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Good morning Fran! I had a balmy +5 on my way in!
OZ, So you are one of those nuts, eh? You like -10 to +10???
Once I drove up to vermont to pick up a canoe I'd bought. My son and I are out there freezing our arses off tying the canoe on. The dude is standing there in a t-shirt!!! After about 20 minutes he says " its a bit chilly I'm going to get my jacket". It was 9 freaking degrees with a wind chill of -16 or something!!! Was that you Oz?
OZ, So you are one of those nuts, eh? You like -10 to +10???
Once I drove up to vermont to pick up a canoe I'd bought. My son and I are out there freezing our arses off tying the canoe on. The dude is standing there in a t-shirt!!! After about 20 minutes he says " its a bit chilly I'm going to get my jacket". It was 9 freaking degrees with a wind chill of -16 or something!!! Was that you Oz?
Good morning Fran! I had a balmy +5 on my way in!
OZ, So you are one of those nuts, eh? You like -10 to +10???
Once I drove up to vermont to pick up a canoe I'd bought. My son and I are out there freezing our arses off tying the canoe on. The dude is standing there in a t-shirt!!! After about 20 minutes he says " its a bit chilly I'm going to get my jacket". It was 9 freaking degrees with a wind chill of -16 or something!!! Was that you Oz?
My comfortable range is -40 to +50. +50 to +65 is ok. +65 to +75 is tolerable. Anything over that needs to stay with you silly lowlanders.
If it's chilly out, you can always put on another layer. If it's hot out, you're just screwed. The problem is most people don't know how to dress appropriately for cooler weather... and the fact that it's becoming less frequent. This is the first year the midwest has seen a real cold snap since the 90's. A few decades ago they were pretty regular every few years.
The last time I pulled out a coat was almost 2 years ago. It wasn't that chilly, but I was up at 10,000' on a dogsled ride & snowboarding. A shell is rather handy then.
Lurking and hiding in my (fabulous) 74 degree corner of the nation...
I understand the concept of the layering thing, however, how does one MOVE with all those articles of clothing! I do recall the first time snow and I met. Someone helped me dress in MULTI layers of some polypro something or other material. One layer, two layers, 27 layers later, I was as big as a very round snowman, and proceeded to waddle out of doors.
I fell in a snowbank..... let's just say I'm thankful to be here to tell the story. I could NOT MOVE!!!
Share your love of temperature range, Oz. Mine however is a BIT smaller. I'm good with 78-82.
And yes, I'll be wearing a jacket today.
I understand the concept of the layering thing, however, how does one MOVE with all those articles of clothing! I do recall the first time snow and I met. Someone helped me dress in MULTI layers of some polypro something or other material. One layer, two layers, 27 layers later, I was as big as a very round snowman, and proceeded to waddle out of doors.
I fell in a snowbank..... let's just say I'm thankful to be here to tell the story. I could NOT MOVE!!!
Share your love of temperature range, Oz. Mine however is a BIT smaller. I'm good with 78-82.
And yes, I'll be wearing a jacket today.
Lurking and hiding in my (fabulous) 74 degree corner of the nation...
I understand the concept of the layering thing, however, how does one MOVE with all those articles of clothing! I do recall the first time snow and I met. Someone helped me dress in MULTI layers of some polypro something or other material. One layer, two layers, 27 layers later, I was as big as a very round snowman, and proceeded to waddle out of doors.
I fell in a snowbank..... let's just say I'm thankful to be here to tell the story. I could NOT MOVE!!!
Share your love of temperature range, Oz. Mine however is a BIT smaller. I'm good with 78-82.
And yes, I'll be wearing a jacket today.
When I lived in MT. and it got down to -60 windchill I still wore tennis shoes and t-shirt with 1 coat. My body makes it's own heat but my normal temp is 99 point something.
That's the other big thing about Montucky. We don't get those endless grey days. Winter means the deepest & bright blue skies the midwest has never seen.
Lurking and hiding in my (fabulous) 74 degree corner of the nation...
I understand the concept of the layering thing, however, how does one MOVE with all those articles of clothing! I do recall the first time snow and I met. Someone helped me dress in MULTI layers of some polypro something or other material. One layer, two layers, 27 layers later, I was as big as a very round snowman, and proceeded to waddle out of doors.
I fell in a snowbank..... let's just say I'm thankful to be here to tell the story. I could NOT MOVE!!!
Share your love of temperature range, Oz. Mine however is a BIT smaller. I'm good with 78-82.
And yes, I'll be wearing a jacket today.
Cold weather = fireplaces & sharing a blanket on the couch
The trick with layering is thin layers. It's not the fabric keeping you warm, it's the air between the layers. I could put 4 layers on underneath a hoodie & you'd couldn't tell the difference if I had just a t-shirt on underneath. That's what I meant about people not knowing how to dress for it. They think big & bulky. The other big thing is never, ever put cotton next to your skin.
I've worked outside for 12 hour days when the warmest we saw was -20 for weeks on end. Completely comfortable. Living/working in the cold is more brains than brawn. I'm the world's skinniest polar bear at 6'0, 160ish#.
Coldest I've seen it was -55, no windchill at about 11,000 feet.
That's the other big thing about Montucky. We don't get those endless grey days. Winter means the deepest & bright blue skies the midwest has never seen.
Cold weather = fireplaces & sharing a blanket on the couch
The trick with layering is thin layers. It's not the fabric keeping you warm, it's the air between the layers. I could put 4 layers on underneath a hoodie & you'd couldn't tell the difference if I had just a t-shirt on underneath. That's what I meant about people not knowing how to dress for it. They think big & bulky. The other big thing is never, ever put cotton next to your skin.
I've worked outside for 12 hour days when the warmest we saw was -20 for weeks on end. Completely comfortable. Living/working in the cold is more brains than brawn. I'm the world's skinniest polar bear at 6'0, 160ish#.
Coldest I've seen it was -55, no windchill at about 11,000 feet.
Oh heck you must not be where I lived in the western part by Flathead Lake. I used to get on my cat to go to work and it was -60 windchill many times. Used to love going ice fishing on the lake. Pull the little shelter out on the ice with my cat, fire up some coffee and commence to fish.
That was 30 yrs. ago so must be the Global Warming thing warmed it up.
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Oh heck you must not be where I lived in the western part by Flathead Lake. I used to get on my cat to go to work and it was -60 windchill many times. Used to love going ice fishing on the lake. Pull the little shelter out on the ice with my cat, fire up some coffee and commence to fish.
That was 30 yrs. ago so must be the Global Warming thing warmed it up.
We're way colder than Flathead - further south, but I was also over a mile & a half higher in elevation where that happened. The -55 was not counting for windchill - the thermometer was protected. I was above the treeline so it was definitely a bit breezy. Not a clue what the windchill reading was; I usually only pay attention to ambient. It was -45 ambient in the valley (5500') that day.
I have no idea what the temp was but with a windchill of 60 and then jumping on a cat at 50mph it was cold. We were in the foothills just below the Bob Marshall wilderness. Used to fly back over that and it is rugged. Spots where no man has ever stood.
Well I'm guessing I wouldn't have the brains to survive there. Took my wet glove off yesterday after shoveling, and my right index finger stuck to the storm door handle. Pulled the hide right off of it
Coldest I've ever experienced was -22 when I lived in Maine, but I stayed in the toasty warm house.
I can't even read your posts! I'm F-f-f-f-freezing just looking at this thread! I will return in the Spring.
(ok, did not wear a jacket today, but did don a scarf...)
(ok, did not wear a jacket today, but did don a scarf...)
I can't even read your posts! I'm F-f-f-f-freezing just looking at this thread! I will return in the Spring.
(ok, did not wear a jacket today, but did don a scarf...)
Our point was it's easier to get warm in the cold than it is to be in those 95° days trying to cool down.LOL
Looks like you won't be able to post tonight KD5 cause ECF will be offline.
Well I'm guessing I wouldn't have the brains to survive there. Took my wet glove off yesterday after shoveling, and my right index finger stuck to the storm door handle. Pulled the hide right off of it
Bo be careful pouring gas in the cold too because it gets colder. I had my hand freeze to the funnel doing it.
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J5, I do not care for the heat either. Since our area is a desert, it absolutely never fails that all air conditioners will become non-functional at the peak of the summer heat. It's so much fun.
I will however, have to learn from you and Oz and our chilly state girls how to achieve this thin, layered look! I've never liked the unsightly bulges from a down jacket, so teach me oh cold wise ones!
And thank you for the heads up on ECF down time. I shall rush to grab a couple of postings then head off. Been a VERY long day in the city...
It's pretty simple, really. Those cheap base layers like Under Armor... are cheap. Cotton is a huge problem, especially next to skin - when it gets wet, you're better off not even having it on your body. So next to skin, silk or a good synthetic is key. Eddie Bauer makes a relatively inexpensive line that wicks well. The other big thing is you don't want things that are too tight. The base layer on skin is fine as long as it's not too tight - you need good circulation (which is a common mistake when people 'bundle up' for the cold. They're actually making it worse for themselves.) After the base layer, mid layers should be wicking, not baggy, but loose enough to move freely against the layer beneath it. That air space is what's keeping you warm.
So to get 5 layers on & still make your hoodie look normal, you can't buy the cheapest stuff on the rack - it doesn't work well in the first place, but the fabric is just too thick. Not that all pricier options are always better, just the better options aren't going to be sold at WalMart.
Long story short - get rid of cotton, buy a brand with quality products in the correct size. That Eddie Bauer line is good (First Ascent?), North Face & Patagonia are good places to start. Check out a backpacking store.
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