Just not sure if I should, lol I know it'd be kiss bass! Where can I get a good one for the best price? I'm already going crazy with juice and all the money I've saved not smoking. 
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I bought mine here~> VA Variable Volt Mod for $59.99 + $3 1st class shipping..it's a 2 battery kit with 2-3ohm atomizers and a charger..I ordered it late on a Friday evening and had a tracking number that night..it was sent out on Saturday morning and I received it Monday (I live closer to that shop so it probably would take longer to Idaho)..it was packaged well also. I'm very happy with my purchase and I thought it is a decent price. They are a registered forum supplier too VaporAlley.
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Apolloecigs.com has them also for $59.99 with free shipping and a one year warranty.
They also have a 30 day return policy, something I've not seen elsewhere.
They have some colors in stock right now, which is kind of unusual.
Of course, it includes a charger. A drip tip and 3ohm atty is included as well as a nice case.
I only has one battery, but the standard batteries you get with these aren't all that great anyway. They're o.k., but not good enough to be a deal breaker. Apollo does send a very nice eGo type case.
If that's something that might come in handy for you, it's worth at least as much as any of the generic batteries that always seem to come with these things.
Put $10 aside and get a good quality AW or Panasonic battery.
They call theirs the V-Tube. I got mine 3 days, CA to FL, after I ordered it, so shipping is fast.
They also have a 30 day return policy, something I've not seen elsewhere.
They have some colors in stock right now, which is kind of unusual.
Of course, it includes a charger. A drip tip and 3ohm atty is included as well as a nice case.
I only has one battery, but the standard batteries you get with these aren't all that great anyway. They're o.k., but not good enough to be a deal breaker. Apollo does send a very nice eGo type case.
If that's something that might come in handy for you, it's worth at least as much as any of the generic batteries that always seem to come with these things.
Put $10 aside and get a good quality AW or Panasonic battery.
They call theirs the V-Tube. I got mine 3 days, CA to FL, after I ordered it, so shipping is fast.
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Most likely the batteries that come with the VA Variable Volt Mod and the battery that comes with the Apollo kit are Sanyo 18650..they seem to do pretty good so far and Sanyo makes decent batteries.
I'm sure the Panasonic's and AW's that are 2000mAh or higher are better but so far I'm happy also read a lot of others are pretty happy with the batteries that come in the kits. I thought about just getting the device and buying the charger/batteries separately but it would have cost more. I could also buy better batteries later but think most likely by the time these die the device will probably be beat up and time for a new one. I think the batteries that came with my kit will probably last a year.
So far 1 battery is lasting a whole day with some pretty heavy use and if they are like other lithium-ion e cig batteries I have they will probably get a little better after a few charges kind of like a break in period..they should last at least 400-500 charges too..so I think the batteries might even outlive the device..in any case if the device and batteries last me a year I'll be very happy..I'm sure it will last more than a year unless I drop it or something but after a year it probably will look pretty beat up even with careful use.
I thought about buying from Apollo as I searched and like there warranty but I figure if I don't kill my device within the warranty it will probably last me awhile. I weighed warranty vs have 2-attomizers and 2 batteries and figured I would be happier with 2 over the longer warranty for the price. I also choose the supplier I did because they are small and have a decent price. Either place would be a decent deal and after having my device a couple days I might buy another in a couple months and if I do I might buy a stainless steel one from Apollo if I don't find a better deal on it somewhere else.
Yeah, I just saw a pic of the stainless one. Makes me hope mine breaks down and I can get a store credit toward a SS one. With my luck they'll be out of stock all the time though.
I've had no complaints about the stock batteries either. I bought a spare though, for like $9 or something. That was before I found the deal for the Panasonics for $10 shipped. As decent as the spare is, I wish I had spent the extra $1 for the Panny. The increase from 1600 to 2200mah is pretty significant. I vape heavily and if I'm only using the LT, I swap batteries at about 3.7 or 3.8V That gets me about 10-12 hours or so. With 2200, it would be all day. Recharging at 3.8 will extend the battery life a lot I think. Unlike a Nicad, for example, a Lithium only counts full cycles. A recharge at 3.8V counts less than 1/2 a cycle.
I'm considering spring $10 for a 3 year Squaretrade warranty. You can get coverage for accidental damage for $6 more.
So, if I drop it in a swimming pool, I can get my money back and get the SS model. LOL.
Usually, I'd agree that most electronic stuff dies pretty soon or lives forever. With these, though, the switch is the Achilles heel. This is not the caliber of switch that the Silver Bullet has, one that will last a million cycles. I can almost guarantee that if a LT lasts more than a month, when it breaks down, it'll be the switch.
Either deal is pretty good. Just depends on what's important to you. I really like the case Apollo sent. It might be worthless to someone else. If I'd have gotten the better spare battery, I'd have had the optimum combo for me for $70 shipped. Except not Stls Stl.
I've had no complaints about the stock batteries either. I bought a spare though, for like $9 or something. That was before I found the deal for the Panasonics for $10 shipped. As decent as the spare is, I wish I had spent the extra $1 for the Panny. The increase from 1600 to 2200mah is pretty significant. I vape heavily and if I'm only using the LT, I swap batteries at about 3.7 or 3.8V That gets me about 10-12 hours or so. With 2200, it would be all day. Recharging at 3.8 will extend the battery life a lot I think. Unlike a Nicad, for example, a Lithium only counts full cycles. A recharge at 3.8V counts less than 1/2 a cycle.
I'm considering spring $10 for a 3 year Squaretrade warranty. You can get coverage for accidental damage for $6 more.
So, if I drop it in a swimming pool, I can get my money back and get the SS model. LOL.
Usually, I'd agree that most electronic stuff dies pretty soon or lives forever. With these, though, the switch is the Achilles heel. This is not the caliber of switch that the Silver Bullet has, one that will last a million cycles. I can almost guarantee that if a LT lasts more than a month, when it breaks down, it'll be the switch.
Either deal is pretty good. Just depends on what's important to you. I really like the case Apollo sent. It might be worthless to someone else. If I'd have gotten the better spare battery, I'd have had the optimum combo for me for $70 shipped. Except not Stls Stl.
im a noob but after eading all these posts on batteries, no matter how cheap the kit is, i would still not use those batts unless it is protected... honestly my lavatube has brought down my "AW IMR 18650 1600mah battery to 3.0v....
im not a genious nor do i have a lot of knowledge on these things but iam definately not stupid!!!! Who knows what could of happen if i was using a unprotected batt right...
i bought my kit @ a $104 shipped from volcanoecigs.com, is it cheap? no!!! but its not about the money i spent its the safety features that everyone is talking about... im sure the others hace the pcb in them..
it is good to find the cheapest price but like i said i would still buy protected batts.
this is my noob opinion!!!
im not a genious nor do i have a lot of knowledge on these things but iam definately not stupid!!!! Who knows what could of happen if i was using a unprotected batt right...
i bought my kit @ a $104 shipped from volcanoecigs.com, is it cheap? no!!! but its not about the money i spent its the safety features that everyone is talking about... im sure the others hace the pcb in them..
it is good to find the cheapest price but like i said i would still buy protected batts.
this is my noob opinion!!!
I've only let my one battery run down 1x so far and when it hit 3.3v the screen on my VV flashed..it was still working but it was telling my battery was going to die or it was low..who knows it might continue to work with the screen flashing until it reaches 3v. Also I didn't put a meter on the battery but next time I will to make sure it's around 3.3v like it says.
BTW 3v isn't discharging too low as from what I can find it seems IMR's might be safe to discharge to 2.5v but at the very least discharge to 2.9v should be safe with any lithium-ion battery..they probably are being overcautious when they set the screen on my VV to flash at 3.3v.
heres exactly what happened. so i usually check to see what volt my batt is at after about 5 hours into the day, but today i didnt for some reason. i did check it and it read 3.5v. i siad oh well and continued ,i didnt notice any flash because i didnt look... what really got me thinking is that when i took my last hit, i noticed that i was getting vapor then cool air then vapor then cool air. i exhaled and said wtf!!! thats when i checked and maybe that was the device flash point.. idk, but im sure i wont let it run down that far again lol.. it was a long day
If you look at the specs of the PCB protected ***fire batteries, the lv cutoff is 2.75V
At 3.0 to 3.3V, the only real risk you're taking is reducing battery longevity.
Personally, I swap them out at 3.7-3.8V so I've never seen the screen flash.
I'm not sure what you mean though. The AW's you got ARE unprotected.
The Lavatube doesn't accept protected batteries.
Nobody elses LT kits have protected batteries in them either, cuz they physically won't fit.
Everyone ships these with either AW or generic IMR batteries.
Protected batteries are too long to fit into the tube. The PCB makes them too long.
I know exactly what would have happened if you had let your LT bring your batt down to 3V and it was unprotected.
The same thing that happened, nothing. Because it's an IMR unprotected battery.
If it was an unprotected Lithium Ion battery, nothing would happen either. Not at 3.0V
So, it sounds like you paid $104 so that maybe you got bonafide AW unprotected batteries, instead of the generics that ship with other kits. But you might have saved some shipping cost, since you're in Hawaii. Congrats.
IMO, a couple AW's aren't worth the extra $40 though.
Especially when you can get the superior 2250mah Panasonics as low as $7.99 ea.
My generic 1600mah IMRs are doing fine, but when I need replacements, I'll try the Pannys.
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If you join the chat at Volcano on Wednesdays, they give out a coupon code for 15% off. They have a permanent code for 10% off for new buyers. That brings the price down to $85. They have a solid reputation and a one year warranty. Couple that with the authentic aw's and a trustfire charger. And they have free fed-ex if your order is over $100.
Volcano isn't the best deal, but it's not that bad. Plus I got the limited-edition red/magenta/pink one. lol
Volcano isn't the best deal, but it's not that bad. Plus I got the limited-edition red/magenta/pink one. lol
thanks for breaking it down and making me feel dumb!!!
if you read my first three words, wait go read it again!!!
Oh it said "IM A NOOB" so it wouldnt matter what i said... i could of wrote a whole book and not make any sense, why? because i am a noob!
how bout the way i closed the post thread... i dont know if youre correcting me or trying to bring me down? either way im still a noob.
now that i read it again you are being a smarty pants!!!!
Hey, sorry. It's late and sometimes my fingers work faster than my brain.
Didn't mean to be a smarty pants.
Well, maybe the Congrats part. That's just cuz I'm jealous that you're in Hawaii and I'm not.
Really though, you did o.k. I'm pretty sure you got the only kit with real AW batteries.
I paid $10 for an extra generic IMR before I found those Panasonics.
Then I found out I could get the same battery for $3.50
The main point I wanted to make was not to worry about 3V.
It's best for the battery to charge earlier, but it's not in the danger zone.
Anyhow, for a noob you could've done a lot worse.
Volcanos a good vendor and with the LT, you might need it.
You also could be in $200 for a Blu like a lot of noobs are.
Think about that one.
Just so you know in the future.
Regular lithium-Ion(LI) and Lithium-Cobalt (ICR) batteries need that PCB protection.
Lithium IMR batts, like the AW and the Panasonic don't need it because of the chemistry.
They're considered inherently safe. They're LiMn Lithium Manganese.
Technically, the panasonic isn't LiMn. It has some other stuff too, but it's still "safe"
They won't flame out and explode. But they will get very hot if they're shorted.
Didn't mean to be a smarty pants.
Well, maybe the Congrats part. That's just cuz I'm jealous that you're in Hawaii and I'm not.
Really though, you did o.k. I'm pretty sure you got the only kit with real AW batteries.
I paid $10 for an extra generic IMR before I found those Panasonics.
Then I found out I could get the same battery for $3.50
The main point I wanted to make was not to worry about 3V.
It's best for the battery to charge earlier, but it's not in the danger zone.
Anyhow, for a noob you could've done a lot worse.
Volcanos a good vendor and with the LT, you might need it.
You also could be in $200 for a Blu like a lot of noobs are.
Think about that one.
Just so you know in the future.
Regular lithium-Ion(LI) and Lithium-Cobalt (ICR) batteries need that PCB protection.
Lithium IMR batts, like the AW and the Panasonic don't need it because of the chemistry.
They're considered inherently safe. They're LiMn Lithium Manganese.
Technically, the panasonic isn't LiMn. It has some other stuff too, but it's still "safe"
They won't flame out and explode. But they will get very hot if they're shorted.
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Its all good... Lmao.. I was actually expecting to see you going off lol.
I learn new stuff on ecf everyday, and I found out that if I just post what I think is right either I'm going to look stupid and learn or I'm just going to get corrected. I thought aw's were protected lol...
Now I know where I got mixed up, I really meant I would only use a high drain battery instead of me saying protected.. Does that sound right? Lol..
Aloha kane'
I learn new stuff on ecf everyday, and I found out that if I just post what I think is right either I'm going to look stupid and learn or I'm just going to get corrected. I thought aw's were protected lol...
Now I know where I got mixed up, I really meant I would only use a high drain battery instead of me saying protected.. Does that sound right? Lol..
Aloha kane'
Yep, that's right. IMRs and the Panasonic are both "High Drain". They're rated for 10 Amps max. continuous discharge.
With e-cigs, we rarely use them at more than 3-4A. Lavatube is limited to 2.5A, so they don't break a sweat.
For practical purposes, a Li-Ion or ICR can be high drain as well, but most aren't.
Noobs are lucky. They can say anything stupid and it's cool.
If I say something stupid, I feel terrible and I have to try to find my post and fix it.
Maybe I should re-register and be a noob again.
It would be liberating.
With e-cigs, we rarely use them at more than 3-4A. Lavatube is limited to 2.5A, so they don't break a sweat.
For practical purposes, a Li-Ion or ICR can be high drain as well, but most aren't.
Noobs are lucky. They can say anything stupid and it's cool.
If I say something stupid, I feel terrible and I have to try to find my post and fix it.
Maybe I should re-register and be a noob again.
It would be liberating.
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Yep, that's right. IMRs and the Panasonic are both "High Drain". They're rated for 10 Amps max. continuous discharge.
With e-cigs, we rarely use them at more than 3-4A. Lavatube is limited to 2.5A, so they don't break a sweat.
For practical purposes, a Li-Ion or ICR can be high drain as well, but most aren't.
Noobs are lucky. They can say anything stupid and it's cool.
If I say something stupid, I feel terrible and I have to try to find my post and fix it.
Maybe I should re-register and be a noob again.
It would be liberating.
lmao so true, but me saying im a noob isnt a excuse...lol..
i heard of those panasonics , but the website i was told to go to always O.O.S...
and i also heard the Aw are shrinked over a panasonic> is this ture i dont know, but most people that pm me about this panasonic are saying they are better than the AW's????
could you give me your input on this?
Yep, that's right. IMRs and the Panasonic are both "High Drain". They're rated for 10 Amps max. continuous discharge.
With e-cigs, we rarely use them at more than 3-4A. Lavatube is limited to 2.5A, so they don't break a sweat.
For practical purposes, a Li-Ion or ICR can be high drain as well, but most aren't.
Noobs are lucky. They can say anything stupid and it's cool.
If I say something stupid, I feel terrible and I have to try to find my post and fix it.
Maybe I should re-register and be a noob again.
It would be liberating.
hey sailor this will tickle your feet this is the email i had got from volcano e cigs
"Aloha Brad,
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Thank you for contacting us. The AW IMR 18650 high drain batteries that we sell are protected batteries.
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If you have any further questions or concerns please feel free to contact us
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Thank you
Shadow Rhelm
Customer Service Manager
With best regards,
Customer Service"
somebody isnt telling the truth here!!!
The place with the best prices on the panasonics is always oos. I wonder why?
You can get them for $9.99 at orbtronic.com including shipping, but I don't know if to Hawaii
AW gets their batteries from whatever manufacturer that can supply them. Then, they grade them. They come from Pansonic sometimes Sanyo sometimes. There are really very few big battery manufacturers in the world.
BTW, AW stands for Andy Wang. He was just some flashlight fanatic on candle Power forums who started selling batteries there and built a huge company out of it.
I think the Panasonics are definitely better than the AWs.
There's a whole thread in this forum about them with graphs, tests and videos.
AW better sit up and take notice. There's a new kid on the block.
You know what it is? Technically, he isn't lying. He would say that they are "internally protected" or "protected by their chemistry" or something like that. He just doesn't want to have to try to explain how they are just as safe as a "protected" battery. If someone didn't know better and he told them they weren't protected, then he'd either have to explain the whole situation or they'd get all freaked out.
Salesman Speak it all it is.
i googled and nothing, i searched mutiple sights and came up short, maybe contact one of the websites???
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