If they regulate ejuice

[MiamiMom63]

I will get off my iPad and try to find the video interview I saw about the buyout of Blu. I hope I can find that link. It was maybe 2-3 months ago.

 

[MiamiMom63]

Okay, I got off my Ipad which is limited and found the link to the interview on my comp here Lorillard CEO Murray Kessler on Blu Cigs Purchase, Plans - YouTube Please let me know your thoughts. Let me know also if the link doesn't work and I will check again.

 

[MiamiMom63]

After viewing the video awhile ago and seeing what is going on and the upcoming whatever meeting in April, I feel big tobacco will own ecigs. Distribute them, labs to make the juices and distribute them, regulate the hell out of them and tax them. They know it's not going away so they will profit from it. I honestly don't think we will be able to buy liquid nicotine like we do now. However that affects the vendors buying it and the websites, I think it's in the process. You do have to admit for us to be able to have these highly toxic huge bottles of nicotine delivered to our homes is sort of something to wonder about. LOL. It only makes sense. It sucks but that's the deal I see.

 

[zapped]

They can't ban flavors. They can't ban batteries. The can't ban devices. They can't ban nicotine. They can't ban Internet vendors.

Now, they could regulate things to the point that it would put most/all of them out of business, but they can't ban any of it.

What we need is an Economist on our side or at least on the payroll so they can present the FDA with the implications of any changes they propose.

 

[MiamiMom63]

Can you post a link to this.

I am Not Aware of Lorillard selling Blu.

No, in April 2012 Lorillard bought Blu Ecigs out. They didn't sell it, they bought it. Big tobacco bought one of the major ecig companies and did an interview.

 

[bleev]

I can't imagine the federal bureau of alcohol tobacco firearms refraining from getting their restrictive tax stained hands in the business. Their record speaks for itself.

 

[MiamiMom63]

Anyhow, that's the news folks. Gotta follow it and think with the mind of a big tobacco CEO. lol.

 

[Janusxvii]

I am inclined to agree with the belief that Big Tobacco is aiming to take over the electronic cigarette industry. I doubt we will see anything like 4 mg/mL but I wouldn't be surprised of it became next to impossible to acquire concentrated nicotine without going through regulatory hell. I suspect that we will still be able to vape but at a higher overall cost and with Big Tobacco being the primary recipient of our vape budget dollars. I for one don't want to give them (the tobacco companies) another penny of my hard earned money now that I am free from cigarettes. Moreover, heaven only knows what sort of chemicals and other garbage they will decide to put in their juice. I would trust a guy in his garage any day of the week to make my e-liquid over Phillip Morris, R.J. Reynolds, or Lorrilard.

 

[Jman8]

Okay, I got off my Ipad which is limited and found the link to the interview on my comp here Lorillard CEO Murray Kessler on Blu Cigs Purchase, Plans - YouTube Please let me know your thoughts. Let me know also if the link doesn't work and I will check again.

Very good video. Speaks to most of the issues I would've hoped he would address. I like how he spoke directly on the FDA issue and made it clear that FDA is a moderate concern (really not that much at all) while individual State regulation gives him more cause for concern.

The only, minor, thing I didn't like is how he calls 'vaping' by 'smoking' and then see on the Blu eCig site that they use that terminology as well. But that's just a minor thing and perhaps a non-issue for anyone outside of the 'vaping community.'

 

[DaveP]

No, in April 2012 Lorillard bought Blu Ecigs out. They didn't sell it, they bought it. Big tobacco bought one of the major ecig companies and did an interview.

Yep, just last night I saw another Blu commercial that ended with a couple of lines at the bottom of the screen attributing ownership to to Lorillard Technologies, inc. They haven't sold Blu.

This article from 1/8/2013 talks about the future of ecigs and how the only tobacco company that hasn't entered the market is Phillip Morris.

http://business.time.com/2013/01/08/can-electronic-cigarettes-challenge-big-tobacco/

Can Electronic Cigarettes Challenge Big Tobacco?

E-cigarettes, invented in 2003, currently account for less than 1% of the $80 billion U.S. cigarette market. But they are growing rapidly: UBS projects that sales, which have doubled every year since 2008, will reach $1 billion in 2013. Numbers like that have put Big Tobacco on notice. “Consumption of e-cigs may overtake traditional cigarettes in the next decade,” predicts Wells Fargo analyst Bonnie Herzog. “And they’ll only evolve and improve as time goes forward — at far less risk. The technology portion of it is sort of like Apple. This is just Version 1.”

The Birth of the E-Cigarette

If e-cigarettes do start to take significant market share away from traditional cigarette makers, they’ll likely be led by NJOY, which has captured about a third of the e-cigarette market. The company was founded in 2006 by patent lawyer Mark Weiss, who had discovered an electronic cigar while traveling through China the year before. The technology was crude, but Weiss saw a business opportunity. Four years later, his brother Craig, also a patent attorney, took over as CEO.

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Lorillard recently acquired e-cigarette maker Blu, which has an estimated 25% of e-cig market share, according to Wells Fargo’s Herzog. And Reynolds American is currently testing an electronic cigarette called Vuse. The only major tobacco manufacturer that hasn’t made a move is Altria, formerly Philip Morris, the maker of such brands as Marlboro, Parliament and Virginia Slims.

Read more: http://business.time.com/2013/01/08/can-electronic-cigarettes-challenge-big-tobacco/#ixzz2JkMK5u00


Read more: http://business.time.com/2013/01/08/can-electronic-cigarettes-challenge-big-tobacco/#ixzz2JkLllnKE

 

[STVNMR]

It'll be interesting to see what happens. I hope the FDA doesn't make liquids purchasable through prescription-only means as are required for inhalers. Some brands of nicotine patches are available OTC, so e-liquid shouldn't be treated any differently. I'm sure they're worried about fruit flavors appealing to kids, though.

I can't see why they want to make a big fuss about a product that helps people kick the bad habit of smoking analogs whether they use it as an long term alternative or a short term cessation device. More research would be fantastic; more regulations would not.

 

[Aras]

What we need is an Economist on our side or at least on the payroll so they can present the FDA with the implications of any changes they propose.

This is a terrible idea. The economist will point out that the tobacco industry will be making less money and therefore, the FDA will get less pay-offs. Banhammer.

 

[zoiDman]

What keeps coming to my mind is the guy that bought Blu from big tobacco recently. ...

I thought that you were referring to the Sale of Blu to Lorillard but I wanted to make sure. The wording could be taken another ways.

Okay, I got off my Ipad which is limited and found the link to the interview on my comp here Lorillard CEO Murray Kessler on Blu Cigs Purchase, Plans - YouTube Please let me know your thoughts. Let me know also if the link doesn't work and I will check again.

Thank You for posting that Vid. I know that there are some who have not seen it yet and they Should.

My thoughts…

I think what you posted below is Very Much aligned to what I think.

After viewing the video awhile ago and seeing what is going on and the upcoming whatever meeting in April, I feel big tobacco will own ecigs. Distribute them, labs to make the juices and distribute them, regulate the hell out of them and tax them. They know it's not going away so they will profit from it. I honestly don't think we will be able to buy liquid nicotine like we do now. However that affects the vendors buying it and the websites, I think it's in the process. You do have to admit for us to be able to have these highly toxic huge bottles of nicotine delivered to our homes is sort of something to wonder about. LOL. It only makes sense. It sucks but that's the deal I see.

A shift from e-Liquids being made by Anyone and then sold over the Internet to FDA/TTB compliant Companies selling Tax Stamped Prefilled Cartos in a Cigarette style Face to Face manor.

 

[zoiDman]

This is a terrible idea. The economist will point out that the tobacco industry will be making less money and therefore, the FDA will get less pay-offs. Banhammer.

Will they?

If I was directing the Major US Tobacco Trade Organizations, I would be steering the FDA to Restrict the Importation of liquid Nicotine Base.

This shouldn’t be hard seeing that China doesn’t exactly have a Squeaky Clean record when it comes Purity of Imported Consumables.

Also, any Red Blooded US Tobacco Trade Organization is going to do some Severe Flag Waving saying that Chinese Imported Nicotine Base hurts US Tobacco Farmers and that the it also puts a Unnecessary Burden on Customs.

So I think that whatever Profits BT lose in Combustible Tobacco sales will just shift to e-Liquid Nicotine Feedstock.

If done right, BT could Actually come out making More Profits on Nicotine Base than on Combustible Tobacco.

 

[Unc1987]

Last night I was in a very smoky bar and one of my life long friends mentioned how happy she was that I wasn't smoking. I told her I had easily quit and use an ecig. She's a PA, and said that ecigs are great and she has a lot of patients that have quit smoking and use ecigs. I told her the FDA wants to ban them and she freaked out. We have the most corrupt government...

 

[Unc1987]

Will they?

If I was directing the Major US Tobacco Trade Organizations, I would be steering the FDA to Restrict the Importation of liquid Nicotine Base.

This shouldn’t be hard seeing that China doesn’t exactly have a Squeaky Clean record when it comes Purity of Imported Consumables.

Also, any Red Blooded US Tobacco Trade Organization is going to do some Severe Flag Waving saying that Chinese Imported Nicotine Base hurts US Tobacco Farmers and that the it also puts a Unnecessary Burden on Customs.

So I think that whatever Profits BT lose in Combustible Tobacco sales will just shift to e-Liquid Nicotine Feedstock.

If done right, BT could Actually come out making More Profits on Nicotine Base than on Combustible Tobacco.

Guys at this point big tobacco is on out side. Lorillard owns Newport. Rj Reynolds has launched a product in test markets and Phillip Morris, which wrote this anti tobacco law, is doing research and development. They may not like competition and they may stifle it and try to put your local juice shop out of business but they have the money and power to convince the FDA.

 

[supertrunker]

perhaps if i said 4mg of coffee instead....lol

 

[Lilkurty]

Okay, I got off my Ipad which is limited and found the link to the interview on my comp here Lorillard CEO Murray Kessler on Blu Cigs Purchase, Plans - YouTube Please let me know your thoughts. Let me know also if the link doesn't work and I will check again.

Thank you for this!

 

[Lilkurty]

I am new into this but very motivated and don't want to go back to analogs. What do you suggest I purchase now for stock?

 

[zapped]

This is a terrible idea. The economist will point out that the tobacco industry will be making less money and therefore, the FDA will get less pay-offs. Banhammer.

On the surface it may look that way but you mustve missed the part about "on the payroll" then they only present the info we want them to show. Kind of like the FDA's long list of researchers and paid doctors.