I'm a newbie, I need a E Cig that can TRULY provide the pleasure of real cigarettes!

[GuitarProVap£]

I highly recommend Vapor4Life, ive been very happy with their products, I'm sure it will get you off analogs, worked for me!

 

[GuitarProVap£]

Yes. And I don't even like the Provari for myself. But it depends a lot on the person involved. The nova is a decent choice as long as s/he gets enough information.



The Ego-C Twist is just branded Ego-C. It's an Ego. It's a Twist. It has nothing to do with their "Ego-C System". I'm using a Vivi Nova (a full size and a mini) on 2 Ego Twists right now, and I have been for a while. They work flawlessly as long as you're aware of a couple small things.

1 - The vivi nova heads (the part with the atomizer coil that actually heats the liquid) take a little time to break in. There are ways to shortcut it (boiling the heads for a few minutes in water), but those shortcuts are not the kinds of things that a beginner or "n00b" would be expected to know or do flawlessly. I didn't screw up the first time I did it, but that might have been luck. Plus, I'm a nerd and watched youtube videos and read forum posts about it.

If you don't do that, they'll take a day or two to break in. On a twist, you'll be playing with the voltage knob after just about every drag to ride that fine line between "no flavor" and "burned flavor"……and it seems to change (for me) every few drags for the first day or two. Fortunately, they don't seem to need to break in again (at least, not as badly) after being cleaned by running hot water over all the pieces, drying them out, and putting them back together.

If you're using a single-voltage battery (like a regular Ego), I doubt the experience would be very good at all for at least 2 days.

2 - There's a bit of a learning curve to using them because of weird manufacturing tolerances. The center posts on the vivi nova (which carry the + electrical connection) tend to stick out too far. If you just crank one down on a battery, you'll probably break the battery. You can adjust it by disassembling the vivi nova, screwing it on your battery, and then putting the atomizer head on, taking it off the battery, and reassmebling the rest of it. But it doesn't always work completely. It works on one of mine, but not the other. Probably some version issue.

IMO, the best thing you can get for using a Vivi Nova on a Twist is a thread cover like this or this. The first one is for the full size; the second is for the mini. You screw the thread cover all the way on, put the vivi nova on the battery just until it makes solid contact, then unscrew the thread cover until it holds the vivi nova in place.

It's not like rocket science to do it right, but there is a learning curve. If you do it that way, you wont damage the battery from over-tightening the vivi nova, and you don't have to worry about it being un-stable on the battery. But, you can also damage threads doing that, which could make the battery useless. Again, it's not rocket science…but it's not entirely straightforward either.

I love that setup, and if that's where your budget falls and you think that, assembled, it's the type of thing you could see yourself using……I'd seriously consider it. It gives a great experience, IMHO. But I haven't used much that people would consider higher end than that.

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I feel like I'm whoring that picture out all over the place, but that's my daily setup. 2 ego twists. One has a full size vivi nova with a blue tube, the other has a mini with a clear tube. Both of them have aftermarket drip tips which you don't need and are largely just aesthetic (you need to have one, but not a specific one…and they each come with a black one).

If you want to go higher-end right off the bat…the added financial investment might help convince you to make a more legitimate try of it. Judge that based on yourself. But you owe it to yourself to watch some reviews of anything you consider buying. Grimmgreen (on youtube) has a great review of the twist, and pbusardo (tasteyourjuice.com) has a good review of the provari as well as the twist……though he gets a lot more technical and posts long reviews that might bore you senseless if you're not as much of a geek as someone like me. There are a lot of others as well.

After you figure out hardware that works for you, it's just a matter of trying juices. And there are a lot of juices out there. It might just end up being fun.

Also, there are people who are perfectly happy with the Blu. They just tend not to frequent vaping forums because they're not enthusiasts. It seems like you probably won't be happy with it, but if money's no issue……go ahead and try it. You might like it. People here tend to prefer the Volt from Smokless Image. Frankly, I think all of the "mini" e-cigs, the things that still look like cigarettes, are just sick jokes. I can't see how they're satisfying to anyone……but they still exist, so they must be.

The other big point…



It's also true…to a degree. The experience of vaping is a lot closer to the experience of smoking a hookah or a pipe. The feel when you're inhaling is a lot closer to a hookah than a cigarette, and the draw is closer to a hookah or a pipe than a cigarette. Also, if you've ever smoked either a hookah or a pipe, you know there's some babysitting: keeping a pipe bowl at the right temperature by how often/hard you drag; moving the coal around a hookah and occasionally purging the stale/burned smoke from the chamber above the water; tamping things down properly; setup; cleaning; etc..

I don't think anything will be quite the same as pulling out a pack, shaking one out, lighting it, and tossing it away when you're done. There's just too much going on in vaping for it to feel that simple.

BUT, the experience is tremendously rewarding. I don't stand out as "that guy playing with electronics" when I'm hanging out with my still-smoking friends. But there's more prep work. At times, I feel like a chemist with all the juice bottles and cleaning little metal and plastic pieces. But it's easily worth it.

And there are a few other things. Vaping will dry your throat out, so you have to drink a good bit of water. You have to be able to fiddle with things a bit; dry hits can always happen (especially if you're avoiding propylene glycol) and they will tear up your throat (temporarily) worse than I remember cigarettes doing. I don't think it's ever going to be 100%, but it's easily good enough if you want it to be.

I was a PAD (pack a day) Lucky Strike smoker for a while. My girlfriend tried a gas station disposable that was a hands-down better experience than my first vape kit (in early 2009 from a mall kiosk) and lead me to this site. I got off the disposables pretty quickly and am extremely happy with what I've got. But I never intended to quit smoking; I wanted something that would cut down on the pointless chain-smoking when I was waiting for things. I thought eventually I'd get to the point where I vaped most of the time but had a cigarette when I wanted one. Instead, I still have a couple lucky strikes sitting in a drawer somewhere that I have no intention of ever smoking. And it's only been a few months. I'm so enthralled with this community and all these new toys that my old rituals have been left in the dust.

So, it's not the same. And it won't be. But you might find it's better.

As for the nicotine head rush thing: I definitely get it. But most people seem not to. I always chalked it up to oxygen deprivation rather than any specific drug effect (because I didn't get it from gum either) so maybe it has something to do with the way I breathe while I vape. Start with a higher nicotine juice (24 or 36mg/ml) if you need to.

I say definitely go for it. But you might have to change your expectations just a bit.

I think it's worth it. Easily.

Good luck.

And sorry about the wall of text. I'm also an insomniac.

Wow that looks like an awesome daily setup! I want to get me a twist to add to my collection soooo bad haha

 

[Amish Ed]

I'm a noob myself. But, having spent a chunk of money I wish I'd gone straight to the Vivi Nova and Twist. Though I'm happy with my Vivi Nova and standard Ego batteries. What ever you do, get back ups. At least 2 batteries and 2 Novas. Preferably 3 batteries. That way any breakage or forgetting to charge a battery doesn't leave you looking at real cigs as an the only option.

 

[paulw2014]

We'll have to agree to disagree there. I will be putting an avidvaper 2-ohm coil in one at some point just for S&G. Well……more than likely 5 of them since that's how they're sold and I doubt avidvaper will disappoint……especially for $1/coil. But you don't have to jump down that rabbit hole to get what I think is a really good vape.

Where did you buy your Twist and the Vivo Nova? Also, just in case I miss out on any necessary accessories, can you list out the exact items (and #s) that I'll need to get started?

Thanks.

 

[rob79]

Hey, I'm a total noob too, looking to buy my first ecig to try to get away from "real" cigarettes ASAP. Everything I've read elsewhere says that the 18mg e-liquid should be a good place to start for someone (like me) who smokes a pack a day. Now I see everyone here saying that you can't get that "hit" that a real cig gives at all unless you try something super strong like 36mg. Is there something I'm missing here? Are ecigs really a good alternative to people who want to quit smoking, but actually love smoking? That's me - I love to smoke, but I hate what it's doing to my body, so I thought ecigs would be the perfect alternative. Am I on the wrong track all together?

 

[Kweb]

Hey, I'm a total noob too, looking to buy my first ecig to try to get away from "real" cigarettes ASAP. Everything I've read elsewhere says that the 18mg e-liquid should be a good place to start for someone (like me) who smokes a pack a day. Now I see everyone here saying that you can't get that "hit" that a real cig gives at all unless you try something super strong like 36mg. Is there something I'm missing here? Are ecigs really a good alternative to people who want to quit smoking, but actually love smoking? That's me - I love to smoke, but I hate what it's doing to my body, so I thought ecigs would be the perfect alternative. Am I on the wrong track all together?

Nope- you are in the right place . I am at 24 mg after being a PAD smoker for 20 years, and I haven't craved a single stinkie since I started vaping two weeks ago.

 

[Krys]

Which Vivi Nova is the best? Because, after typing in Vivi Nova in google I have way too many results. ( I figure asking would help myself and other fellow members, and this is what I found http://www.gotvapes.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=151_163 )
I was looking for something like that, since my vapeing adventure started back in 2010. I need a tank based on standard atty not a carto, that is rebuildable to some extent. I have 2 ProVaris, one is black matte other one is silver chrome.

In addition, i am looking for ego c twist for my mother in-law, since she is not a fun of heavy ProVari. Who is selling good Ego Twists ? (Ok I found one on Ovale, http://www.ovaleusa.com/shop/eGo-C-Twist-XXL-1000mAh?filter_name=twist - told you did not have time lately. I had Ego C from them already and I know it is good, so I hope it helps others as well. Please post anyone else who sells decent Twists based on your own experience though)

BTW. Lately, I had no time to use my personal computers, thus lack of reading ecf forums. This is what happens when you are an IT guy; being simply sick of sitting in front of computers for days not wanting to do it at home anymore (i am considered recovering computer addict)

 

[Jolene Draper]

Hello Quietvibes,

I have been vaping for about six months and I absolutely love it. I did have some issues with batteries on the 510 model so I would not suggest to start with that one. I think the 510 was one of the first few ones so the technology on it is not quite as improved as the newer ones. I mainly started with it because it was the cheapest one. It is a little costly to get started but once you get the equipment the liquid is so much cheaper than traditional ciggs. I estimated myself at around $100 a year if I use the do it yourself flavorings where you buy the flavor and nicotine and you mix it to your likings. But even if you buy it pre mixed a $3 bottle will last me a week. Today I placed an order for the ego c which I heard good things about and is supposed to be the best selling one. If you want to get an idea of which e cig might fit you best I would suggest to go on you tube for reviews. I found tons of them on there that helped me. As for wanting to feel like your smoking a cigg I find the usa flavor works best for me. It tastes just like a marlboro. So when I want to get the cigg feel I use that liquid. I bought a Krave brand from Dollar General for emergency uses that is really awesome. Hard to tell I am actually smoking an e cigg with it. That would be great to get a starter feel cause it is only $7. I wish you much success! I hope you start e smoking.

 

[Jolene Draper]

I started with 18 mg and it works fantastic for me. I am a moderate to heavy smoker myself. I wanted to start low so I wasn't taking in more than I should. I would suggest between 18 and 24 mg. I think 36 mg is overdoing it unless your a severe chain smoker. Much success to you. I love my e ciggs.

 

[Krys]

Another thing that is worth to mention: clear juices are less troublesome for your e-cigs (attomizers, cartomizers etc.) Dark e-juices are leaving more residue on the heating parts, therefore attys/cartos last shorter.
I like freedomsmokeusa for their e-juice, but the ones a like the most are dark (tiramisu - my favorite, Wyatt Earp - tobacco with herbs, RY4 - tobacco with nuts, and pina colada - very sweet but I like it). They have "thousands" of flavors, so do not get lost. I am currently looking for same quality e-juices but with no coloring, any insights ?

 

[Krys]

As aforementioned by others; TasteYourJuice.com has pretty unbiased opinions that can help starters.

 

[rusalka]

Yes, as a new vaper myself I will say that this is different than smoking. I get that throat hit on the tobacco flavors on a good draw, but no one will ever trick me into thinking it's an analog. Edensin is right, no buzz that I've experienced but it certainly kills the cravings. I liked the buzz you speak of, but I like my lungs more. I've made this change for a healthier alternative to smoking. I find the world of juices has million+1 choices out there. It may take some searching to find "the one", but that's what the forum can help you with!

Welcome and read on.

I have heard that you can almost get the same "buzz" from whole tabbacco alkaloid nicotine solutions. (I hope I got that right) It gives some people that little extra something that they were missing. I will try to track it down if you want.

 

[niczgreat]

Okay, after reading everyone's comment and doing some thinking, I think I will start off my vaping experience with the Ego Twist C and the Viva Nova. I can't go wrong with that right? I mean, from the comments, it might not be the best out there (Provari), but it's definitely a good system. As in, I shouldn't get too disappointed with it so to cause me to quickly yearn for a cigarette...

Any other comments about my choice? thanks

You are right on.
I'd suggest for juice that you go to Heathers Heavenly vapes

Order 4 5ml Juices. start with 18mg and go up to 36mg. You can always dilute the higher ones with VG that you can buy at any CVS. By the way if you like tobacco, just type in Tobacco to the search field.

Dark Horse tastes just like Marlboro Light to me.

Heathers is $12.00 for a 30ml bottle which is darned reasonable for a premium juice.

 

[Krys]

I just got myself E-Pipe Mods Pipe Sauce Oak Barrel Cider 18 proof together with Vivi Nova 2.5 and whole set of ovale ego c + 2x twist bats. First impressions of the Sauce and Vivi are very positive. The best part is that the sauce is clear, almost like water which is very promising.

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[paulw2014]

You are right on.
I'd suggest for juice that you go to Heathers Heavenly vapes

Order 4 5ml Juices. start with 18mg and go up to 36mg. You can always dilute the higher ones with VG that you can buy at any CVS. By the way if you like tobacco, just type in Tobacco to the search field.

Dark Horse tastes just like Marlboro Light to me.

Heathers is $12.00 for a 30ml bottle which is darned reasonable for a premium juice.

Alright, thanks to all who've given me advice. I plan to buy the Ego C Twist 1000mah battery and a Vivi Nova tank. Of course, I plan to buy some good juice as well. But, is that all I　need to start vaping? Is there anything I'm leaving out? I would hate to have my order arrive in a few days and realize I still needed certain parts or accessories. For example, do I need an atomizer as well? or is it built into the vivi nova tank (coil)?

Please advise. Thanks

 

[Decipherme]

I would buy 2 so one can be charging while you use the other one. Oh, and make sure it comes with a charger

 

[Snoopielyn]

An Ego twist is a great start to vaping. But you'll definitely want at least 2, so you'll have something to use while one is charging. If you don't want to buy 2, you could consider an ego style variable volt pass-thru, which will allow you to use it while it's charging. An example of that is here: Black EGO VV Battery 650mah 3v to 6v [1000_BLK_EgoVV_650] : L Js E-Smokes, Electronic Cigarettes The only downside of that one is the battery itself is only a 650mah, but if you have frequent access to a charging source, it would be a decent alternative.

If you're at all like me, you'll quickly discover that the power source (battery) you choose is the easiest decision to make, and the more difficult decisions come with what juice delivery system (cartos, clearos, carto tanks, etc) and juice you prefer. Personally I've discovered I prefer bottom coil CE3s to anything else. That being said, the vivi nova is an excellent tank and a great choice for someone new to vaping. It's easy to use, easy to clean, and with the changeable heads in different ohms, it's a great way to learn what you like without spending too much money.

As far as juice goes, that will likely be what gives you the most trouble. It's almost impossible to suggest a juice to someone else as everyone's tastes are different. Take advantage of sample packs and sales. The general eliquid discussion section of these forums is a great place to ask around about suggestions if you're looking for someplace that sells a particular flavor you'd like to try. For sales, this forum thread is an invaluable guide: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/pay-forward-pif/85781-deals-steals.html

Good luck on your journey...and just remember, there is no one perfect set up for all people, so what works for you to get you off the cigarettes is the right way for you.

Edit: Oh, and to answer your question, the vivi nova is a tank and atomizer combined. The replaceable heads are what heat the juice for you.

 

[Genestus]

Alright, thanks to all who've given me advice. I plan to buy the Ego C Twist 1000mah battery and a Vivi Nova tank. Of course, I plan to buy some good juice as well. But, is that all I　need to start vaping? Is there anything I'm leaving out? I would hate to have my order arrive in a few days and realize I still needed certain parts or accessories. For example, do I need an atomizer as well? or is it built into the vivi nova tank (coil)?

Please advise. Thanks

Go ahead and pick up a couple basic atomizers as well for dripping. It will make it a lot easier to test out different juices.

 

[Unspokenzero]

Remember have backups.it sucks really bad if your battery dies and you have no backup and you want a vape. Do some YouTube searches on what was suggested. Also don't settle on one review look at 5-10 reviews and see what is in common in the strong and weak points of a device\atty\carto\clearo\rebuildable.

The voice you have made has gotten pretty good review from all the big players. Remember to buy extra heads for your vivi nova cuz the flavor will get funky after a while. Also get a few batteries so you can 1-rotate to keep your cycles low on your batteries. 2-have a backup while you are out and about and 3- carry a few different juices around with you. The biggest tip is research everything. Now that you ha e a setup find a good juice. I recommend anything from altcig.com, I have not been dissappointed buy them yet.

 

[lotsoffish]

LOL!

The OP's NEVER going to be able to figure out all the stuff that has been discussed in this 99 post thread.

Sometimes I think new vapors outta just order a couple 650 mah Ego's, a charger, and a box of Cartomizers with some juice and THEN start asking questions.