Im not a (anti smoker) Preacher but....

[kgeiger002]

...it ticks me off when someone is so rebellious about quitting smoking that they would rather sacrifice their own health/life to hold "true" to their "leave me alone" mentality when it comes to smoking. I've known my friend for over twenty yrs. We've always smoked....we always agreed anti smoker "Preachers" were annoying as hell ! ...Ok now I have started vaping...gave up smoking over four months ago (no looking bacK)...but she is so rebellious she won't even consider it. I've been very nonchalant with her about vaping but she just turns her nose up to it. I'm pretty much over her and hoping/trying to help her quit and change to vaping. If she wants to be rebellious then so be it. I gave it my best shot with her. It's her Funeral !

 

[HzG8rGrl]

Give her time. Vape only really great smelling flavors around her. If she ever really wants and or needs to quit, she'll let you know.

 

[t9c]

I have lots of friends who have appeared to be very interested in my PV too, given lots of demos, ECF biz cards, etc. all to no avail. You can lead a horse to water...and I guess they're just not for everyone. One thing I won't do is hound them about it.

 

[kgeiger002]

She won't quit...I'm telling you she lives in a complete denial state. She is a spoiled person. Basically she is a 48 yr old Mommy/Daddy's Girl.

 

[kgeiger002]

I have lots of friends who have appeared to be very interested in my PV too, given lots of demos, ECF biz cards, etc. all to no avail. You can lead a horse to water...and I guess they're just not for everyone. One thing I won't do is hound them about it.

Trust me I have NO intentions of ever bringing it up to her again.

edit: yes I know it's quite obvious I'm mad at her. I'll get over it.

 

[Bozzlite]

I was that way too. Rebellious. Hard headed. Angry at the anti smoking crowd. Smoked for so long (42 years) and taking the verbal beating from all the non smokers and ex smokers. Then the government. First, they banned smoking sections in restaurants. Then they banned smoking in bars. No smoking in bars? Gimme a break. Then they banned smoking in the street in front of the bars. Good grief, still makes me angry to think about it.

But ex smokers are the worst. They come across with the "Holier than Thou" attitude. So, I took the stance for many years that I would show them and just keep smoking. Suddenly, one day I changed. Now I'm a vaper.

Your friend just needs time.

 

[kgeiger002]

I agree Bozzlite. Maybe (just maybe) one day she'll give vaping a try. I just get frustrated because vaping (to me) is like having your cake and eating it to. Last night I needed to vent. I appreciate all the feedback.

 

[tgcrna]

Please don't lose a 20+ year friendship over this! She may decide to try vaping, she may not. I know you were just venting, as you said. But good friends are too important to lose.

 

[rons29445]

Give it time. Eventually they will see the logic of it and make the change

 

[banjo]

It is not a big deal! Everyone is entitled to make their own decisions. And, you are sounding a little like a preacher........

 

[GasPipeJimmy]

Even though you say you are not a preacher, to me it sure sounds like you are.
Did it occur to you that your attitude toward her might be part of the problem?

I was like your friend once, and the second anyone made preachy anti-smoking noise they were history.
I chose to vape myself, but if someone else tried to cram it down my throat, I'd walk the other way.
Doubt the infallibility of your own judgment (and judgmentalism toward her) and let her find her own path.

 

[kristin]

The last thing we need to do is alienate smokers - they are kindred spirits and fellow nicotine users. It's their body, their choice. We have no right to get angry at them or judge them, any more than we want non-smokers to judge us for being nicotine users. Some smokers don't buy into the claim that smoking is as harmful as the public health groups claim. As long as they aren't hurting anyones else, same goes as vaping. As passionate as we are about vaping and how it is benefitting our health, we need to be careful not to attack SMOKERS, because degrading them is no different than what the antis continue to do to us - they see us as no different than smokers anyhow. Our only job is to get the facts out to smokers and let them choose from there.

 

[kgeiger002]

Even though you say you are not a preacher, to me it sure sounds like you are.
Did it occur to you that your attitude toward her might be part of the problem?

I was like your friend once, and the second anyone made preachy anti-smoking noise they were history.
I chose to vape myself, but if someone else tried to cram it down my throat, I'd walk the other way.
Doubt the infallibility of your own judgment (and judgmentalism toward her) and let her find her own path.

OK - you know nothing about the situation so stop in you tracks please! I already said I'm done trying to help her. I also said I'm not Preaching. I already came to terms with her rebelliosnes. She's a friend of mine and I've earned the right to be Mad at her. I was venting...said my peace and then conceded the fact. So please Do not Preach to me.

 

[GasPipeJimmy]

So please Do not Preach to me.

As a quick experiment, note how you felt about what I said when you thought that I was "preaching" to you, then try to put yourself in your friend's shoes and that might provide some insight into her actions.

 

[Kargonet]

My Mom always got very defensive when someone would say something to her about quitting smoking. You could see the look on her face change to one of anger almost immediately. After she saw my success with it I just asked her if she wanted to try it, just a couple of puffs. The next day she e-mailed and wanted to know how much it would cost to set her up. I told her that I would set her up with an eGo kit and if she stuck with that and liked it then she could get her own set up. It's been a week Sunday since she had her last cigarette.

Don't give up on your friend. When she's ready she'll let you know and you can take solace in the fact that even though it took a while you won the battle.

Of course now the battle is convincing someone that never smoked that vaping is not the same thing. Guess I shouldn't bother trying really because they'll never really get it.

 

[kgeiger002]

As a quick experiment, note how you felt about what I said when you thought that I was "preaching" to you, then try to put yourself in your friend's shoes and that might provide some insight into her actions.

GasPipeJimmy - so trying to save her life is not important? Hey I hated anti smoker Nazis and I'm not one (whether you believe it or not) Hey Man I just watched my brother-in-law die in front of my eyes due to smoking just about five months ago (not a pleasant experience). I was trying convinse her to give to give vaping a try - In a very non-judgemental/non-confrontational manner. She basically laughed at me about it...so trust me! I will not bring it up to her again.

 

[Liv2Ski]

Just keep vaping away in front of her. Don't talk about it and eventually she will get it. Maybe when she sees you breathing easier and looking better she will make the choice for herself. Until then vape on

 

[markmcs]

You sound pretty upset that she won't listen. We have no control over the actions of others, whether we think we do or not. Take it easy and remember you can only give her the info, you can't make her use it.
"a man convinced against his will, will have the same opinion still...."

 

[kgeiger002]

My Mom always got very defensive when someone would say something to her about quitting smoking. You could see the look on her face change to one of anger almost immediately. After she saw my success with it I just asked her if she wanted to try it, just a couple of puffs. The next day she e-mailed and wanted to know how much it would cost to set her up. I told her that I would set her up with an eGo kit and if she stuck with that and liked it then she could get her own set up. It's been a week Sunday since she had her last cigarette.

Don't give up on your friend. When she's ready she'll let you know and you can take solace in the fact that even though it took a while you won the battle.

Of course now the battle is convincing someone that never smoked that vaping is not the same thing. Guess I shouldn't bother trying really because they'll never really get it.

btw - I let her borrow my 808 PT all last weekend with a fully wrapped "menthol" carto. Yesterday sh returned it and thanked me for letting her try it out. Guess what? The carto had never been taken out of the wrapper.

 

[markmcs]

btw - I let her borrow my 808 PT all last weekend with a fully wrapped "menthol" carto. Yesterday sh returned it and thanked me for letting her try it out. Guess what? The carto had never been taken out of the wrapper.

That should tell you right there that trying to convert her is a waste of your time and energy. If you can't accept her for the way she is...maybe you should reevaluate your relationship with her????