I'm done. No more vaping for me....

[Dr. Russell Fell]

Tell ya what, stick to your foolishness.

And I'm sorry your reading comprehension is not up to par. I'm not saying that at all. What I've said is, people who have been given opiates for the treatment of pain, have had no trouble stopping when it wasn't needed anymore, while someone who was using the same amount recreationally would develop a habit.

well, first, i was a kid. even if i understood what they were pumping me with and that i could get that feeling sans horrible pain, i would probably been all for it.

second, ARE YOU KIDDING? do you seriously think that all your strung out friends are somehow THE representational demographic of all ...... users AND that all people treated with morphine NEVER ONCE BECAME ADDICTED TO IT AFTER TREATMENT?

8-o8-o8-o8-o8-o8-o8-o

godspeed, man.

 

[Kate51]

The mind over body thing is accomplished by calming the mind. Just can't panic. Which is of course totally involuntary. Which of course is why you have to plan ahead to not be exposed to it! I learned about that when I was seven. Still learning.

 

[ladyraj]

i've met people who cannot physically function without their two packs. it's not a matter of being irritable or grumpy - they can barely make it through the day.

your description of a person withdrawing isn't that far fetched - then again, that's why people often take sick days. many business professionals who use ...... on a recreational basis, who are still able to manage their professional lives, will often take days off to a) flush out remaining ...... in the system and b) to lower the necessary needed amount of ...... to counteract the body's growing tolerance, thus the user needs to spend less to get just as high.

as for the study i had mentioned, here it is: Addictiveness of Marijuana - ProCon.org

of course, much like lady, some do disagree, but many seem to be in line with this opinion on the addictiveness of nicotine.

i think many people agree that pg in antifreeze isn't that shocking. pg is used in a lot of substances, both ingested and not. i think the big scare was that it contained another chemical that was found in antifreeze as well. i forget the name of the chemical...

why would i go out and get ......? i have no use for it. i don't like needles, and even if i could take it in a different form, i'm sure i wouldn't be that impressed based on what's been described to me by users and professionals alike. i have plenty of morphine in my life due to numerous operations when i was younger. while it was nice at the time, it was only good because i was in excruciating pain. hah.

quitting smoking is easy? sure, for some people. just like it's easy to quit ...... for some people. but not everyone can quit just as easily as you, and the same goes for ...... and those that use it.

Just a few responses:

*DEG diethylene glycol was found in one cartridge. DEG is also a filter adhesive in Phillip Morris cigarettes.

*There is so much pharmaceutical nicotine readily available to "nicotine addicts" why aren't they getting their fix from patches, gum, or inhalors?

*Marijuana is not physiologically addictive...psychologically yes it replaces some coping skills just as having a beer or ciggie.

 

[Applejackson]

Yeah, I'm done. Sorry if this was off topic. I kinda feel like it naturally evolved though.

 

[ladyraj]

And I'll call that calming wind...Kate!

 

[tiiams]

To 02BLACKTAWS6

Hi I am glad to hear you beat Phillip Morris awhile ago, I have smoked for 27 years, and use to be a fireman I found it very hard to quit and when I did it was only for a few months at best, then because of my anger and moods I went back I would rather smoke than go to jail for assault or worse.

E-cig has given me an out I started a month ago with a 401 and a 510 I love the 510. No failures as of yet.

No anger, no moods, well ok good moods most of the time we all have our off days too.

Even after a month I feel the urge for a real Marlboro smooth every once in awhile so I agree there are more in real cigs than anybody is telling us.

I just vap hard and heavy when I have an urge for a real one. It works! So for me there is no other choice I will keep at it till I get to 0mg then I may do it anyways for a year later before I would even think about stopping the vap.

I figure I breathed enough bad things in fires I had been on, in a 20-year career as a firefighter. And I use to cough all the time I didn’t even know I was doing it until I recorded myself on a video. Now the cough is almost none except when I do I know it my body beginning the many years of repairing but I abused them for 30 years so there not going to turn around in a month it will be a year I think I read before they are close to normal.

Oh I was a 2 pack a day guy. Full strength menthol.

 

[Applejackson]

well, first, i was a kid. even if i understood what they were pumping me with and that i could get that feeling sans horrible pain, i would probably been all for it.

second, ARE YOU KIDDING? do you seriously think that all your strung out friends are somehow THE representational demographic of all ...... users AND that all people treated with morphine NEVER ONCE BECAME ADDICTED TO IT AFTER TREATMENT?

8-o8-o8-o8-o8-o8-o8-o

godspeed, man.

The horrible pain brought on by injury, not the horrible pain brought on by addiction. VERY different.

Wait, again sorry for bringing this back. No, I'm not kidding, but again your reading comprehension is lacking. I don't think that my "friends" are the representational demographic. I've seen this first hand, across many circles of people, as well as studied up on the drug, it's effects, been through programs and rehabs. I've heard it all, read it all, AND I've seen it all. I also never said no one became addicted after treatment, but what I DID say was that the occurance of addiction is much lower in those cases.

 

[ladyraj]

Great result Tiiams. For those times when the PV seems lacking perhaps you could use some of those flavored snus mints that are like a tic tac in consistency. I heard that a fellow member, TBob, had good results with them. I broke down and smoked a few ciggies before I got back on track. My next craving period may result in a snus purchase.

 

[Applejackson]

To 02BLACKTAWS6

Hi I am glad to hear you beat Phillip Morris awhile ago, I have smoked for 27 years, and use to be a fireman I found it very hard to quit and when I did it was only for a few months at best, then because of my anger and moods I went back I would rather smoke than go to jail for assault or worse.

E-cig has given me an out I started a month ago with a 401 and a 510 I love the 510. No failures as of yet.

No anger, no moods, well ok good moods most of the time we all have our off days too.

Even after a month I feel the urge for a real Marlboro smooth every once in awhile so I agree there are more in real cigs than anybody is telling us.

I just vap hard and heavy when I have an urge for a real one. It works! So for me there is no other choice I will keep at it till I get to 0mg then I may do it anyways for a year later before I would even think about stopping the vap.

I figure I breathed enough bad things in fires I had been on, in a 20-year career as a firefighter. And I use to cough all the time I didn’t even know I was doing it until I recorded myself on a video. Now the cough is almost none except when I do I know it my body beginning the many years of repairing but I abused them for 30 years so there not going to turn around in a month it will be a year I think I read before they are close to normal.

Oh I was a 2 pack a day guy. Full strength menthol.

I don't blame you man. With cigs it's the routine, and the hand-to-mouth action that you really get stuck on. Relatively there's not a ton of nicotine you absorb from this, but it still curbs the need. After a couple months I almost never have an urge for a cigarette. It still pops up once in a while... until I remember what they taste like.

Props for a firefighter too. Bravery feels like too small a word for what you do.

 

[Dr. Russell Fell]

Just a few responses:

*DEG diethylene glycol was found in one cartridge. DEG is also a filter adhesive in Phillip Morris cigarettes.

*There is so much pharmaceutical nicotine readily available to "nicotine addicts" why aren't they getting their fix from patches, gum, or inhalors?

*Marijuana is not physiologically addictive...psychologically yes it replaces some coping skills just as having a beer or ciggie.

just a quick response.

* yep that's the one, and yes it's found in cigarettes.

*it is readily available, but do you know why not many people prefer it over cigarettes/dip/pipe tobacco? because it loses its recreational purpose. no one that i know of has ever gotten addicted to nicotine from nasal sprays, patches, and gum. it's just not how it happens. if ...... was completely decriminalized and even legal next week, then the rare cases of severe addiction would, if warranted by a large enough consumer base with enough capital to back it up, probably release an opiate similar to ...... in a different form that's not intravenous. but i know it wouldn't do that well. there are people who were past ...... users or addicts and once they quit completely, continued to inject water into their veins. why? because they were addicted to the ritual and were never physically addicted. the sole purpose of maintaining a sufficient level of nicotine in a body is because it's adapted to need it in a physical sense, which is an extreme physical dependency. also, take into account that nicotine replacement products are extremely overpriced since it's been lost to the pharmaceutical giants waiting to turn a quick profit.

* yes, marijuana basically has little to none addictive qualities. that being said, if you smoked, i don't know, an quarter a day, you may become addicted over a long enough time, adding into account the eventual need for more as the body adapts to the drug. same goes for beer and ciggies - you eventually need more if you decide it's worth doing over and over again and you don't get bored with it or you're attempting to self-medicate or to simply escape from a life that's nearly impossible to deal with on sober terms.

 

[Dr. Russell Fell]

The horrible pain brought on by injury, not the horrible pain brought on by addiction. VERY different.

Wait, again sorry for bringing this back. No, I'm not kidding, but again your reading comprehension is lacking. I don't think that my "friends" are the representational demographic. I've seen this first hand, across many circles of people, as well as studied up on the drug, it's effects, been through programs and rehabs. I've heard it all, read it all, AND I've seen it all. I also never said no one became addicted after treatment, but what I DID say was that the occurance of addiction is much lower in those cases.

wait, whoa, did you say that your understanding of ...... is from "circles of people" and from various "programs and rehabs?" you have to see the problem with this logic. clearly, there's a selection bias in your information.

ok, let's say you wanted to know more about ladders. so, in order to learn up on what ladders are about, you go and call someone that has probably never used a ladder in his life AND is only called upon when someone falls off a ladder. do you think this man's opinion on ladders is going to be very unbiased? do you really think you'll receive an objective and informative opinion on ladders from this person?

people with sever addictions, a small minority compared to all users, are often over-represented to prove a point that drugs are bad and that's the end of the story. you'll never hear about the overwhelming majority because they're smart and responsible and didn't have serious problems before drugs were ever involved.

and where'd you get that from? i'm not aware of any study or statistics that state that users of prescribed morphine are less likely to become addicted than those without prescriptions. physical addiction to morphine is pretty negligible anyway compared to dependency of alcohol, nicotine, and caffeine. in fact, just pm me so we can continue this outside of this thread.

and no, my reading comprehension skills are pretty darn good, thanks.

 

[Snarkyone]

Can someone tell me how we went from this first post:

Well I have decided to give it up. I quit smoking long before vaping, so I don't "need" to vape anyway. It was just a hobby. Not going back to analogs or anything. Inconsistent, cheaply built parts caused me enough frustration to just give up. Atomizers last a week, or a day. I just had three atomizers that lasted one day. That's just pathetic. Good luck to you all!


To discussing the addictiveness and arguing back and forth amassing pages upon pages of quotes and replies, to bitter, cutting responses to slights real or perceived? The last decent post I saw in relation to this was the great pic of a very used atomizer just covered in goo. One look at that should have answered ANY question on why atomizers fail and it's best to consider them a consumable that you replace much like a air filter in your car. If the filter is clean and new it will perform it's function as designed and at optimal performance levels. An atomizer will behave much the same way, a fresh atomizer without a build up of gunk on it will burn hotter, faster, and cleaner than one coated with gunk. I imagine your also getting tons of residual flavor from whatever juices created that gunk. Anyway that pic was a perfect example of why to change your atomizers at least once a month for best performance.

 

[trog100]

Can someone tell me how we went from this first post:

Well I have decided to give it up. I quit smoking long before vaping, so I don't "need" to vape anyway. It was just a hobby. Not going back to analogs or anything. Inconsistent, cheaply built parts caused me enough frustration to just give up. Atomizers last a week, or a day. I just had three atomizers that lasted one day. That's just pathetic. Good luck to you all!


To discussing the addictiveness and arguing back and forth amassing pages upon pages of quotes and replies, to bitter, cutting responses to slights real or perceived? The last decent post I saw in relation to this was the great pic of a very used atomizer just covered in goo. One look at that should have answered ANY question on why atomizers fail and it's best to consider them a consumable that you replace much like a air filter in your car. If the filter is clean and new it will perform it's function as designed and at optimal performance levels. An atomizer will behave much the same way, a fresh atomizer without a build up of gunk on it will burn hotter, faster, and cleaner than one coated with gunk. I imagine your also getting tons of residual flavor from whatever juices created that gunk. Anyway that pic was a perfect example of why to change your atomizers at least once a month for best performance.

that wasnt a very used atomizer snarky.. simply a week old one that was still functional..

but the pic has been here before.. but attempting to post valid information in this place is a waste of time.. its gone off the front page before its read..

this place is full of junk posts.. no real problem here except the junk posts totally obliterate the odd useful one.. the place gets worse.. the knowledge base is going backwards.. stuff that was common knowledge a year ago is now all forgotten..

just to add.. there is a little piece of wick material inside the heater coil.. when that little piece of wick material gets burnt to a crisp the atomizer stops working properly..

this leads to more and longer draws being taken.. this helps kill off the already over loaded little batteries.. the decline sets in very quickly..

anyway dumb is still the word... a place where the uninformed go to be led by the uniformed.. dumb because after a million posts the users seem to have learned bugger all... he he he

e cigs aint new.. nether is this place... its all been said and all been documented.. but none off it seems to have been taken in.. we now have noobs asking noob questions over and over again with slightly lesser noobs banging out the same erroneous answers..

its not the same noobs.. they come they post they move on to be replaced by more noobs.. the place is a mine of misinformation.. the busier it gets the worse it gets... he he he

dumb and its getting dumber.. he he he.. and sadly there is bugger all to be done about it..

trog

 

[surbitonPete]

attempting to post valid information in this place is a waste of time.. its gone off the front page before its read..

this place is full of junk posts.. no real problem here except the junk posts totally obliterate the odd useful one.. the place gets worse.. the knowledge base is going backwards.. stuff that was common knowledge a year ago is now all forgotten..

just to add.. there is a little piece of wick material inside the heater coil.. when that little piece of wick material gets burnt to a crisp the atomizer stops working properly..

this leads to more and longer draws being taken.. this helps kill off the already over loaded little batteries.. the decline sets in very quickly..

anyway dumb is still the word... a place where the uninformed go to be led by the uniformed.. dumb because after a million posts the users seem to have learned bugger all... he he he

e cigs aint new.. nether is this place... its all been said and all been documented.. but none off it seems to have been taken in.. we now have noobs asking noob questions over and over again with slightly lesser noobs banging out the same erroneous answers..

its not the same noobs.. they come they post they move on to be replaced by more noobs.. the place is a mine of misinformation.. the busier it gets the worse it gets... he he he

dumb and its getting dumber.. he he he.. and sadly there is bugger all to be done about it..

trog

sorry trog I just couldn't resist a silly post........

YouTube - Statler and waldorf (excellent)

 

[TheScrye]

I have found it rather interesting reading this thread in general. I haven't even gotten my e-cig yet. Ordered a 901, was excited, still excited. Now with a tinge of fear thrown in due to this thread. Yet, by my math, it still seems cheaper, plus it's probably going to taste a whole lot better. Then there's the quitting analog part, that's an added bonus to say the least.

Then there's Trog, our very own wise old e-cig user, who kind of reminds me of the proverbial old man that keeps your ball when you kick it in his yard. Yet, he seems to have some very useful information thrown in with a dash of insult and brow beating. I like it, don't get me wrong, I'm that way with electronics. Though, if Trog, you would be so kind. What can I expect out of these e-cigs? I don't smoke to much as it stands now, about a pack every three days. Should I have bought more then a total of four atomizers and three batteries?

 

[trog100]

I have found it rather interesting reading this thread in general. I haven't even gotten my e-cig yet. Ordered a 901, was excited, still excited. Now with a tinge of fear thrown in due to this thread. Yet, by my math, it still seems cheaper, plus it's probably going to taste a whole lot better. Then there's the quitting analog part, that's an added bonus to say the least.

Then there's Trog, our very own wise old e-cig user, who kind of reminds me of the proverbial old man that keeps your ball when you kick it in his yard. Yet, he seems to have some very useful information thrown in with a dash of insult and brow beating. I like it, don't get me wrong, I'm that way with electronics. Though, if Trog, you would be so kind. What can I expect out of these e-cigs? I don't smoke to much as it stands now, about a pack every three days. Should I have bought more then a total of four atomizers and three batteries?

i am quite mild and dont say much on here now.. but as a light-ish user they should work for you.. its heavy users that have the major problems..

our own experience after much testing.. we consider ourselves heavy users..

a pair of 901 batteries (510s are similar) lasted us two weeks.. they start off with a run time off around two hours.. after one week this is down to one hour.. after two weeks they are f-cked..

atomizers we expect one of those to work something like it does when new for around two weeks..

carts.. well they need regular top ups to keep going like when they are full.. trying to empty them means next to no vapour as they go down..

lighter users will get better results.. we need the things to work as they do when new.. a lot will be able to live with the performance drop off.. a heavy user wont..

nothing much has changed.. batteries are the main problems.. they are just not big enough for all day and every day use.. atomizers.. well they are cheap enough..

one every two weeks wont break the bank...

we would say a heavy user needs to buy one starter kit every two weeks for reliable e smoking.. it still dosnt work out that expensive..

we have now sold over 1500 screwdrivers complete with instructions on how to use them.. we support the product and dont have unhappy customers.. they whinge at me i dont like unhappy ones.. he
he he

but we do know how to use e cigs.. and reading this place makes me cringe..

trog

 

[JeannieB360]

I started researching these in late July / early August. I only found one site with a warning that the usage claims were exaggerated and that atomizers failed on a regular basis. That's how I knew to stock up on atomizers before I found the forum.

I did a little research on the forum in late July, decided on a model, checked out some recommended suppliers, and found one with a good deal here in the US since I expected shipping from Chna to take 'too long', That supplier had a FAQ that was about vaping, not about navigating the site. The supplier specifically stated that batteries and atomizers are consumables and that I should expect to use 1 or 2 a month.

So I started off assuming I'd need more than just a starter kit. I've killed a lot of auto batteries through overfilling carts - I now use manual batteries and do a better job of topping off/filling carts.

But you are right, Val, since I expected failures, I didn't get mad when they happened!

 

[stoprealones]

Hi Scrye, I began reading this thread this a.m. ,actually out of some thing that was said along the way that drew me to it to begin with and can't even remember what that was,after reading all of the posts.
Having started this appox a month ago or more actually, I can give you feed back on what I have learned personally,for I really believe now I got some of the best advice,particularly after reading the very posts I ended up reading this morn.
okay,so, what is that advice? Well, to start out with I was told to keep my atty(atomizer)wick always wet,one or two drops on it and make sure it doesn't get dry,dont mess with it other than that.
I was also told to not mess with the cartridge(cart.),that I should just leave that alone,and fill as necessary.
One other thing she told me was to becareful of what I put into put into my carts,juices; there are many out there with a lot of stuff in them. She told me to use the purest I could find; she further explained she thought that was ecopure and to add some lorean(sp) flavoring to it. She told me to get a few samples of the Ecopure and see which one I liked best and use that as my base. Well, that bit of advice I didn't follow; I have been experimenting with a number of the juices out there,and have found the flavors that I am really enjoying the most,but now, some of those I dont' even have a list of the ingred. in them,and that isn't a good thing,although some of these companies are always sold out; does this make sense? Not to me,but ,I really think most people feel that the e-cigs are so much better than the real thing,that the ingred. in the juices don't seem to much matter to most,given what th ealternative to this kind of smoking(vaping) is,and I see their point to an extent.
Anyway, I know that many complain that about the cartridge or atty,but I am going on now over a month,and nothing has been replaced.
I bought the joye510 and love it!!
I hope this info. might help you as it did me...
Looking back now and reading all of these posts,I think it was the best advice I could have been given as a newbie.
I hope you enjoy your 901. I was also told that when you go to the mall ,to try some of the different ones out there,ie.401,510,and others to see what you really like,then purchase,but then again, who can wait?
I am so impressed that it is working and actually replacing a 25 yr. habit that that seems to be the only thing that matters right now. I watched a number of videos from oncologist,lung drs,and they are all impressed with the positive change in lungs and respiratory from e-cig vaping,so how can we go wrong???
Good luck with your new e-cig!!!

 

[frogbmth]

Its nice to see Trog posting here again, he is a character this forum needs so that a balanced discussion can be had. Don't always agree with him but I hope he continues to post.

All this talk of atomizers going bad and battery life issues. But you can buy a PV that doesnt have either - the Iolite!

I keep having to bang on about it but if you want a device without any disposable parts and with a genuine two year warranty you won't need, and made outside china, stop looking at PVs with batteries and atomizers!

Otherwise the fact is that you will need a stack of batteries and atomizers to keep you going.

Ok thats me done. Feel better now.

Andy

 

[Dr. Russell Fell]

Can someone tell me how we went from this first post:

Well I have decided to give it up. I quit smoking long before vaping, so I don't "need" to vape anyway. It was just a hobby. Not going back to analogs or anything. Inconsistent, cheaply built parts caused me enough frustration to just give up. Atomizers last a week, or a day. I just had three atomizers that lasted one day. That's just pathetic. Good luck to you all!


To discussing the addictiveness and arguing back and forth amassing pages upon pages of quotes and replies, to bitter, cutting responses to slights real or perceived? The last decent post I saw in relation to this was the great pic of a very used atomizer just covered in goo. One look at that should have answered ANY question on why atomizers fail and it's best to consider them a consumable that you replace much like a air filter in your car. If the filter is clean and new it will perform it's function as designed and at optimal performance levels. An atomizer will behave much the same way, a fresh atomizer without a build up of gunk on it will burn hotter, faster, and cleaner than one coated with gunk. I imagine your also getting tons of residual flavor from whatever juices created that gunk. Anyway that pic was a perfect example of why to change your atomizers at least once a month for best performance.

someone mentioned that nicotine isn't as addictive as ......, and i disagreed and posted some reasons why that is. please make it clear that i wasn't stating that one is worse than the other - that's your prerogative to decided what's good for you or whatever. it's a clearly neutral statement. if the word "......" makes you less comfortable than "nicotine," than that's your deal, not mine. anyway, things got out of hand and it went on for two pages, but we're back now. no worries.

yeah, trog is right and it's common knowledge: these are consumables. their intention was for casual use and not total nicotine replacement.

also, a lot of this goes to preventative care for your stuff. if you have an atomizer that only lasts a day or a week, that's one thing - to have three or so fail like that is probably user error and highly unlikely due to the manufacturer unless you're getting really cheap, shoddily made stuff. not all of these things are poorly made. find the right distributor/manufacturer and go from there, but don't go blaming e-cigs for your own misinformation about atomizer/battery care.