In over my head! In Canada, need help!!!!

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Performance wise on my Volt...... I didn't chain smoke ever and the 24mg cartos give me a buzz off of a few pulls so I am not vaping constantly. That being said, a 78mm battery lasts me almost the whole day with the back up more than compensating for that. Also, with the slider PCC it isn't a problem not having room for cartos, my solution is to keep the rubber end of the carto on my cig so it can sit in my pocket and not pick up lint and my extra cartos sitting in the extra battery slot of the PCC. Very pleased with it :) The pre filled cartos taste great, haven't had an issue with one being "dead" out of the pack but they don't last too long. Can't wait to fill my 1.4ml king size blanks and not worry about running out!!!!
 

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Congratulations! :facepalm:

Did you get any juice to refill your carto? Remember, there's only 1 ml of ejuice in a cartomizer and that goes fast. Don't let it get dry or you'll burn it!

Good luck!

Hey Katya, would love you and Vapoor's feedback on this pic. Vaped this carto until I got a "bad" taste or at least the start of a bad taste. From the pic you can see that the filler is not singed (unrolled it completely and no brown). Plus the filler is still a little wet, squeezed a bit of juice out. But the only part that isn't right is the wire leads (thinking the actual element from the atto?) looking very black and burnt. Bad atto? Or is the first part to burn on an atto in a carto? I know a bad connection will burn this gauge of wire very easily.... or is this the norm? Like I said in my previous post tonight I have juice on the way so now I'm wondering just how often you can fill a blank carto until it is done for. Thanks in advance for your guy's feedback :D
 

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Hi Shane! Wow! You're a pro already. Taking your cartos apart? Congratulations!

No, there's nothing wrong with this cartomizer. What you're looking at is the gunk! The gunk collects on the heating coil as you vape and consists mostly of the sediment your juice drops--flavoring, coloring, sweeteners. Nature of the beast. That dirty wick is actually non-flammable. If you don't believe me, take a cigarette lighter or a torch to it and hold the wick in the flame for a while; it should turn white again. I've done that a thousand times. That process is known as dry burning. Alas, you can't dry burn a cartomizer coil without burning the filler, so that little experimant can only be conducted post mortem.

How does that carto taste? How long have you been using it?

EDIT: I was typing too fast. Dry burning is a different process, of course, no torch is involved. You just heat up the dry coil (on the battery) until the gunk turns to ash. Can only be done with atomizers/clearomizers etc.
 
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Hi Shane! Wow! You're a pro already. Taking your cartos apart? Congratulations!

No, there's nothing wrong with this cartomizer. What you're looking at is the gunk! The gunk collects on the heating coil as you vape and consists mostly of the sediment your juice drops--flavoring, coloring, sweeteners. Nature of the beast. That dirty wick is actually non-flammable. If you don't believe me, take a cigarette lighter or a torch to it and hold the wick in the flame for a while; it should turn white again. I've done that a thousand times. That process is known as dry burning. Alas, you can't dry burn a cartomizer coil without burning the filler, so that little experimant can only be conducted post mortem.

How does that carto taste? How long have you been using it?

Was starting to taste a bit "burnt". I am definitely going to try your experiment here, but thinking the wire was still burning a bit. I have a lot of experience with burning metal (I am a machinist, and also a "blader" if you know what I mean ;) Wick is not burnt either, hard to tell from the pic I know. I figured there would be product burn but from close up it seems to be only on the coil of the wire, that's why I was thinking it may be the connection. Going to take apart some more, that will definitely help diagnose this but for now am going to take your word as you are far more experienced than I! Thanks for getting back Katya, I've been paranoid as hell of burning them, partly thanks to you lol ;) After all, I'm doing this to not put burnt crap in my lungs!!!

The other reason I thought this is the wire pulled right off the atto with no effort, one end is a bit white....
 
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Well, I know those cartos inside and out, I was one of the beta testers of the Bloog cartomizers when they were first introduced (volt is a Bloog clone). I can show you our comments and autopsy pictures, if you're interested.

The problem with ALL cartomizers is that they are disposable; initially they were not even meant to be refilled, just vaped till empty and tossed. I never put more than 5-9 ml of ejuice through a carto--they just cant's handle it. Many people try to clean and reuse them, but it really isn't a good idea.

I have pretty much switched to fillerless, where I can see the liquid and replace the coil (and clean it outside the unit). No more guesswork.
 

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Well, I know those cartos inside and out, I was one of the beta testers of the Bloog cartomizers when they were first introduced (volt is a Bloog clone). I can show you our comments and autopsy pictures, if you're interested.

The problem with ALL cartomizers is that they are disposable; initially they were not even meant to be refilled, just vaped till empty and tossed. I never put more than 5-9 ml of ejuice through a carto--they just cant's handle it. Many people try to clean and reuse them, but it really isn't a good idea.

I have pretty much switched to fillerless, where I can see the liquid and replace the coil (and clean it outside the unit). No more guesswork.

Perfect answer! I was thinking it couldn't be too long because of the price, the gauge of wire and the fact they are "disposable". Glad I ordered another five with my first juice, that makes ten blanks and now I have a good idea of their life line. I'm thinking the coil is stainless? With blading, I am 100% silver now because of the low amount of transfer metal, extreme long life compared to SS and no harsh ... coating to get rid of. Like I said in another post, I love innovating and I already have a couple good ideas of how to make a more efficient, long lasting carto :p Will have to make a few, see how it goes, this is why I have a mini lathe heh heh :D
 

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P I'm thinking the coil is stainless? With blading, I am 100% silver now because of the low amount of transfer metal, extreme long life compared to SS and no harsh ... coating to get rid of. Like I said in another post, I love innovating and I already have a couple good ideas of how to make a more efficient, long lasting carto :p Will have to make a few, see how it goes, this is why I have a mini lathe heh heh :D

The coil is nichrome.

You should join the modders forum! Those guys are fantastic. And they make the coolest toys, rebuildable atties, cotton wicks, ss mesh wicks.:facepalm:

The brave new world.
 

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This one may have arced a bit, have you heard of this before?

As Katya said you really are a Pro, taking things apart and such. Kudos :thumbs:
Many delivery devices in regards to the element have a "hot" spot. As Katya stated these are mass produced and QC/ quality control has always been an issue.
My history of using delivery devices- realize I use 510 threaded PVs while yours is 808:
When I first began vaping I used Boge 2.0 ohm single coil cartos (1 ml). After 1 month I switched to Smok Tech XL 1.7 single coil cartos (1.8 ml). Next I used a carto+and tank (3ml) setup. When the cracking and wicking issues were resolved I got into Startdusts (1.6 ml). I now use the Mini Vivi Nova (2.0 ml) rebuildables as I feel they give a better draw and are far superior in quality.
The main reason many of us move up from cartos is because of the task of continually re filling them. There is a learning curve but a tank+ carto helps keep the filler fully saturated. Think of a hot water tank- if the heating element is turned out before the tank is full of water it will burn out. I know that there are "clearo" type delivery devices for the Volts. The problem is there's just so much stuff out there it boggles the mind. It also appears some have great success with PV delivery devices while others have such a hard time. It seems you're in the former group :D I've always believed that vaping successfully involved a huge amount of research. Before I even ordered my first PV I had spent a solid 200 hrs researching. By the time it arrived I'd spent another 150+ hrs researching. When it arrived all the parts were like old friends. I was up and vaping withing minutes BUT, needless to say, I still burned out my first two cartos because they weren't fully saturated. Thanks very much for the update. I am just so AMAZED at how quickly you are moving forward.

Edit: Funny as I was just looking at the title of this thread...
"In over my head! In Canada, need help!!!!"
Talk about a transition from Post # 1 :D
 
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Hmm that doesn't sound pleasant, maybe I should just get a tank system from the start. I'm currently looking at the ion that has come up in a ad on this site, it says you can upgrade to an atomizer and drip tip? Is this like a tank system? BTW, you are a sweet heart for helping me thank you so much :)

As a fellow newbie, I'd say don't be afraid of going the prefilled route. You can burn a cartomizer but you have to work at it. Yeah, I've burned one. But just one.

My experience is, when the flavor gets really weak, don't think you can "suck out" more. Stop. Put that one aside. And I say "put it aside" because you can refill them. If you don't scorch them. There's a whole bunch of videos on YouTube about this and it looks pretty easy. So when mine "run out", I set them aside. Some folks around here pointed out a vape shop not too far from me that I had no idea existed. I'm going to run up there soon and check out their juices. The prefilled can't last forever but you can extend their lives. And you can buy ones that have no juice and fill 'em yourself.

Main thing, for us newbies, they're easy. You screw it on the battery and off you go. Then as you learn about this stuff and gain confidence, you can move up. That's what I'm planning on.

The big thing I've noticed is this:

Katya said:
It has a 510 connection, so you can use any 510 threaded cartomizer with it, including the 510-T (that has a tank, as opposed to polyfill).

That "510" thing? What I've pieced together is there are a few popular standards and you're going to want to try to get a feel for which one seems to have the best options for you. Yah, not easy to judge when you're just starting out but I mean, like, if you go poking around the web for the "510", just about everybody has stuff in that standard. It's pretty widespread. There are a few others like that. I'd say try to narrow down to just a couple that seem to have... lots of "stuff" available so as you get to know more, you can add on.

Least that's what I'm thinking. I have a Blu. Which I bought before I found the forum here (oh I wish I'd found the ECF first). But the 510 is common enough, I'm not stuck. I can "migrate" away from Blu. Don't have to toss the whole thing and start over.

(Though one of my two batteries? I'm not going to toss it. I'm going to take it out and hack it with an axe while laughing like a crazy person. One works rather well, one picks a random number for how long it's going to hold a charge. Often that number is so close to zero, the "draw" I get would take advanced scientific equipment to measure. Other times, when it feels like it, it works okay. I never know.)

Far as Blu goes? No. Just... no.

Mine's working... okay. I'm getting decent use out of it. But it is flaky. I'm coming to the conclusion Blu spent more time on the "cool" factor and not enough on the "make it work" part. And I haven't had to deal with their customer service yet but they have a bad rep on the Net. Long hold times and not all that helpful when you get through. Lot of folks have whole kits that are crap and squabble with Blu about returning them. The quality control seems hit or miss.

Too bad too. It is a sharp looking product and has a "cool" factor. But I would never have bought one if I'd found this forum first. If Blu would get their customer service beefed up and their QA better, they'd have a nice product. Apparently, though, their newest effort is "social features".

Huh? What? My e-cig is gonna post to Facebook? <eye roll>

I've since found 510 starter kits for half the price from vendors folks around here say are good.

On the other hand, I am getting decent use out of it. There are options. I don't have to toss the whole thing and start over. And the cost of the kit wasn't any worse than a carton of regular cigs.

And it's early still but I started a little spreadsheet to see what the cost is up against what I used to spend on regular cigs. Haven't gotten far and it's already half as expensive. And that's buying some of my prefilled at local stores that charge more than Blu direct.

It wasn't the worst purchase I've ever made. I should reach "break even" pretty fast. I've gone through about $20 worth of cartridges in a period during which I would have likely gone through near $50 in regular cigs. That's not bad. If I do the refill and empty carto thing, I could bring that down even more.

Anyway.

One more thing, you have to figure out if you want "cig-a-like" or not. Meaning form factor. The "cig-a-like" is made to imitate regular cigs. Myself, I like that. There's a psychological/habit thing about smoking and I suspect one reason I transitioned pretty easily (which startled me, I was a heavy smoker) is the "cig-a-like" is... well, it's kind of a "psych out". Tricking my brain. :)

Seriously, I even got an ashtray (an unused, clean one) to hold the Blu while I'm "smoking". Catch myself sometimes flicking imaginary ashes even. :)

But I was between one and a half to two packs a day. That dropped like it went over a cliff to maybe three total regular cigs a day. Yesterday, I ran completely out of tobacco cigs. I haven't had the urge to race out the door to the nearest convenience store. I may let myself get a pack today. Being I was a heavy smoker, I think the level of nicotine in the Blu isn't quite enough. It's like I need a "boost" in the morning with one or two regular cigs then I can vape the rest of the day. Or most of it. Once I did one regular cig around lunch time. That was the three total.

I'm going to look into higher nicotine content e-liquids at the vapor shop. I think the kit I have is aimed at people who did a pack a day or less.

Still, for all Blu's faults, I went from being almost a "chain smoker" to two or three cigs per day without even trying.

So I'll always have a bit of a soft spot for them. :)
 
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