I Overdosed - plus Propylene Glycol in the UK

[TropicalBob]

Thanks Rachel. I will continue glycerine experiments. I wanted to make absolutely sure no one around me was getting a cold. The last time I smoked it all day in an experiment, I got a sore throat and headache. But I couldn't be sure those weren't caused by something else besides e-smoking. If glycerine has consequences, I need to be well to detect them.

The vapor output was fine, as you say. I think it might have been better than PG, in fact. I'll be trying again.

P S. I have TWO gold stars somewhere around here. Gimme a minute ...

 

[dnakr]

TB,

Not saying that you shouldn't try the cigar humidification solution - I would think if anyone could find the proper ratio, it would be you...

I was going by Dr. Jim's ratio of 2:8 for self extract, and am assuming the reason for lower smoke vapor is because there is to much water added to the humidifiation solution. Am I right?

Find those gold stars if I am...

 

[TropicalBob]

A likely 'yes' on too much water. Since I start with cooked tobacco-flavored water, I surely wouldn't want to add much more water. I'm using the same ratio as Dr. Loi suggested: 20% flavor solution and 80% glycerine. When I add extracts, I use the dropper for about 6 or 8 drops. It imparts a bit more taste than the commercial equivilent (vanilla vs. vanilla, eg).

 

[dnakr]

Thanks...

 

[silvertop]

Hi,

There maybe a way to thin down the cigar humidification solution and take some of the water out. Does anyone know what the boiling point of PG is ?

St.

 

[silvertop]

PG boils at 188.2 °C - so just let the water in the cigar solution evaporate. Alternatively it freezes at -59°c, so pop some of the solution in a clear plastic bag and freeze it. Take out some of the water ice to change the ratio.

 

[TropicalBob]

Ooooo. Most ingenious. You reckon I could put a cup of pipe tobacco in a small pot and cover it with the cigar humidor fluid, then boil for a short time at 370F and simmer for an hour or two? The final liquid might need nothing further than a select flavor addition.

 

[silvertop]

Ooooo. Most ingenious. You reckon I could put a cup of pipe tobacco in a small pot and cover it with the cigar humidor fluid, then boil for a short time at 370F and simmer for an hour or two? The final liquid might need nothing further than a select flavor addition.

No need to go that high, it's some of the water you want to boil off. Just boil over 212F but under 370F

It's just an idea - I'm not a chemist.

St.

 

[TropicalBob]

Me either, but it seems the liquid could first be boiled for awhile, to evaporate some water, then the pipe tobacco could be added and heat lowered to simmer, cooking the final liquid for an hour or two. If I find that stuff, I'll do some testing.

 

[karenwest1961]

I just wanna go on record to say that I'm glad y'all are the DIY e-liq guinea pigs. Let me know when y'all got it right!

 

[dnakr]

Thanks Silvertop - see I knew somebody would have the solution... Guess I am going to have to try it and see what happens. TB, I am going to attempt to try it the way you just posted and I think I will also try to freeze some - just to see.

 

[TropicalBob]

Cool! I just got back from local tobacco store and they didn't have any of that liquid. They now sell some crystals for control of humidity in cigar boxes. Harumph! Post back on how it turns out. Thanks for trying.

 

[katink]

Probably a silly question (it's late late at night here, so probably daft...): but why aren't you guys buying and using pure PG (mucho cheaper then humidifier); and if you want to have it watered down, then boil some water and add it? Plus, if going the route of simmering tobacco and wanting to put that in: I don't see putting PG or part-PG through a cloth or paper-filter that is fine enough to stop any solid tobacco-particles from going through as easy (if even possible) either?
Again, probably just being daft; but I would like to understand the plus to what you are discussing, and I don't ?

 

[NerdyCinderella]

Again, probably just being daft; but I would like to understand the plus to what you are discussing, and I don't ?

Money, no?

 

[katink]

A LITRE of pure PG will be around 10 dollar if that (I pay 5 euro per litre)... and 0.25 litre of humidifier (of which half is water, so in fact only 0.125 litre PG) is almost 4 british pounds?

 

[NerdyCinderella]

A LITRE of pure PG will be around 10 dollar if that (I pay 5 euro per litre)... and 0.25 litre of humidifier (of which half is water, so in fact only 0.125 litre PG) is almost 4 british pounds?

Sorry katink,
I think I was just misunderstanding everything. I thought you were questioning why people are making their own eliquid.

 

[katink]

Haha hardly Cinderella; I'm busy doing that myself a lot; and indeed: money is a big factor for doing so.
Thanks just the same for thinking along though; I must have been unclear with what I was saying

 

[TropicalBob]

Katink: I too misread it at first and pounded out a long, detailed reply on the fun, purity, legality, safety, availability, etc., before I realized what you were really asking. Heck, I'm using glycerine only because it was available locally and I can't find PG in my town.

The misunderstood question would take realms of space to answer ... and I know you've been around long enough to at least sense what could lie ahead. Declare Independence Day!