I need some research help for an article on e-cigarettes and children

[crxess]

The other thing that I'm looking for is information on the death of the child from ingestion of e-juice. Something is weird about it because when I look at this data (page 137), it says that the death was from unflavored nicotine. Was the death from mixing?

NO, The Death was from Negligence.......(Presumably - no autopsy) Unattended open container left carelessly about.

Also, 1 non-US child death by same means. <Isreal - 2013 >

Nicotine incidents are the lowest with least likelihood of occurrence of most household allowed products.

Sadly Both Children lost their lives with Dramatic and often misguided Media coverage with No follow up to Truthfully inform the public of what REALLY Happened.

 

[WillyZee]

"The other thing that I'm looking for is information on the death of the child from ingestion of e-juice"

I'm looking for something similar ... information on the deaths caused by concentrated laundry detergent pods.

 

[ENAUD]

I found info on the child's death here.



I was right. No flavors at all. Also, the family was making their own juice. The FDA deeming will increase incidents like this.

I agree and have had this very concern for a while now. This will be a touchy subject due to the nature of the forum, which has had a strong emphasis on safe handling of nicotine having been my observation, regarding information shared about handling and storing of nicotine, being the norm.

Now with the deeming published, there is a rush for people not experienced with handling nicotine base to just stock some away. Some will do their homework, and pay heed to the precautions and safe handling practices that have been shared, others will proceed at whatever level they deem proper, and bell curves being what they are, things will happen.

I applaud you for taking a stand, and reading your article gave me some hope that an up welling of support could possibly emerge from the medical community. First hand experience for me was not so good with my personal physician. He said I should also quit vaping, wrong advice to a patient with a 35 year history of cigarette addiction.

As vapers, we currently feel rather betrayed right now by the FDA, and rightly so. I personally am a little leary of the medical profession because of the whole relationship they have with the FDA. Good luck to you in your endeavor.

 

[daviedog]

Maybe some of you can convince the diy/stockpiling crowd to start to use tamper proof seals with 100mg nicotine bottles as a part of standard practice.

Do it yourself,, no one here works for you!..

 

[mpols]

So my article on harm reduction with younger children stalled. I was able to write one on teen vape use: But What About the Children? Teen Vaping and E-cigarettes

 

[DPLongo22]

I applaud you, Sir, and thank you for your efforts. A very well written, well researched, and well presented article.

 

[Katdarling]

Agreed. Great work, mpols, and thank you. Truly.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

I found info on the child's death here.



I was right. No flavors at all. Also, the family was making their own juice. The FDA deeming will increase incidents like this.

yes the deeming regs will somewhat increase the number of people making their own eliquid for vaping.
And the 100 mg nicotine is a common strength to get.
Yes it is dangerous and most does not even come with child resistant caps.
It is just like any other dangerous substance such as prescription medicines and should be kept well out of childrens reach.
User education is an important aspect that is sadly lacking in the world of vaping. Battery safety, Nicotine handling, Mechanical mod safety, etc.
Sites like this fill in a lot of safety education for vaping but a very small percentage of vapers visit here and similar sites.

I vape and I DIY all of my ejuice.
Why?
LOTS cheaper and some ingredient in most commercial eliquid causes me trouble.
A puffy feeling mouth and loss of taste being the main symptoms.
Several of the flavorings I have tried cause the same issues, so down the drain they go.

I did quit a 40 year 1-2 PAD smoking habit with Vaping almost 18 months ago.

 

[crxess]

Thank you for an Excellent article.
I thank you for myself, my family and my Friends that have turned away from Combustible Tobacco.

 

[HazyShades]

Having actually tasted 100mg/ml
I have a hard time believing that a child was able to ingest enough to kill him unless he had a bad heart.

However, I have no difficulty understanding the research the Doctor is doing nor believing that his intentions are good.
In fact, even if the man is doing some kind of ANTZ sponsored
research, which his warning about clone LG batteries elsewhere
makes me tend to believe is not the case, as long as his research is unbiased and leads to provable hypothesis' I'm all for it.

Regards,
Hazy

 

[mpols]

Having actually tasted 100mg/ml
I have a hard time believing that a child was able to ingest enough to kill him unless he had a bad heart.

However, I have no difficulty understanding the research the Doctor is doing nor believing that his intentions are good.
In fact, even if the man is doing some kind of ANTZ sponsored
research, which his warning about clone LG batteries elsewhere
makes me tend to believe is not the case, as long as his research is unbiased and leads to provable hypothesis' I'm all for it.

Regards,
Hazy

I think I made a statement earlier that we spend so much time focusing on this one child that we are forgetting about the many other children that are dying from smoking. That said, even if this child had a bad heart, then this child, who happened to have a bad heart was killed by non-flavored 100mg nicotine. It was a tragic accident. It was also one case since vaping started. The 84 toddlers that died from getting into their parents and grandparents medication from 2012-2014 were also tragic accidents (but we don't talk about them). Accidents happen, and if we can do something to prevent them then we should, however, we shouldn't blow these harms out of perspective.

For the record, I don't believe that vaping is harmless. What I do believe is that vapings overall harm to society is minuscule compared to smoking.

 

[HazyShades]

For the record, I don't believe that vaping is harmless. What I do believe is that vapings overall harm to society is minuscule compared to smoking.

Agreed. Anything that isn't natural to the body is harmful in some way.
Agreed, vaping is getting blamed for things that are only carelessness
and things that are truly harmful are being made light of.
Agreed, comparably smoking is 95% worse for a body than vaping.

We're all better of as vapers being well informed through unbiased research. Not all research scientists are ANTZ (an often overused term on this forum)

Regards,
Hazy

 

[ENAUD]

I think I made a statement earlier that we spend so much time focusing on this one child that we are forgetting about the many other children that are dying from smoking. That said, even if this child had a bad heart, then this child, who happened to have a bad heart was killed by non-flavored 100mg nicotine. It was a tragic accident. It was also one case since vaping started. The 84 toddlers that died from getting into their parents and grandparents medication from 2012-2014 were also tragic accidents (but we don't talk about them). Accidents happen, and if we can do something to prevent them then we should, however, we shouldn't blow these harms out of perspective.

For the record, I don't believe that vaping is harmless. What I do believe is that vapings overall harm to society is minuscule compared to smoking.

I also don't believe that vaping is 100% harmless, however I do believe that it is in order of magnitudes safer for me than the 50 cigarettes a day that I was smoking prior to adopting it. I also think that a lot more research needs to be done, unbiased research without an agenda or motive. Research that is done objectively and with an unbiased interpretation will ultimately decide where the cards fall on the whole issue. Barring that, we may as well be living in the 1600's.

 

[HazyShades]

I think I made a statement earlier that we spend so much time focusing on this one child that we are forgetting about the many other children that are dying from smoking. That said, even if this child had a bad heart, then this child, who happened to have a bad heart was killed by non-flavored 100mg nicotine. It was a tragic accident. It was also one case since vaping started. The 84 toddlers that died from getting into their parents and grandparents medication from 2012-2014 were also tragic accidents (but we don't talk about them). Accidents happen, and if we can do something to prevent them then we should, however, we shouldn't blow these harms out of perspective.

For the record, I don't believe that vaping is harmless. What I do believe is that vapings overall harm to society is minuscule compared to smoking.

Hey Doc, I hope you understood when I said
it is difficult for me to believe that the child was able to ingest enough nicotine to die.
The stuff tastes terrible by itself. A normal person, even a child would spit it out on contact so only a very sensitive person would be affected by the amount that might be ingested through the mucus membranes.

I'm sure you'd be able to provide more precise data, mine is only a layman's opinion based on personal experience and I am not a little child.

Regards,
Hazy

 

[ENAUD]

Nicotine High-Toxicity Myth Destroyed

 

[ENAUD]

How much nicotine kills a human? Tracing back the generally accepted lethal dose to dubious self-experiments in the nineteenth century

 

[ENAUD]

So my article on harm reduction with younger children stalled. I was able to write one on teen vape use: But What About the Children? Teen Vaping and E-cigarettes

Thank You Sir, for that very well written and well presented bit of truth.

 

[mpols]

Ugg! This is where I feel like I'm banging my head against a wall. I did not read the toxicology report. I did not read the autopsy report. I do not know what pre-existing conditions this child had. All I read was the most recent news article attributing the death to unflavored 100mg liquid nicotine with no tamper proof cap (even if there was a cap). This was a toddler, not an adult so the amount needed to kill them is less. As to the taste, toddlers are poisoned from eating cigarette butts, drinking cleaning fluid, swallowing hair relaxer, and sipping gasoline. All of which must taste worse that your bottle of Unicorn Piss e-juice. Kids, especially toddlers, put all kinds of crap in their mouths.

Politically we must assume that the reported cause of death is accurate until more information comes out. (If you have more information, please let me know). However, I will not wait until it comes out. I will give them that this tragedy is a direct cause of parental negligence and toxicity caused by unflavored industrial strength liquid nicotine. That said, there are 400+ infants that die each year as a direct cause from smoking. We are spending way too much time talking about this one tragedy. Since this child's death, 600 other infants have died from their parents smoking. Let's start talking about those deaths.

 

[ENAUD]

Ugg! This is where I feel like I'm banging my head against a wall. I did not read the toxicology report. I did not read the autopsy report. I do not know what pre-existing conditions this child had. All I read was the most recent news article attributing the death to unflavored 100mg liquid nicotine with no tamper proof cap (even if there was a cap). This was a toddler, not an adult so the amount needed to kill them is less. As to the taste, toddlers are poisoned from eating cigarette butts, drinking cleaning fluid, swallowing hair relaxer, and sipping gasoline. All of which must taste worse that your bottle of Unicorn Piss e-juice. Kids, especially toddlers, put all kinds of crap in their mouths.

Politically we must assume that the reported cause of death is accurate until more information comes out. (If you have more information, please let me know). However, I will not wait until it comes out. I will give them that this tragedy is a direct cause of parental negligence and toxicity caused by unflavored industrial strength liquid nicotine. That said, there are 400+ infants that die each year as a direct cause from smoking. We are spending way too much time talking about this one tragedy. Since this child's death, 600 other infants have died from their parents smoking. Let's start talking about those deaths.

That right there sums up the dis-connect. Vaping is claimed to be 95% safer than smoking. Parents who are vaping around their lil' rug rats will be exposing them to far safer emisions than the parents who are smoking around their chilluns. If anyone really cares about the kids, they should be promoting vaping as a safer alternative for their parents, rather than regulating it out of existence. I guess you get the picture, but how to get the message out in such a convincing way that anyone opposing it would seem cold hearted and downright cruel. Sound like an uphill battle for a worthy cause?

 

[nicnik]

there are 400+ infants that die each year as a direct cause from smoking

I doubt that ANTZ talking point of 400+infants, is any more accurate than this other common ANTZ talking point in the same article:

No level of secondhand smoke (SHS) exposure is safe

So, shut up, toxicologists! Just because it's your field of expertice, doesn't mean ANTZ can't have their own facts!

NO, it's NOT the dose that makes the poison. When it comes to science, Public Health has VETO POWER!