What I suspect is that I'm not wicking the rayon tight enough, especially with a micro coil. I get the post vape sizzle and when I removed the wick after one day, I noticed that the wick was actually burned through in the center.
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Wow jseah, that's gotta be a pretty burny tasting vape after a day. I vary my wicking mostly based on coil type.
Micro/contact coils: Tight
Spaced coils: Tighter
Twisted or Claptons: Very tight.
To get the "very tight" wicking density I actually pull the wick from both ends while sliding it through the coil. Doing that temporarily narrows the wick and keeps the wick from distorting my coils. After sliding the wick through I release the two ends and the wick re-expands and is locked in the coil.
Heavy wicking density brings with it both increased vapor density and flavor in my experience. It also makes my wicking last waaay longer. It's not unusual for me to go 100ml between wick changes with rayon and cleaner juices.
Wow cigatron that looks and sounds great,that's exactly what am after a smooth hit but I just can't get there,am using kendo cotton pads and not rayon,am going to keep trying,thanks a lot for posting that video bud;-)
Cigatron how big of a piece of cotton do you use to get that tight on the pre built coils?
Hi cigatron,the problems am having with both rta and chip coils is that when vaping on them it's just not smooth,not really spitting per say but sputtering or crackling I would say! I have spent sooo much time trying to get it right but fall short every time,am going to go back at it now and try to get the cotton as tight as I can and report back,thanks for your post my friend I would have never thought of wicking that tightly,am hoping it's going to solve my problems,sigh!!
Ok cigatron just a little update,I re wicked the chip coil and the rba as tight as possible and sadly no improvements,it's easier to do on the rba head because as you stated you can pull on the other end as you pull it thru and I really hoped that would fix my issue but it did not it still vapes exactly the same,by that I mean when I hit it,it crackles and it's just not smooth at all,I just don't know what else to try,you're a better man then us cigatron,you should you're handle to the wicking god lol,thanks for trying to help my friend;-)
Crackling!? That's what you want! That sound means that your wicking is fully saturated and the best flavor is produced right there. If I wick an atty and can't get it to crackle during a vape I rewick it straight away. I think you're good to go! You should be able to crank up the power to at least 70w with the afc wide open.
I no longer use cotton. When I did I used Ko Gen Do. I'm strictly I rayon man these days.
A couple of ways to check for heavy wicking density:
1. Wicking drags hard when pulled through the coil.
2. The wraps of the coil move slightly while pulling the wick through (24g and smaller wire). You may not see the wraps move with 22g or larger wire, large gauge twisted or large gauge claptons.
3. Wick does not slide back and forth in the coil easily once pulled through.
4. While wiggling the wick on one side of the coil you should not see the wick move on the other side of the coil.
In my experience all 4 of these wicking density checks help to ensure that I'm going to get a dense flavorful vape.
That said, there are other factors that contribute as well, eg wick tail management. A good example would be the question, "How tight are the wick tails pressed against the juice holes?" Too tight and you're going to restrict air movement into the tank which restricts juice flow; too loose and you're going to flood the coil resulting in a spitty, hot, harsh vape. Too loose will also cause leaking while filling the tank. Same with the rba.
As you know though, words like heavy, tight, light, big, small etc are totally subjective so it becomes near impossible to convey effectively one's experience with "how much" wick to use. Oh, I'll ramble on for hours about it, but the best way to discover the optimal wicking density for a particular wicking medium is good ol' trial and error. Sounds like you're on the right track though.
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No worries about rambling on my friend,the more you right the better it is for me,I know what you mean by crackling sounding good but this is more of a sputter when hitting the tank,it's hard to discribe,I must have watched your video like 10 times and yours sounds much smoother than my tank,my cotton his tight thru the coils and I fluff the tails out as well before tucking them in but nothing seems to help,I might have to just shelf it eventually and it bums me out to fail:-(
I've got the Tornado Nano and love it. I've had no problems with it at all. I wick it tightly like @cigatron described and it vapes smoothy, no dry hits, no leaking. I've also rewicked the chip coil and have had no problems. I think one of things I've learned with both the Tornado and Tornado Nano is you have to use a little more cotton than you would normally think you need because of the large juice holes and wick channels. I love the Nano, for me it is a lot better than the Tornado was. No matter what I tried the original Tornado leaked every single time I refilled it.
Well bellastarr I just don't know what am doing wrong then,I have wicked it tightly like you and cigatron,and I mean tight,any tighter and it would rip my coils right out,and I have add nothing but issues,just a terrible vape,but if you guys are getting ur done and it works for you that's great to hear,maybe my skill set is just not good enough for the nano.
Cigatron my friend i have a question for you,ya am still at it with my nano trying to get it to work correctly,am not sure if you have used it as an rta yet,but if you have,once you have wicked it up screwed on the chamber part,do you pull up on you're wicks or leave them be? I used to pull them up a bit and I think that's what was causing the sputters that I was getting as I just tried just leaving them be,you can barely see a little daylight but once I seal up the juice holes I think am ok,and it seems to vape a little smoother, quiet a bit actually,I hope I explained everything ok,just wanted you're input as you seem to have mastered that sucker;-) thanks in advance for any input you might have my friend;-)
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Cigatron sorry to bother you once more,how high do you set you're coils in rta mode?
The weird thing is that it will vape smoothly after I freshly rewick it but only for a very short time,then slowly but surely it will revert back to spuddering,not sure why that is,raaah,frustrating I tell you :-/
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Whoa! What's with the NEON posts? Hard to read on this dark theme! lol
Anyway, I like the looks of the Tornado Nano, but I'm just trying to figure out what this "chip coil" system is all about (and what are the benefits).
TIA!
Anyway, I like the looks of the Tornado Nano, but I'm just trying to figure out what this "chip coil" system is all about (and what are the benefits).
TIA!
I'd be careful trying to wick that tightly with cotton. Cotton swells when wet and it can "choke" in the coil, meaning get packed so tightly it can't wick any juice in and you're in downtown dry hit city. If you want to pack it in there, let me suggest rayon. For cotton, I generally think the volume is correct when the wick slides fairly freely through the coil. You should be to pull the cotton back and forth a bit without pulling the build stand around on the desk top. If you're getting dry hits, and still wicking cotton, I think you're probably pulling too much. Some photos might help, if you could post some. As for it making a bit of noise, all of mine do that.
just got it in today - i love making coils - so i built 2 24 gauge 10 wraps spaced on a 3mm bit using ss316l (came out to about .23ish ohms)- wicked w/ rayon - kinda sorta a cross between a griffin and a moonshot kinda wicking style using rayon (pardon me - my comma on the keyboard doesn't work) - nice roomy build deck - velocity style posts with a twist. 480 degrees at 65 watts - 0.01 preheat setting on my "sig NOT A 213" using the built in default ss 316l setting. currently on my first tank and just loving it... much much better than the original tornado version... will update how i think of it in a few days... still have to try the "chip coil"...
vape safe
tonyc
vape safe
tonyc
Thanks sprtrtr,I think I just might shelf it,it's just causing me to much hassle,and the vape is just crapy,I have tried wicking it all kinds of different ways but nothing seems to help or work,oh well thanks to all who tried to offer assistance ;-)
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