I'm pretty sure I just set off the SMOKE ALARM at Kroger, OMG!

[pbxbelmar]

What's wrong with vaping in stores in particular, anyways? The whole thing I saw on TV when vaping was getting big was "YOU CAN DO IT IN STORES ."

Well, in NJ e-cigarettes have already been added to the list of tobacco-related items that cannot be sold to minors under 19 and the same bill prohibits the use of e-cigarettes in public places and workplaces.

We couldn't smoke cigs in these places what makes you think this is ok?

I am all for courtesy and respect. However - VAPING is NOT smoking. I think we do the community a huge disservice by perpetuating the perception that vaping = smoking by allowing ourselves to be " cig-shamed" as if we were. That very perception allowed the NJ legislature (rabidly PC and anti anyone being allowed to do anything that 'THEY' don't approve) to very quickly eliminate the freedom we once had to vape.

There is no shame in vaping. We harm none. I am proud of myself for quitting smoking and will share my story (and my stuff!) with anyone I can help do the same. No, I won't blow clouds where it might bother others without asking. Yes, I will carry my pv around and vape as I see fit. If you still feel that smoker's shame even though you are a vaper, behave accordingly, if that's what YOU choose.

Let's relax and vape on, folks.

 

[Robino1]

And we (nor she) is absolutely positive that it was the vape that did it

 

[Eiren]

Well, in NJ e-cigarettes have already been added to the list of tobacco-related items that cannot be sold to minors under 19 and the same bill prohibits the use of e-cigarettes in public places and workplaces.


I am all for courtesy and respect. However - VAPING is NOT smoking. I think we do the community a huge disservice by perpetuating the perception that vaping = smoking by allowing ourselves to be " cig-shamed" as if we were. That very perception allowed the NJ legislature (rabidly PC and anti anyone being allowed to do anything that 'THEY' don't approve) to very quickly eliminate the freedom we once had to vape.

There is no shame in vaping. We harm none. I am proud of myself for quitting smoking and will share my story (and my stuff!) with anyone I can help do the same. No, I won't blow clouds where it might bother others without asking. Yes, I will carry my pv around and vape as I see fit. If you still feel that smoker's shame even though you are a vaper, behave accordingly, if that's what YOU choose.

Let's relax and vape on, folks.

In Virginia, it's under 18 can't buy. o: I didn't know that about NJ. I think the banning of vaporizers and e-cigs, etc., will continue to get banned as long as there's the ability to control the masses to do so...

I've seen TONS of people around Chester (where I live) and Richmond who just kind of vape and no one seems to care. It's just gotten ridiculous in a lot of places. I ask in buildings before I start to vape and otherwise, I just vape outside/at home/etc. I don't see vaping as smoking and I find the scent of most vapors pretty pleasant (that's not to say others don't, I guess...) My husband told me last night that our vaporizers could be our houses air fresheners, haha.

 

[Eiren]

And we (nor she) is absolutely positive that it was the vape that did it

I can't like this enough.

 

[pbxbelmar]

Yep. It was probably the deli overcooking the fried chicken...

 

[LeftofCenter]

In Virginia, it's under 18 can't buy. o: I didn't know that about NJ. I think the banning of vaporizers and e-cigs, etc., will continue to get banned as long as there's the ability to control the masses to do so...

I've seen TONS of people around Chester (where I live) and Richmond who just kind of vape and no one seems to care. It's just gotten ridiculous in a lot of places. I ask in buildings before I start to vape and otherwise, I just vape outside/at home/etc. I don't see vaping as smoking and I find the scent of most vapors pretty pleasant (that's not to say others don't, I guess...) My husband told me last night that our vaporizers could be our houses air fresheners, haha.

I have found the same where I am in VA, but you head into NOVA or D.C. and it starts to get a bit more frowned upon.

 

[AndriaD]

Well, in NJ e-cigarettes have already been added to the list of tobacco-related items that cannot be sold to minors under 19 and the same bill prohibits the use of e-cigarettes in public places and workplaces.


I am all for courtesy and respect. However - VAPING is NOT smoking. I think we do the community a huge disservice by perpetuating the perception that vaping = smoking by allowing ourselves to be " cig-shamed" as if we were. That very perception allowed the NJ legislature (rabidly PC and anti anyone being allowed to do anything that 'THEY' don't approve) to very quickly eliminate the freedom we once had to vape.

There is no shame in vaping. We harm none. I am proud of myself for quitting smoking and will share my story (and my stuff!) with anyone I can help do the same. No, I won't blow clouds where it might bother others without asking. Yes, I will carry my pv around and vape as I see fit. If you still feel that smoker's shame even though you are a vaper, behave accordingly, if that's what YOU choose.

Let's relax and vape on, folks.

Wish I could LIKE this about 100,000,000 times. And wear it around my neck as my personal philosophy!



Andria

 

[snork]

In my case I choose to vape everywhere since I started in 2011. I'm very adept at choosing which way I vape depending on the circumstances, my needs, and what effect I want to have on the surrounding people. I vape on planes, at the doctor's, at work, around the children, etc. You name it, I vape there. Never once in four years have I made a scene, been asked to stop, been asked to leave, gotten dirty looks, offended anybody.
I know beyond a shadow of a doubt (because *many* people have told me) that I have had a positive effect on the public's understanding and perception. It can be done.

 

[BlueSnake]

In Virginia, it's under 18 can't buy. o: I didn't know that about NJ. I think the banning of vaporizers and e-cigs, etc., will continue to get banned as long as there's the ability to control the masses to do so...

I've seen TONS of people around Chester (where I live) and Richmond who just kind of vape and no one seems to care. It's just gotten ridiculous in a lot of places. I ask in buildings before I start to vape and otherwise, I just vape outside/at home/etc. I don't see vaping as smoking and I find the scent of most vapors pretty pleasant (that's not to say others don't, I guess...) My husband told me last night that our vaporizers could be our houses air fresheners, haha.

And what smells good to you might stink to someone else. Some people think their perfume or cologne smells good but the smell might actually make me sick. And if I happen to get caught in a confined space, close to them I just have to put up with that because they are out in public and it smells good to them?

As someone pointed out earlier in the thread, there are lots of things that are not illegal, that doesn't mean it's OK to do those things without regards to other people and your surroundings. It's called consideration of others and basic decency.

And to clarify I do not believe what we do in public as vapors actually effects legislation, but I definitely think how we conduct ourselves in public can help to get public opinion on our side. And the general public will only side against us if we throw our vapor in their faces. Contrary to lots of opinion they don't care to be educated on vaping. Most of the public doesn't want to have to breath in our vapor if they are in a public place, no matter what the chemical make up of our vapor is.

 

[pbxbelmar]

And what smells good to you might stink to someone else. Some people think their perfume or cologne smells good but the smell might actually make me sick. And if I happen to get caught in a confined space, close to them I just have to put up with that because they are out in public and it smells good to them?

As someone pointed out earlier in the thread, there are lots of things that are not illegal, that doesn't mean it's OK to do those things without regards to other people and your surroundings. It's called consideration of others and basic decency.

And to clarify I do not believe what we do in public as vapors actually effects legislation, but I definitely think how we conduct ourselves in public can help to get public opinion on our side. And the general public will only side against us if we throw our vapor in their faces. Contrary to lots of opinion they don't care to be educated on vaping. Most of the public doesn't want to have to breath in our vapor if they are in a public place, no matter what the chemical make up of our vapor is.

Yes. And you are also free to tell them you don't like their perfume. You don't have the right (imo) to tell them how to smell, that their sense of smell is 'wrong' or that they need to be so considerate of the fact that you may end up in a confined space with them that they should change their behavior on your behalf.

Sorry - but this self-centered, entitled attitude really rubs me the wrong way.

If I don't like your perfume/cologne I may judge you according to my preference. But I'll defend your right to wear that nasty perfume if you like...

 

[AndriaD]

Yes. And you are also free to tell them you don't like their perfume. You don't have the right (imo) to tell them how to smell, that their sense of smell is 'wrong' or that they need to be so considerate of the fact that you may end up in a confined space with them that they should change their behavior on your behalf.

Sorry - but this self-centered, entitled attitude really rubs me the wrong way.

If I don't like your perfume/cologne I may judge you according to my preference. But I'll defend your right to wear that nasty perfume if you like...

The fact that so many wear SO MUCH of such disgusting stinks tells me that very few humans have a working sense of smell anyway, so I ain't really sympathetic to their gripes about vapor. It's all in their heads -- because IT LOOKS LIKE SMOKE so that makes them feel entitled to whine about it.

Andria

 

[alicewonderland]

Maybe its just me who thinks of it this certain way. But basically what everyone is arguing about is your right to be an addict and feed your addiction wherever you want. It just looks ... wrong from an outside point of view, fighting for the right to be an addict.

 

[Robino1]

If the dependency does no harm...

 

[GaryInTexas]

I don't vape where smoking is not allowed. Forcing my agenda on uninterested parties is not a winning formula to me. Many states and local governments are passing laws to force us into the tobacco smoking category whether we agree with it or not. Vaping where ever you feel like it is not going to help that. A little courtesy is a more helpful approach in my opinion.

The OP took one hit off her mod. She was not going up and down the aisles vaping at will. Most here have sneaked a hit somewhere. I am guilty. I think the firing squad was summoned a little too early here.

 

[alicewonderland]

If the dependency does no harm...

well, it is completely different than say someone needing oxygen tank carried around with him. explaining to your child that the man needs an oxygen tank around because without it he cannot breath properly, compared to explaining to your child that the person blowing vapor is addicted to nicotine is different, grocery stores are where people go to buy food and children will be more likely than present as well.

 

[mcol]

I stealth vape almost anywhere at times with never an issue.
Last week while in a college admission office I forgot the stealth part.
Oops.
Luckily no one noticed.
It happens.
I use little devices and small clearos though.

 

[AndriaD]

If the dependency does no harm...

Exactly. Caffeine fiends sit around slurping up coffee and coke/pepsi/mountain dew pretty much anywhere they want.

Andria

 

[Completely Average]

Since I can't quit thinking about it and know the manager at Kroger, I just asked him to go to lunch.
I'll ask him if he knows what set it off and if he doesn't know I'll find out if we can view the video to tell if it was my (one) big hit!

Details to follow this afternoon *_*

Unless you basically blew it directly into the smoke alarm it's almost impossible to set it off. Yes, clouding up a room nice and thick will do it, but I sit and chain vape with a smoke detector right above my head all of the time and never set it off.



You can see the smoke detector next to the ceiling fan.

 

[Vatigu]

Maybe its just me who thinks of it this certain way. But basically what everyone is arguing about is your right to be an addict and feed your addiction wherever you want. It just looks ... wrong from an outside point of view, fighting for the right to be an addict.

Addiction is a condition that results when a person ingests a substance (e.g., alcohol, ......., nicotine) or engages in an activity (e.g., gambling, sex, shopping) that can be pleasurable but the continued use/act of which becomes compulsive and interferes with ordinary life responsibilities, such as work ...

Tell me how vaping is an addiction again?

I'd say it's actually a habit we all enjoy rather than an addiction.

The key difference between dependance and addiction is harm. Calling it an addiction is actually just more ANTZ rhetoric.

Do I need to bring up people fighting for their right to drink during prohibition? Puritans have been forcing their "Addiction" rhetoric on people who have a dependance for decades when they are clearly different things and it really needs to stop.
Yes alcohol can be abused to the point that it fits the definition of an addiction. I seriously doubt anyone is having problems getting to work because of their dependance on vaping though so I think you're actually just wrong on the basis that you chose to use the word addiction in the first place.

 

[AndriaD]

Addiction is a condition that results when a person ingests a substance (e.g., alcohol, ......., nicotine) or engages in an activity (e.g., gambling, sex, shopping) that can be pleasurable but the continued use/act of which becomes compulsive and interferes with ordinary life responsibilities, such as work ...

Tell me how vaping is an addiction again?

I'd say it's actually a habit we all enjoy rather than an addiction.

The key difference between dependance and addiction is harm. Calling it an addiction is actually just more ANTZ rhetoric.

Do I need to bring up people fighting for their right to drink during prohibition? Puritans have been forcing their "Addiction" rhetoric on people who have a dependance for decades when they are clearly different things and it really needs to stop.
Yes alcohol can be abused to the point that it fits the definition of an addiction. I seriously doubt anyone is having problems getting to work because of their dependance on vaping though so I think you're actually just wrong on the basis that you chose to use the word addiction in the first place.

Amen. I was so addicted to alcohol I had to stop using it or it was going to kill me QUICK. That doesn't mean that others shouldn't enjoy it -- by far the vast majority of people that enjoy drinking are NOT addicted.

I was once seriously dependent on coffee, too, but I didn't rob or kill anyone to get it, nor rob/kill when I made myself go off it -- though that headache was a real inducement. Now I enjoy it in my tea in the morning, and most of the rest of the time, I drink non-caffeinated beverages -- just as some vapers vape low/zero nic most of the time, but now and then enjoy a stronger blast. Exactly like caffeine.

Andria