I vape all day on 36mg but I've noted some vendors won't sell it, WHY?

[juicefreak]

I've seen far too many new vapers quit ecigs because low nic was recommended. It took 36mg for me to quit cigarettes. For a pack and half smoker, they should have some 36mg to rotate for regular use. You can add one drop of 36mg to an atomizer, 3-4 to an rba, whatever tank you use, and the rest add a lower nic juice. That 36 will satisfy the cigarette craving quicker than 12 nic for sure. I keep 36mg of unflavored nic on my side table for that reason.

Having vaped 4 yrs in june, i now DIY most of my juice and it's anywhere from 18 to 6mg. I vary it throughout the day in the same way a stressed smoker is going to hit that cigarette hard and fast, and at more relaxing times just hit it a few x. at times i do vape 36mg straight. not often, but it's there if i need it


The first sign of too much nic is nausea, so as long as a new vaper is educated on how to self dose nicotine properly, there isn't a problem, unless they 'do things their own way" regardless ;-)

The only problems i have ever had with nic juice making me sick is commercial flavored juice. The quality control is a problem from batch to batch for them, so i choose to make my own.

for anyone that needs 36mg, you can get it at rtsvapes.com. google coupon codes. they run frequent sales. it is high quality juice made in the USA not china. Their website is down at the moment, but 250ml of 36 nic usually goes for about $18 and shipping is reasonable.

to the person that said many vapers are chasing the throat hit so they up the nic = spot on! adding a little PGA or pure vodka to it will fix them right up ;-)

 

[Thompson]

ECBlends offers 36mg (or they did) but they recommend it for cutting liquid with too low nic content.

 

[juicefreak]

health cabin used to offer 36mg of their HC Ry4. Now they only offer 26mg as the highest. The flavor at 26mg is totally off and pretty flavorless. That's another reason many ppl vape 36mg. it can effect the flavor definitely ;-)

 

[subversive]

I use 100% PG and strong menthol in addition to high nic, so while I am a TH junkie, I'm definitely not chasing it at the moment. I can get TH at less nic than I am using now with that mix.

 

[markfm]

It varies from person to person. From the very little hard data I've run into, best guess is we absorb somewhere around 1/5 - 1/6 the nicotine in eliquid, with differences coming in based on experience (inhalation technique) and equipment (e.g., high voltage/variable voltage vs. stock voltage with standard resistance).

Assume the value is 1/6. That means each ml of 36 mg/ml yields 6 mg of absorbed nicotine. That is equivalent to 6 standard full strength cigarettes at 1 mg/cigarette. Cig nicotine is the nominal absorbed value, the raw tobacco content is significantly higher. If you smoked pall mall unfiltered, those cigs run 1.7 mg/cig, though if you don't smoke them all the way down you get less nic/cig.

If you vape 6 ml/day, 36 mg/ml, then we're looking at the equivalent of about 36 standard cigarettes, or just a little over a pack of Pall Malls.

Assuming a 1/5 absorption, that's equivalent to a little over 2 PAD of regulars, or 1-1/4 PAD of Pall Malls. Even if the absorption was a full 30%, which I haven't seen indicated, you would be absorbing the equivalent of no more than 3 PAD (2 PAD of Pall Malls) of nicotine.

Net, yes, I could easily see why some people vape 36 mg/ml. It's not for everyone, or even for most, but certainly within the realm of reason. When we vape we're not getting the effects of CO (fast rush from, basically, oxygen starvation), the general crud of cigs (including the large amounts of really bad TSNAs), or the MAOI (which extend the effects of the nicotine we do absorb). We're detoxing from a lot of garbage that isn't being inhaled when vaping -- allowing the use of a nic level that is at least comparable to what a heavier smoker gets doesn't hurt my head, if it's what's needed.

 

[flintlock62]

I do think that flavor has relationship to how much flavoring is added. Nicotine strength increases TH. I could be wrong, but I DIY, and when I want more flavor, I add more flavoring. If I want more nicotine, I add more nicotine. I started at 24 mg, but now I'm at 18 mg. Nicotine by itself is flavorless, or almost flavorless.

I stated before, I'm not my brother's keeper.

health cabin used to offer 36mg of their HC Ry4. Now they only offer 26mg as the highest. The flavor at 26mg is totally off and pretty flavorless. That's another reason many ppl vape 36mg. it can effect the flavor definitely ;-)

 

[Thompson]

Wouldn't holding in the vapor for longer theoretically increase the absorption? Like the other thing AKA Voldemort.

 

[markfm]

Uptake from vaping is supposed to be less in the lungs, more in the nose, throat, mouth.

A long, slow, exhale might increase it, just a guess.

 

[SupplyDaddy]

It simply comes down to Cost. $$$$$ It's cheaper to make a 24mg batch than a 36mg batch. The DIYers know this, as we know how much more our higher nic purchases are verses the lower nic costs. Some places will only sell 18 and lower mg nic juice since that gives them a profit margin to work with.

And everyone experiences the nicotine differently. I'm fine with 36mg all day long, my wife can't handle above 12mg.

 

[MagicMike]

Howdy Everyone,

Thank you for all the information, when I run out of 36mg I'll drop down to 24mg. I purchased a bottle of 24mg and I don't really notice a big difference either way so it seems best if I drop down since I tend to vape a lot when I'm watching sports and drinking beer

Thanks again for all the posts it's much appreciated!

MM

 

[samazon]

It simply comes down to Cost. $$$$$ It's cheaper to make a 24mg batch than a 36mg batch. The DIYers know this, as we know how much more our higher nic purchases are verses the lower nic costs. Some places will only sell 18 and lower mg nic juice since that gives them a profit margin to work with.

And everyone experiences the nicotine differently. I'm fine with 36mg all day long, my wife can't handle above 12mg.

I regularly vape 6mg, and can't handle above 12mg, either, SD - I find flavors are nicer with low nic as well.

 

[skoot]

I couldn't quit on 18 at all. I got a bottle of 36 and hit it straight when I had cravings. 24 is OK now, two weeks into it. I'm finding my body is learning to absorb it better, which isn't surprising as every cell is screaming for nicotine.

 

[zapped]

Most people don't even use 24 mg strength. I believe 18 mg is average. FDA has nothing to do with it because hardly anyone offered 36 mg even before the FDA scare.

That wasnt true in 2009 back when I started, almost all vendors carried 36mg. It probably has more to do with supply and demand than anything else.

 

[Bosco]

Been vaping a lot .. well, about 15 strong puffs every 2 to 4 hours. Pretty much like I used to smoke analogs, a cig every 2 to 4 hours. Bought eLiquid from a "not so popular" merchant. The bottle was pretty cheap 35 ml for $10.90 Camel flavor. Gotta avoid cheap eLiquids lol and go for quality stuff

I wouldn't consider that a lot. When I first started vaping, I used 36mg and I was, like you, taking a few good puffs and then putting the pv down for a while.

I started vaping more frequently, though .. pretty much chain-vaping . .and so I lowered my strength to 12mg. I've been at 12 for about a month and now am starting to feel like I want to go up to 18 because I am vaping almost constantly.

It also depends on your device . .an njoy king bold is 45mg . . .but it produces less vapor than an APV.

I don't think there's any danger in vaping 36mg. I have gotten a bit nic sick while vaping . .but I also got nic sick plenty when chain smoking. Nicotine through inhalation is self limiting, unless you're vaping enough to kill you in 1 or 2 puffs . .you're going to put it down before you poison yourself.

I have not heard of anybody getting really sick or killed by actually vaping. Not to say I have heard every story there is .. but it's at least extremely rare.

 

[Faylool]

I think it's a safe zone24mg and it would be negative to have people making themselves dizzy and nauseated from vaping too high a nic. I'm with you. I could chain vape 24 mg and never feel "done" but lots of people are not that way. In act I think high nic vaper ears are in the minority and it always surprises me. It's actually pretty fast getting over the physical need for nicotine...2 days-ish. So it's just become a standard in an effort be more politically safe. Safe zone. Most the rest after two days of 0 nic is psychological which is huge. Not saying its easy. Then the people who experience anxiety beyond the norm getting off cigs...finding they need a lot of the other stuff...the whole WTA thing. Njoy had ther bold set at 45 mg, thus the throat hit ( which I found harsh and unpleasant. I never chain vape 36 mg. But you are right. For a lot of people 24 mg just doesn't cut it but I think for most it does. So far as I have read in all the posts here and ejuice for sales classiest and pay it forwards. They really should supply 36 but it just doesn't move like the lessor nic content liquids.

Here locally in Orlando, FL we have a great selection of dealers which are all mostly a 1/2 hour drive from me. However I've been in a couple of dealers that don't stock over 24mg, while I vape all day on 36mg.

Do you think they are trying to be a step ahead of pending laws or do some folks actually get a buzz from the higher nic content?

I was in a retail store in downtown Orlando and heard their sales representative recommend 12mg juice to a pack and a half a day red smoker? Perhaps they were just setting them up to vape 10ml's a day, but that seems a bit low to me.

Perhaps I offset my nic with too much beer, but crap I don't ever get a buzz from 36mg. Even though some of the gum I've tried to use to quit smoking had my heart racing!

Do the vendors have a real reason not to stock 36mg? Has 36mg eJuice actually caused anyone issues?

MM

 

[XfooYen]

Your body will become accustomed to whatever nic strength you inhale regularly and eventually become dependent on that quantity. 36mg strength is very high concentration, but if you need it to get off of cigs, then so be it. I would urge the OP to lower nic levels sooner rather than later. If you can go a month without a cig using 36mg, then you can most likely go down to 24mg. At first you may feel the need to vape more often. That's fine. You will automatically vape less often after a few weeks. Then try to go down again to 18mg after another month or two. Most companies consider 18mg strength "high" and 24mg "very high". I was a heavy smoker and needed 24mg to quit. I'm 6 months off cigs and now at 12mg. Don't beat yourself up for needing higher doses of nic, but remember that nicotine is not good for the vascular system and irritating to the pulmonary system. In the bigger picture, the lower nic you take, the better.

 

[zapped]

In 2010 there was justified concern about 100mg nicotine being sent through the postal system without proper precautions and packaging .What happens if the package breaks or the bottles leaks and it gets on the hands of a non-smoking postal worker or even worse a child? There was a lot of debate about this at the time.

That might have been the impetus for vendors to remove 36mg nic from their lineups as well, Im not sure since I fell off the wagon shortly thereafter but would explain a lot.

Maybe one of the other long-time vets can chime in on this as now Im curious.

 

[PLANofMAN]

I happen to agree with a lot of the statements. The introduction of Genisis attys sparked a downward trend as more people had to reduce their nicotine intake as their juice consumption increased. Also the less the mg. the more one is likely to vape, which will in turn drive sales. Another point which has not been made is that high nic is generally used intermittently as part of the quitting process. Now that vaping is marketed as an alternative, rather than a method to quit, the need for high dosage has decreased.

Granted, this is all speculation on my part.

 

[MagicMike]

Howdy All,

I continue to alternate between 24mg and 36mg just depending on which juice was available at the time, I still think it's funny that I never get the jitters or anything, but with patches and especially the nic gum I was feeling it all the time.

I really believe the rate of absorption of eJuice must be 5 to 10 times less than a traditional analog, but that's just my feeling and in no way scientific or anything.

Either way, I'm still analog free since the first of the year!

MM