's what everybody is saying though".
I think somebody that ends up doing both smoking and vaping has an extremely addictive personality and God help them if they ever need to take pain medication.
I ran into a co-worker yesterday and somehow our conversation got around to vaping and she said something like "yeah but it's just as bad as cigarettes, I just heard yesterday that the second hand "smoke" they put out is as bad to the people around somebody using those things as it is cigarettes". I did however set her straight but she insisted "that's what everybody is saying though".
I think somebody that ends up doing both smoking and vaping has an extremely addictive personality and God help them if they ever need to take pain medication.
I have to agree in this case.
I am a democrat. I do not talk about it much here because of stances that I generally see.
But in the case of vaping, it has become a political pawn as most things do tend to have happen to them.
Here is my anti-stop smoking drug commercial: Side effects associated with the stop- smoking drug ******* include mood swings, suicide, hostility, aggression, paranoia, hallucinations, panic and confusion. Many patients report inability to sleep and nightmares. Reports of serious side effects prompted the FDA to ban ******* for use by airline pilots.
So, you want alienate all democrats? What good it will bring to vapers?
I have to agree in this case.
I am a democrat. I do not talk about it much here because of stances that I generally see.
But in the case of vaping, it has become a political pawn as most things do tend to have happen to them.
It more than just political. It's about politicians CYA and grabbing cash.
Politicians are desperately scrambling to cover up their mistakes.
The propaganda is to hide the facts so they won't get crucified in the next elections.
I've been registered as both republican and democrat.
However, I gave up partisan thinking along time ago.
Always remember:
We do not elect "leaders".
We do not elect "deciders".
We elect representatives of the will of the people.
Their job is to represent what "WE" want, whether they personally like it or not, as long as it in accordance with the constitution.
Doing the opposite is contradictory to their oath and the law.
They work for you, if not, they are criminally abusing their elected office.
It's our job to make sure they do theirs.
I agree with you, Ninja. I find that I am becoming an issue voter. In fact, I have become more involved with what the person running is all about instead of to what party they belong. Even then, it is a crap shoot. They are all well versed in how to say what they think the people want to hear and then play that up, whether or not they actually believe that stance.
It seems that the only way you truly know how a politician feels and thinks is to wait till elected and then their true colors come out. Once they get the office, the mask slips.
*sigh* I despise politics. It is a game and we are all pawns. I am doing my damnedest to fight and I think we are gaining some ground. It is slow going and we do have setbacks, but at least we are getting heard and we are fighting!
*Going back to my corner to read and observe and learn more*
It seems that the only way you truly know how a politician feels and thinks is to wait till elected and then their true colors come out. Once they get the office, the mask slips.
*sigh* I despise politics. It is a game and we are all pawns. I am doing my damnedest to fight and I think we are gaining some ground. It is slow going and we do have setbacks, but at least we are getting heard and we are fighting!
*Going back to my corner to read and observe and learn more*
Do not want to steer thread in political direction, but it is common American misconception.
"We" elect those approved by establishment (politicians, media, corporations...)
Last edited:
Your right..but not like you think.
Many today have been brainwashed to think their vote doesn't count.
They don't "bother" to vote.
Politicians pander to their district, but only the constituents that actually vote.
To them, If you don't vote, your opinion doesn't matter.
It's much easier, cheaper, and efficient for tptb to simply alter the narrative through deception than to physically tamper with an election process.
Just look around at how well it works!
It's fashionable these days Not to vote!
Insanity!
We had an anti vaping billboard on the outside of our city that said vaping is still smoking, it had a crying child and all that BS.
I was shocked to see e cig commercials on TV. Now they are spouting anti-vaping propaganda
Do you remember what or who was the source of the commercial?
I am going back to the pool today so maybe i will hear it again and catch the station. The oddest thing was it came on just as i had sat down from asking the pool owner if i could vape and he was like sure. Ive had to explain to people around me who dont smoke that vaping isnt worse which is what they are believing i guess from ads like these. My sister told me there are really harmful chemicals in ejuices and i asked like what? She had no idea. I explained to her that i have no idea what is in my cigs but i do know what and how much is in my juice. crazyness i tell you.I was shocked to see e cig commercials on TV. Now they are spouting anti-vaping propaganda
- Status
Similar threads
