If you thought big tobacco moving into the ecig world was good... Read this!

[Ryedan]

Regulation is a good thing so you know what exactly you are vaping. Having your product tested really isn't terribly expensive to justify charging allot more. If the current e juice companies don't sell out and pay attention to what happens they can get a license to produce eliquid and sell for a reasonable price. The profit from eliquid right not is quite a bit use that to get setup when the time comes. Its already banned here but you can still get it anywhere

Appropriate regulation is good, yes. But once governments get into things 'appropriate' could mean totally unreasonable regulation.

BTW, nicotine is neither banned or illegal in Canada. Health Canada likes to tell people it is and Canada Customs has turned back nic juice sometimes, but as far as I know nic juice for vaping is totally legal. Just goes to show you how easy it is to manipulate an industry like vaping.

 

[Mort187]

Now that I an done shuddering at the mere thought, and the link. I am going to have to restrain myself. Tablets cost to damb much, and my mod is brand new. So in the interest of not destroying any thing, I'm finding a sparring partner.

GT-P3113 Pac-rom

 

[StarDose]

Ya all health Canada does is threaten to take away tobacco licenses from smoke shops that try to sell it. They banned it but don't have a punishment for those who sell it, pretty much a fake ban.

As for the crazed mother, it happened down here last year and she went everywhere to push the issue. I couldn't find out if the lawsuit and such even went thru but her words are still everywhere about it. I goto the shop most weekends so didn't seem to do much to stop it this time.

 

[StarDose]

Well if the community sticks together to help the cause and promote the benefits of it rather than the negatives it should help things go in the right direction I would hope. Companies will charge as much as they can for a product to make money. If we can keep it to allow small companies to produce products atleast it shouldn't be too bad I hope. Eventually something will happen but if we can get it to atleast not be as drastic as BT wants it to be we win. I'm getting close to 0 nic so may not affect me but I want other smokers to have the chance to vape without getting ripped off.

 

[jerzi]

The US is a different beast, because you would have BT supporting this movement to regulate it under their control...I could even see them pushing commercials of some Nicced out kid in a dark alley, You really don't know how much Nicotine you have ingested with vaping ejuice.

If BT wants this they will take it, the ecig community doesn't have enough lobbying power, funds or backing to stop any of this from happening at the moment. This is why I'm glad to see CASAA so involved in retaining some lobbying power for a better alternative to smoking.

 

[tddman66]

Regulation is a good thing so you know what exactly you are vaping. Having your product tested really isn't terribly expensive to justify charging allot more. If the current e juice companies don't sell out and pay attention to what happens they can get a license to produce eliquid and sell for a reasonable price. The profit from eliquid right not is quite a bit use that to get setup when the time comes. Its already banned here but you can still get it anywhere

Very foolish to believe that.... Big Tobacco is pushing this.... Yes they care about your health and safety.... I would advise you to wake up to the fact the government regulates nothing for safety.

The FDA does a wonderful job.... I can't figure out what produce is GMO or organic.... Which ear of corn has wasp genes?

Government regulates nothing for your safety. The regulations are for sale to the highest bidder.

 

[tddman66]

If they feel enough of a threat, they will take drastic measures. Ecigs will never be safe as long as they are in the free market.

You appear to have a grip on what is to come. Seeing the writing on the wall I wrote a letter to Wizard labs. I wanted to find out about the half life of NS. I was told if put in a dark (brown) glass bottle and stored in the freezer it would last indefinite. It isn't to hard to store up several years worth. If it thaws along the way big deal just refreeze it.

 

[MonkInsane]

Regulation is a good thing so you know what exactly you are vaping. Having your product tested really isn't terribly expensive to justify charging allot more. If the current e juice companies don't sell out and pay attention to what happens they can get a license to produce eliquid and sell for a reasonable price. The profit from eliquid right not is quite a bit use that to get setup when the time comes. Its already banned here but you can still get it anywhere

In a perfect worl I would agree with you.

But the fact of the matter is that it is BT pushing for this regulation - not because they're concerned for your health and safety, (Since when do BT give a crap about health and safety?) but because it is the first move towards taking over the market.

Once they do, they'll start manipulating the ejuice with chemicals to make it more addictive, just like they do with cigarettes - and boom - we're back to square one.

This regulation has got nothing to do with health and safety, and everything to do with protecting their profits, no matter the cost.

 

[aqrhine]

You appear to have a grip on what is to come. Seeing the writing on the wall I wrote a letter to Wizard labs. I wanted to find out about the half life of NS. I was told if put in a dark (brown) glass bottle and stored in the freezer it would last indefinite. It isn't to hard to store up several years worth. If it thaws along the way big deal just refreeze it.

Let me know what you find out. I was thinking about buying 10+ years worth if I had a way to store it without it "going bad".

 

[jerzi]

You appear to have a grip on what is to come. Seeing the writing on the wall I wrote a letter to Wizard labs. I wanted to find out about the half life of NS. I was told if put in a dark (brown) glass bottle and stored in the freezer it would last indefinite. It isn't to hard to store up several years worth. If it thaws along the way big deal just refreeze it.

Yeah, until they require from all nic distributors a list of any persons/companies who have ordered large amounts of nic. I'm not sure that they would take it that far ,but you never know. I think the better option would to be to support organizations to protect the rights of the ecig community instead of stock piling nicotine in your freezer.

 

[aqrhine]

Yeah, until they require from all nic distributors a list of any persons/companies who have ordered large amounts of nic. I'm not sure that they would take it that far ,but you never know. I think the better option would to be to support organizations to protect the rights of the ecig community instead of stock piling nicotine in your freezer.

I agree but as they say hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

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[wv2win]

Nicotine is used in other things besides eliquid and smoking aids so they couldn't ban every source of nicotine. Even if they ban the liquid the odds of not being able to find sites selling it is highly unlikely. The super high concentrate will always be available which is where the liquid we get originally comes from just cut down allot.

You are confusing nicotine used for other purposes and nicotine that is safe to consume. Second, all they have to do is require costly licenses to obtain nicotine and regulate quantity to match nicotine used for other purposes and the end result will be the same. Thinking the govenment could not keep us from getting nicotine is wishful thinking.

 

[wv2win]

Regulation is a good thing so you know what exactly you are vaping. Having your product tested really isn't terribly expensive to justify charging allot more. If the current e juice companies don't sell out and pay attention to what happens they can get a license to produce eliquid and sell for a reasonable price. The profit from eliquid right not is quite a bit use that to get setup when the time comes. Its already banned here but you can still get it anywhere

I'm not sure where you are located, but here in the US, the current administration already tried once to completely ban vaping. If you think that all they want to do is require testing and nothing else and that vaping would continue as it is today, including buying 24mg nic eliquid in bottles, then I have a bridge in the desert I would like to sell you.

 

[HankPLovecraft]

I'll vape plain non nic non flavored pg or vg (cant ban that) before I vape anything sold by big tobacco. Ive stopped giving them my money after 25 years I'm NOT going back.

 

[zoiDman]

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If BT wants this they will take it, the ecig community doesn't have enough lobbying power, funds or backing to stop any of this from happening at the moment. ...

For someone who is Relatively young jerzi, you have made some Very Astute observations on this thread. Above is One of them.

My only comment would be that perhaps you are speaking to much in the Future Tense. And not seeing that things have Already happened and that the Ramifications just Haven't Been Felt Yet by the Consumer.

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My take on Lorillard's statement.

Seems like a Shot Across the Bow to Retailers. That they should Wake-Up to the Fact that they way they are Currently doing Business and the Products that they are Currently are selling Aren't going to be viable in the Future. And that they should Jump on the Lorillard/Blu bandwagon Now. Or risk being Swept Aside.

"Remember a few years ago the energy drink explosion? Consumers were seeing a flurry of energy drinks with catchy names and funny “tongue in cheek” slogans all vying for a piece of the pie. Now what do you see? At most there are 5 brands that have made the cut. What we are seeing right now is a façade of what the electronic cigarette category actually is. Electronic Cigarettes are affordable, but if produced correctly, with consumers in mind they are not “cheap”. Testing, certifications, safety innovative features and branding cost money, and only a handful of brands out there have long term potential. And even some of those few have many changes to make if they plan to survive the regulations."

Notice how much Emphasis is placed on Justified Higher Prices? And the references to Regulations. Regulations in the Past Tense.

Translation: Your Not going to be able to Sell e-Cigarette Products/e-Liquids with the same Profit Margin that you are Currently enjoying. If At All. And if you want to Survive in a Regulated Market, your best bet is to do it Selling Blu.

 

[Talyon]

Watching, waiting. Vapeing.

 

[bnrkwest]

Stocking up on nic base LOL I never trusted BT, still don't. If I have to I would rather wear a nic patch and vape zero than buy ejuice or ecigs from BT. brnk

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Regulation is a good thing so you know what exactly you are vaping. Having your product tested really isn't terribly expensive to justify charging allot more. If the current e juice companies don't sell out and pay attention to what happens they can get a license to produce eliquid and sell for a reasonable price. The profit from eliquid right not is quite a bit use that to get setup when the time comes. Its already banned here but you can still get it anywhere

Regulation is a good thing so you know what exactly you are vaping.
I've lost count of the many products we consume that have been found to be hazardous to our health. HC and the FDA are financially supported by the various industries. Awhile ago our government was giving their "healthy" stamp of approval/ logo on certain brand names of food. Turns out they were giving this "stamp of approval" to the highest bidder...many of these "approved" foods were not healthy choices as pointed out by most nutritionists.

If the current e juice companies don't sell out and pay attention to what happens they can get a license to produce eliquid and sell for a reasonable price.
Lorillard which owns Blu Ecig has a mkt cap of 16.6 billion and 2.057 billion cash. THEY will dictate what is to be within the regulatory aspect of the vaping world and those regulations will be directly impacted by the words "profits" and "control/ dominance of the industry".

 

[zoiDman]

... Lorillard which owns Blu Ecig has a mkt cap of 16.6 billion and 2.057 billion cash. THEY will dictate what is to be within the regulatory aspect of the vaping world and those regulations will be directly impacted by the words "profits" and "control/ dominance of the industry".

I don't think Lorillard would spend 135 Million to buy Blu with the Hopes that Future regulations will go their way.

No. That is Silly.

They bought Blu because they knew Exactly what the Future Regulations would be/are.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

I don't think Lorillard would spend 135 Million to buy Blu with the Hopes that Future regulations will go their way.

No. That is Silly.

They bought Blu because they knew Exactly what the Future Regulations would be/are.

Agree. In fact they had stated long before these talks began they were having ongoing discussions with the "Various Govt Agencies".