I'm moving to an APV from the twists but will it really give me a better vaping experience? Dumb questions inside too.

[darkmader]

I've been off of analogs for 1 1/2 months thanks to vaping and all is well but I'm all new to this and confused because I really don't know what the hell is going on when it comes to advanced vaping as there is a whole big world out there and too many threads here to even wrap my head around.

I'm a tech guy, so I did my research and started with a twist and vivi nova tank. Fantastic, and got a few other people on it too. But like computers/tech I want the best out there for price and performance. My mom for example has those little start up kits that is smaller than a pen, and thank god she saved those TINY cartomizers, as she literally gave me 35 of them as she didn't even know you could re-fill them and said she was paying a fortune buying new ones all the time, even more than smokes. So it's great that she didn't throw them away. I boiled them 5x times to get the residue/flavor off, then I'm going to throw her some real juice instead of god knows what was in her setup: Extreme Ice E Juice Baker Vapor - Mt Baker Vapor - Electronic Cigarettes which she tried the other day and said "oh my god". The look on her face when I hit my 900 mah with vivi nova was priceless compared to whatever the hell the smoke shop sells her was priceless.

So anyways. I've hit youtube videos breaking down ohms law and all that but I could really give two ....s about all that. What I want to understand is this, especially going to the Vamo, with going to watts instead of volts which might be debatable, but watts are the way to go as it will set your voltage depending on the ohms on the fly. I have the Vivi on 2.8 ohms right now and also have some smok dual carto's xxl which are fantastic at 1.8 ohms. So I know when I switch them I just change the voltage on them to compensate.

That said, especially with with the APV, you want higher ohms now because you have crazy volts and wattages. Maybe I'm dead wrong, but at my vivinova tank at 4.2 volts with 2.8 ohms it sucks the liquid down like no other, but with lower ohms if I decide to change it to the 1.8 head I would use lower voltage, hence less battery life, and it wouldn't suck the liquid down as much correct?

Do people use higher ohms and voltage/watts just because they can, or does using a higher value, with burning a lot more e-liquid give that greater of a hit or just to brag here saying I do this at this setting? It's almost like any computer forum here too, that people have this or that and brag, but always want the next big thing and will upgrade. Instead of anandtech or tomshardware we hit ECF and get the next thing, almost like a CPU or Video card

Maybe I'm well off about lower ohms, less voltage, longer the e-juice lasts. Maybe HIGH ... voltage will give you a better hit and I will truly experience how my juice is supposed to taste? I'm just a newb and don't know a lot, but I've been off of smokes for the longest time in 10 years but again, I'm all about price/performance and the Vamo is the way to go now as it has the biggest buzz going on on the community now.

Rant over but still lost on all the basics really. But that is what this forum is all about.

 

[DC2]

I think a twist will give about 75% of vapers an equivalent experience to any variable voltage APV model.
But if you want to go above 4.8 volts then no, it won't do that.

And if you want to use cheaper replaceable batteries, then that is another consideration.

I have my Chucks that I run at 5.0 volts, but I love my Twist.
If my Twist could be customized to look like my Chucks, I wouldn't have my Chucks anymore.

 

[darkmader]

I think a twist will give about 75% of vapers an equivalent experience to any variable voltage APV model.
But if you want to go above 4.8 volts then no, it won't do that.

And if you want to use cheaper replaceable batteries, then that is another consideration.

I have my Chucks that I run at 5.0 volts, but I love my Twist.
If my Twist could be customized to look like my Chucks, I wouldn't have my Chucks anymore.

That is kind of one of my point. Of course the APV will be better, but when people do APV they do higher ohms because they CAN hit that. But higher volt/watt sucks the juices like no other, so why not hit a dual carto at 1.8 ohms and set it at 3.6 volts instead? Or even better, hit the 1.8 ohms head on the vivi nova, at 3.2/6V, won't it last longer? So does the vivi 2.8 ohms at 4.6v give a much better hit than the 1.8? I would think you just scale down depending on the ohms, which I do, when I replace my attachment.

 

[Michaaar]

Watt is it you say there?? And that is the secret.. watts. It doesn't matter if you hit 12 watts with a 1.8 ohm cart or a 3.0 ohm RBA coil.. 12 watts is 12 watts is 12 watts... What you are buying when you get an APV is longevity of product, battery life, consistency and a cool factor that isn't there with so common a creature as the twist.. but on the higher end VV APVs there is an addition to all these.. Neat little functions that tell you a myriad of factors ; Battery Life ; Ohms of the atomizer, what your true voltage is, etc.

Fact of the matter is.. if you are vaping on a twist at 4 volts on a 1.8 ohm atomizer you are capping out at 8.9 Watts, which is the same as if you were vaping 5 volts on a 2.8 ohm ato or 6 volts on a 4.1 ohm coil.. Sure you can hit 12 watts, but find me a juice that doesn't begin to burn at 35 BTU and I'll buy it just to have it on hand for an industrial lubricant.

If you are happy with your battery life, and you dont mind the inconsistancy of the twists voltage output then stick with it. If you want something that will last both in terms of physical life and battery life, it's time to upgrade.

My 2 cents

 

[Baditude]

I personally break down e-cigs into two categories: short-term devices and long-term devices. The following are how I define them with the pro's and con's of each. Each category may have additional factors that I couldn't come up with.

Short-term devices:
This is the category that most of us start out vaping with. These are the rechargable batteries such as the stick batteries and eGo batteries (including the Twists) that have a limited expected life span and are rated for 250 or so charges. Then they will need to be replaced. Cheaper to buy initially and closer to an analogue in form factor, but the battery duration is limited by its smaller size. 3-4 hours for the cig-look-a-likes; 6-12 hours for the longer eGo's. These are are relatively fragile when compared to the devices in the next category. More than one must be carried as a second one will be needed while the first one is being recharged. Narrow form factor can limit the capacity of juice carrying devices used.

Long-term devices:
These are the battery holders (tube or box mods) that are built to last years, and use replaceable batteries. More expensive initially, but the use of stronger materials will allow these devices to take some punishment yet continue to work. Only one device need be carried; when the replaceable battery's charge dies, it is merely replaced by another small battery. Much easier to carry a couple small batteries along than multiple additional devices like the stick or eGo batteries.

Depending upon the size of mod/batteries used, these devices can be used up to all day or more with a single battery. The batteries are cheaper (< $10) and last longer (said to last up to a year). The larger form factor also allows for larger juice carrying devices such as a cartotank, which can hold up to 8ml of juice.

Fixed voltage mechanical mod or variable wattage/variable voltage? Size and form factor? Button placement. Chinese origin or other origin (I include this for warranty consideration and the feasibility of repair once the warranty has run out.)

 

[grandmato5]

I learned the ohm/volt/watt laws to understand which ohm attys/cartos would work best on my 3.7 VT APVs or my 5 VT Apv's or my VV APV's to give me the vaping experience I wished to have. I also learned those laws to help me learn and understand safe vaping with our batteries. VV vaping is not a requirement for me to enjoy my vaping experience as long as I have LR juice delivery systems on my 3.7 VT APV's or 3 ohm attys/cartos on my 5 VT APV's.

The advantage to me of using vv devices is that I can dial into the best taste of any juice that I happen to be using with any atty/carto that I'm using. Just because an atty starts out metering as 3 ohms doesn't mean it will always measure 3 ohms throughout its entire life. VV allows me to adjust volts when the ohms change. VV simply allows me more options then single voltage devices.

I never feel the need to know exactly what wattage I'm vaping at. I only need to know I like what I'm vaping. Only because of my past experimenting when I was trying to figure it all out I do know that I tend to vape between 6 and 9 watts. I pay no attention to which settings I choose to use suck more or less juice during a given day. Being content with my vaping is the only thing that matters to me

I love my Twist. IMO its a great vv option if one is looking for a relatively small form factor. But I know that it will only last for 250-300 charges if I'm lucky and it will have to be replaced. With some luck my VV APV's which use replaceable batteries will continue to work long after my twist has died with only needing to replace the batteries. If something does go wrong with my other VV APV's they can be repaired by the US vendors which built them and I don't need to completely replace them. I happen to prefer the feel in my hand of my Buzz Pro over the feel in my hand of my Twist, but that's a personal choice. The battery life between charges is better on my Buzz Pro then on my Twist. My ZAP fits and looks great on my Buzz Pro. Not putting a ZAP on a little twist.

Only you will be able to judge after trying it if you will have a better vaping experience with a different VV device then you've had on your Twist. Good Luck

 

[graybuck]

I choose disposable diapers over washing cloth diapers. The size and portability of the Spinners and twists is so good I just don't see the need for the big mods (and yes I have two mods). For me it is about Convenience due to my busy lifestyle and travel.

 

[ukeman]

just my 2cents:
The Twist came long after the APVs we talk about and love... at an affordable price.
Other than it being a decent VV for a good price point, here's what I like about APV's.

Those that have metering functions; the Provari has provided me with tons of info (education) with its meter, for years now along with dependable durable service.
VW is imo the most up to date service an APV can give; set it at whatever your preference and use ANY atomizer, and resistance and as the resistance invariably changes, the device adjusts for you.
Bottom Feeding VV's can be all that and no need for dripping.

Twist is a super introduction to all that.