Thank you. I am trying my best to keep my head on. When you are constantly short of breath it is a minute to minute battle of trying not to lose your mind and panic. I am doing much better now that my Doctors have me on fast acting anti anxiety medication that I can take on the spot when I really feel the suffocation.
I'm tired of people acting like they drip 18mg
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Lung disease is a miserable terrifying existence. WHen I look back at my life and my decisions to smoke and vape it makes me cringe in the worst way possible. Our breath is the first barrier to the feeling of well being. When it's severely affected it literally shuts down every aspect ersons life. My main goal in all this has been to tell those that are vaping high wattages to be careful. Be safe and protect your precious lungs. Other than the brain the lungs are the most complex organ in the body and medicine is farthest from developing a cure for lung disease more than any other disease. So if your lungs are gone, there is no cure around the corner for you and likely won't be for many many years. My current life is much more than a constant battle with shortness of breath. It's a never ending battle with terror/fear/panic. It's not hard to imagine what it feels like to not be able to get your breath. It's hard/near impossible to imagine what it's like to be about 100 miles beyond that. To be so short of breath that you can't see two feet in front of you. The true sense of terror.
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For you to outright declare as fact that i'm a single isolated case shows how ignorant you really are. Neither you nor I could ever possibly confirm that statement to be true. You know nothing about what is happening right now beyond news articles that your type continues to falsted to protect your precious habit. I've had an ER Dr tell me that he's had an influx of patients who damaged themselves in all sorts of ways including lung by improperly vaping. Just because it's not in a poorly written news article for you to pick apart doesn't mean others haven't hurt themselves in the same way I have. You know nothing, and your comment reeks of troll slop.
What VNeil is saying is that we are all single data points (correct me if I'm wrong). My experience, high nic and low wattage with marked improvement in my health, doesn't prove that vaping is safe in and of itself. In the same way, your experience doesn't prove it to be unsafe. It will only be by taking the preponderance of the evidence with an appropriately sized sample group that we can begin to see the big picture.
I did not say you are a single isolated case. I can't prove a negative, which is what that would require. I did say that there is no evidence that there are enough other data points like yourself to be the general cause of concern you make it out to be.
I only worry about the known data points. I accept the idea that we do not and cannot know everything. I do not fear the unknown. I particularly do not fear all the unknowns that all the anti-vape propaganda is foisting on us. The fact is that we face many unknown potential risks in modern life. Most of those unknown risks are accepted. Others are propagandized and people worry unnecessarily over those specific unknown risks. The propagandized risks are no more cause of concern than the risks we are subtly asked to ignore. It isn't rational but it is what it is in our highly propagandized culture.
You are absolutely correct in your assessment of my position. Especially your last sentence. And my experience is similar to yours, I have had no indications whatsoever of any adverse effects from my near 500 days now of cig-free vaping. Just a slow recovery process by my lungs, damaged by 42 years of heavy smoking.
I know thats what you and everyone out there 'wants' but you're failure to understand the most simple point is that vaping in and of itself is insanely variable. Everyone vapes differently so you will never get a sample size that can be accurately compared to your liking. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. They were able to link smoking cigarettes to disease rather easily because it's a single variable. The standard model for studying smoking is 'Pack years' across the board this gives medicine an reliable data point. "how many packs per day for how many years". How do you expect scientist to study something like vaping where everyone vapes different mg, different devices,coils,wire gauge, etc?
I'd be interested in specific details. Not so much by your vague assertion alone. I get enough of that from anti-vape media propaganda.
And everyone smoked different brands, light, ultra-light and regular, menthol and non-menthol. Filtered and plain. But they managed to figure things out based on a preponderance of evidence. You are making the basic anti-vape argument of "we just don't know..." and now you are suggesting that even if you are right that the risks are very significant, somehow we will never know. There are, at the moment, 9 million vapers in the USA alone (as of last year, surely many more now). If only 1:1000 contract your disease, there will be 9,000 cases in short order. That will not be some sort of silent epidemic that the hand wringers like to suggest.
Literally in the same sentence you say you worry about known data but then go on to say you don't fear the unknown. Then you use the term 'Anti vaping propaganda'. Your comment couldn't possibly sound more biased. Which only continues to prove my point time and time again. I'm done for the day. The same ol ....ty direction this thread is heading is not worth any more of my time today.
I beg to differ, there are many variables in smoking. Filtered, non filtered, full flavored, lights, ultra lights, some 20 per pack, some 25, deep inhalation vs mouth, etc, etc, etc.
Trust me, I certainly don't fail to grasp the concept of variability, but that's true of everything, not just vaping.
@ckquatt As I've remarked before. No amount of money could influence me to be a poster child for either side. BUT if big tobacco ever happened to offer me a pair of fresh lungs. I'd take it in a heartbeat and so would all of you.
No you don't. It's been well established for years that the damage from smoking will catch up to you if you live long enough. You might have staved off COPD for now, but it's coming. Trust and believe. Jut look at the recent story of Leonard Nemoy (Spock) He still got COPD even though he had quit smoking 30 years before. If you think you are out of the woods, think again.
That may well be the case, but staving it off after almost 30 years of smoking is a pretty darn impressive thing in my book. Life is a terminal condition.
I've been aproached by many that say my case is worth big dollar signs but I tell them all the same thing. I'm not interested in money. I am well off financially as well as my family. I am not interested in anything short of a fresh pair of lungs. Since that's an impossible scenario, i'm not interested in spending a single moment of what little precious time I have on this earth in legal proceedings.
I had a kanger sub tank, It sucked. I found the vape to be really harsh at .5 m2l at 3mg nic. I kinda remember trying a 1.2 or 1.5ohm coil in it and it still sucked but don't remember if the vape was harsh ( I don't think it was). At 18mg, I am sure anything would be harsh around 1.2ohms (especially at 20watts).
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