If they regulate ejuice

[Unc1987]

What do you think they'll do? I can almost certainly see a ban on Internet vendors, for the sake of America's kids of course (which conveniently makes vaping impossible for many and more burdensome for all). I'm sure they want to ban flavors but seeing how tobacco doesn't taste like a cigarette and depending on the mix can taste like vanilla, it would more be the wording than anything else. What about nic levels?

an interesting comparison about Internet vendors and kids...several years ago some states outlawed shipping wine because it provided minors with access. The Supreme Court overturned this, not sure why...maybe someone here knows and it could be related with shipping nic?

Can they even ban eliquid, seeing as its an "entire category" of tobacco products (as they would have to claim it being tobacco in order to regulate)
http://www.fda.gov/AboutFDA/Transparency/Basics/ucm194450.htm

 

[JudeD]

You still can't ship wine to my state--PA.

 

[Iron Molly]

Well we won't know until they propose something. If they ban flavors I wouldn't like that particularly, but easy enough to work around via DIY. The worry for me is limits on nic in the juice. We all know that absorption is very different via vapor, but if the US goes the way the EU is attempting to, we could be stuck with 4 mg nic juice. I think that won't cut it for most people--I know it sure won't for me. Hardware could go the way of Canada, where it's sold "not for use with nicotine." Because after all, you can vape zero nic liquid.

Regardless of what other regulations are established, I think a most likely result will be taxes, taxes and more taxes, since this fight is all about the money.

 

[gthompson]

They can't ban flavors. They can't ban batteries. The can't ban devices. They can't ban nicotine. They can't ban Internet vendors.

Now, they could regulate things to the point that it would put most/all of them out of business, but they can't ban any of it.

 

[chrisvapo]

a wise man tonce told me ALWAYS follow the MONEY.........especially when dealing with uncle sam.......the vape world will change to blu or diy i think but i highly doubt they can make it go away

 

[gthompson]

Probably the worst thing will be it will make it much harder/less appealing to current smokers thinking about switching.

 

[Saintly1]

At the very least I expect them to make juice containers list the ingredients on the packaging. That may or may not include nutritional information. They did that a few years ago with any product that people ingest/inhale so I don't really see juice as being any different in that aspect. That will raise the cost for the manufacturers and that cost will more than likely be passed to the consumer.

Outside of that we'll have to wait and see I guess.

 

[Unc1987]

The thing about taxes, this will cut the profit for vendors and ultimately put the smaller businesses out of business. We'll still have vendors, just fewer and bigger. Less selection and competition and the prices will continue to rise...

 

[Unc1987]

Well we won't know until they propose something. If they ban flavors I wouldn't like that particularly, but easy enough to work around via DIY. The worry for me is limits on nic in the juice. We all know that absorption is very different via vapor, but if the US goes the way the EU is attempting to, we could be stuck with 4 mg nic juice. I think that won't cut it for most people--I know it sure won't for me. Hardware could go the way of Canada, where it's sold "not for use with nicotine." Because after all, you can vape zero nic liquid.

Regardless of what other regulations are established, I think a most likely result will be taxes, taxes and more taxes, since this fight is all about the money.

Two things about the government. They always somehow know what's better for you than you yourself knows. And two, there's rarely a point when it's not worth it to them. They just keep pursuing and pissing away money....

 

[JudeD]

They can't ban flavors. They can't ban batteries. The can't ban devices. They can't ban nicotine. They can't ban Internet vendors.

Now, they could regulate things to the point that it would put most/all of them out of business, but they can't ban any of it.

I used to believe all this. I don't anymore. I don't think there is any "can't" with our government anymore. Except "can't" get the deficit under control.

Picture this scenario from a couple of years ago--You're reading the NYT and you see an article about how a government official is complaining about how harmful sodas are to our health. You mention it to your spouse and she/he says, "So, what can they do about it? Tell us how much soda we can have?" and you both laugh and go on with your day. Fast forward to today and the current ban on sodas over 32 oz in NYC.

I don't think any of the old rules about what the government can and can't do apply anymore. Just sayin'

 

[gthompson]

That's a regulation limiting the size bottle of soda you can buy. It's not a ban. Although it's a perfect example of the types of things they can and can't do.

 

[JudeD]

That's a regulation limiting the size bottle of soda you can buy. It's not a ban. Although it's a perfect example of the types of things they can and can't do.

I agree that it's not an outright ban, but who would have thought a few years ago that they could even regulate what size bottle of soda you are allowed to buy? That's my point. What used to seem unthinkable in this country is now happening every day, so although I agree that it's unlikely that they will ban devices and likely that any regulations would be on nic juice, I just don't agree that they "can't" do it. Not anymore.

 

[Robino1]

I used to believe all this. I don't anymore. I don't think there is any "can't" with our government anymore. Except "can't" get the deficit under control.

Picture this scenario from a couple of years ago--You're reading the NYT and you see an article about how a government official is complaining about how harmful sodas are to our health. You mention it to your spouse and she/he says, "So, what can they do about it? Tell us how much soda we can have?" and you both laugh and go on with your day. Fast forward to today and the current ban on sodas over 32 oz in NYC.

I don't think any of the old rules about what the government can and can't do apply anymore. Just sayin'

Which is actually laughable since you can buy enough to make up 32oz or more. Is it limited to 2 - 16oz per person or 4 - 8oz per person? So if I really wanted more than 32oz (why I would is beyond me anyway) I could buy 2 - 32oz drinks. Who's to say that I am not buying for someone waiting for me in a car or at home. One of the most ridiculous laws I have ever seen.

That's right up there with suing a fast food company because they made a person fat. Seriously?

 

[Karla Lyle]

My biggest fear is if they ban nicotine. Worst case scenario I can make my own DIY juice as long as I can get my hands on unflavored nic but if they ban nicotine I wouldn't know what to do. as for banning mods I am pretty set there.

 

[Robino1]

There is no way to ban nicotine. They would then have to ban ANYTHING with nicotine in it which would hurt their buddies in the BP industry. A ban on nic would constitute a ban on patches and gum etc. Not to mention cigarettes and they LOVE the income that cigs give them.

Regulate? Yes
Ban? No
Tax? Probably (most likely)

 

[Aras]

There is no way to ban nicotine. They would then have to ban ANYTHING with nicotine in it which would hurt their buddies in the BP industry. A ban on nic would constitute a ban on patches and gum etc. Not to mention cigarettes and they LOVE the income that cigs give them.

Regulate? Yes
Ban? No
Tax? Probably (most likely)

They can ban extracted nicotine that is not certified by the FDA quite easily with out banning tobacco and cigarettes or patches and gum.

 

[Baditude]

I haven't been following this as closely as I probably should. When will the FDA likely make a decision on this?

 

[DC2]

They did the same thing where I live a few years ago.

 

[Unc1987]

They say march/April I believe, meaning sometime within this decade but probably sooner. Banning e liquid would be just plane stupid. One, people would start smoking again and die. Two some would try to make liquid nic for DIY, which can be very dangerous and toxic. This decision will be interesting.

 

[Jman8]

I could see them (TPTB) reading this forum and being like, 'hey we didn't even think about that. Let's try to do that sort of regulation. That's a good idea those vapers came up with!'