If they regulate ejuice
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All they have to do is look at the EU tobacco Product Directive for guidance.
But of course, they are already fully aware of that.
Maybe we should start calling it moonshine now... just to make it interesting.
I'm writing letters and signing petitions and may start posting on 'representatives --haha' facebook pages (more to inform other people because I don't think most rep's visit their own pages) and hoping that all they'll do is regulate the 18 years of age rule and that the ingredients have to be listed. They can even make venders slap a warning on the bottle about the 'known side effects and dangers'. That would be fun.
If there's anyone that hasn't signed the petition... please... do it. It only takes a minute and it still needs about 5,000 signatures. (Which is not bad at all out of needing 25,000 to begin with, but we're running out of time.)
I honestly wonder sometimes if they really do want us using tobacco. It's a horrible thought to think that maybe my own goverment wants me dead.....that may be a little parranoid in thinking lol, but the thought has entered my mind a few times. I mean logically it doesn't make sense that they would want to ban an item that is clearly more healthy than tobacco. Or put such restrictiond on it that would make it pointless to vape, which.then leads me back to tobacco!
Why not ban the real killer here, Phillip and Morris?!
Why not ban the real killer here, Phillip and Morris?!
Who is this "they," exactly?
Extra large sodas were banned by Michael Bloomberg/New York City Board of Health. This doesn't effect anybody outside of NYC.
They really cant ban nicotine but they can regulate the heck out of it.
Nicotine is used in smoke cessation products and is in tobacco products, so that would be banning all smoking items also.
not really cause that would effect patches gum and lozenges and BD are also a good friend to the government
OK you are assuming here that the FDA actually CARES! Which, well, they don't. It's all about the money, and they can do whatever they want, even if it defies logic.
Maybe we should start calling it moonshine now... just to make it interesting.
I'm writing letters and signing petitions and may start posting on 'representatives --haha' facebook pages (more to inform other people because I don't think most rep's visit their own pages) and hoping that all they'll do is regulate the 18 years of age rule and that the ingredients have to be listed. They can even make venders slap a warning on the bottle about the 'known side effects and dangers'. That would be fun.
If there's anyone that hasn't signed the petition... please... do it. It only takes a minute and it still needs about 5,000 signatures. (Which is not bad at all out of needing 25,000 to begin with, but we're running out of time.)
Agreed. I was actually thinking of that earlier. Tobacco shops that sell e liquid in the back...vape easy
If they're owned by colorful mobsters in suits who are amusing and generally harmless to their customers, they play decent music reasonably quietly, and the atmosphere is relaxed, count me in.
I guess the word "Ban" is the Buzz Word of the Day. I prefer "Regulate" myself.
If an e-Liquid is Deemed a "Tobacco Product", then doesn't it fail under the Control of the TTB?
Here is some Detailed Information on just what you Can, and Can Not do with Tobacco Product.
TTB | Tobacco | FAQs
There is also a Host of State Regulations regarding the Sale of Tobacco Products. Check your State Government for more Regulations.
If an e-Liquid is Deemed a "Tobacco Product", then doesn't it fail under the Control of the TTB?
Here is some Detailed Information on just what you Can, and Can Not do with Tobacco Product.
TTB | Tobacco | FAQs
There is also a Host of State Regulations regarding the Sale of Tobacco Products. Check your State Government for more Regulations.
I don't know about any of that, but I do know that the FSPTCA gives the FDA authority to regulate tobacco products.
And Chapter IX of the FSPTCA gives them authority to declare electronic cigarettes to be tobacco products.
And Chapter IX would also give them the authority to regulate nicotine e-liquid by itself.
In fact more so, because it is truly the one thing that is derived from tobacco.
What the EU is proposing is classifying stuff over 4m/ml as a medicine. Which amounts to a temporary ban, in practicality (while companies apply as medicines). Fortunately ruyan is some way through the process of being approved as a medicine here in new zealand via various research, and the research for such applications is somewhat identical, so even in this case, you'd only probably need to wait a year or two.
If anything like this came out, this might be the only reason to stockpile, keep you going for that year or two, avoid the stinkies till ruyan finishes, and you'd most likely get a grace period or warning.
According to the tobacco control act, the FDA does NOT have the power to ban an entire category of tobacco products, cigarettes, cigars etc... They have the power to regulate the product, as well as the amount of nicotine. So, if courts rule the eliquid is a tobacco product, they'll be forced to regulate it.
Is FDA going to ban tobacco?
Here is the provisions of the FSPFCA
Creates a tobacco control center within the FDA and gives the FDA authority to regulate the content, marketing and sale of tobacco products.
Requires tobacco companies and importers to reveal all product ingredients and seek FDA approval for any new tobacco products.
Allows the FDA to change tobacco product content. The ban on flavoring applies to any product meeting the definition of a "cigarette" according to section 3(1) of the Federal Cigarette Labeling and Advertising Act. This includes any tobacco that comes rolled such as cigarettes and cigars, and added to this definition in the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act is any tobacco with the purpose to be rolled such as rolling tobacco.
Calls for new rules to prevent sales except through direct, face-to-face exchanges between a retailer and a consumer.
Limits advertising that could attract young smokers.
Requires cigarette warning labels to cover 50 percent of the front and rear of each pack, with the word warning in capital letters.
Requires FDA approval for the use of expressions such as "light, "mild" or "low" that give the impression that a particular tobacco product poses less of a health risk.[13]
The bill makes no provisions that ban the import of the banned items for personal consumption, only for "sale or distribution". (Division A Title II Section 201)
What they have done so far with this bill in place
FDA achievements on FSPTCA
To summarize some of Food and Drug Administration"s achievements during the brief tenure of the FSPTCA, FDA has:
Established the Center for Tobacco Products;
Established the tobacco user fee program, which provides funding for FDA tobacco regulation support activities;
Begun to enforce the Act’s prohibition on manufacturing, distributing or selling certain flavored cigarettes, such as spice-, fruit-, and candy-flavored cigarettes;
Implemented new statutory authorities, under which tobacco product manufactures have registered their establishments and listed their products with the FDA, provided detailed information about product ingredients and their own research into the health effects of their products;
Convened a Tobacco Products Scientific Advisory Committee, which began to study the impact of the use of menthol in cigarettes on the public health;
Established FDA rules that limit the sale, distribution, and marketing of cigarettes and smokeless tobacco products such as chewing tobacco to protect the health of children and adolescents become legally enforceable;
Issued provisions that prohibit the advertising or labeling of tobacco products with the descriptors “light,” “mild,” or “low” or similar descriptors without an FDA order; and
Required that new, larger health warning labels for smokeless tobacco products
Creates a tobacco control center within the FDA and gives the FDA authority to regulate the content, marketing and sale of tobacco products.
Requires tobacco companies and importers to reveal all product ingredients and seek FDA approval for any new tobacco products.
Allows the FDA to change tobacco product content. The ban on flavoring applies to any product meeting the definition of a "cigarette" according to section 3(1) of the Federal Cigarette Labeling and Advertising Act. This includes any tobacco that comes rolled such as cigarettes and cigars, and added to this definition in the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act is any tobacco with the purpose to be rolled such as rolling tobacco.
Calls for new rules to prevent sales except through direct, face-to-face exchanges between a retailer and a consumer.
Limits advertising that could attract young smokers.
Requires cigarette warning labels to cover 50 percent of the front and rear of each pack, with the word warning in capital letters.
Requires FDA approval for the use of expressions such as "light, "mild" or "low" that give the impression that a particular tobacco product poses less of a health risk.[13]
The bill makes no provisions that ban the import of the banned items for personal consumption, only for "sale or distribution". (Division A Title II Section 201)
What they have done so far with this bill in place
FDA achievements on FSPTCA
To summarize some of Food and Drug Administration"s achievements during the brief tenure of the FSPTCA, FDA has:
Established the Center for Tobacco Products;
Established the tobacco user fee program, which provides funding for FDA tobacco regulation support activities;
Begun to enforce the Act’s prohibition on manufacturing, distributing or selling certain flavored cigarettes, such as spice-, fruit-, and candy-flavored cigarettes;
Implemented new statutory authorities, under which tobacco product manufactures have registered their establishments and listed their products with the FDA, provided detailed information about product ingredients and their own research into the health effects of their products;
Convened a Tobacco Products Scientific Advisory Committee, which began to study the impact of the use of menthol in cigarettes on the public health;
Established FDA rules that limit the sale, distribution, and marketing of cigarettes and smokeless tobacco products such as chewing tobacco to protect the health of children and adolescents become legally enforceable;
Issued provisions that prohibit the advertising or labeling of tobacco products with the descriptors “light,” “mild,” or “low” or similar descriptors without an FDA order; and
Required that new, larger health warning labels for smokeless tobacco products
I believe this is the part that concerns us...
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-111publ31/html/PLAW-111publ31.htm
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-111publ31/html/PLAW-111publ31.htm
I thought that the Courts already ruled that e-Liquids were a Tobacco Product. But that the FDA didn't have Authority to Regulate them because there was no wording to include e-Liquids. So the FDA has changed the wording.
And that is what has everyone's Underwear in a Bunch.
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