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BigJimW

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Article on e-cigs in this week's Parade magazine, a widely read magazine in the U.S. that's included with many Sunday newspapers:

ECigarettes Can They Help You Quit | Parade.com

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The big problem I see is the people that proclaim these are something that will help you STOP smoking are the same people that will ultimately kill it with the claims.

Electronic Cigarettes. The 21st Century answer, guided by idiots.
 

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This Parade article will be read by more people than all the blogs combined. And it does conclude the same as every other fair and balanced report. It's hard to argue with the truth. But I find this graf most disturbing:

Dr. Jack Henningfield, an expert on addiction who serves as a scientific adviser on tobacco to the World Health Organization (WHO), calls e-cigarettes "renegade products" for which "we have no scientific information." The electronic cigarette, he says, is a vehicle to deliver nicotine to the body. Its effects, he says, "are not benign," especially when breathed into the lungs.

There's a thread now in Nicotine about the health differences between inhaled nicotine and absorbed nicotine. That should be concerning to all now vaping.
 

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Instead of being concerned about the possible effects of inhaling nicotine into our lungs, why can't they instead focus on what we're not inhaling into our lungs by using PVs instead of cigarettes? What bugs me -- and I've seen this in several 'news stories' -- is when they drag out a medical professional who says, basically, we don't know if they're safe[r] or not. It turns into a FUD piece. Well... we do know the risks of smoking cigarettes. And unless it turns out that the cartridge filling in e-cigs is made of asbestos, then there is no way they are worse.

The concern about inhaled nicotine applies to both delivery methods. But vaping eliminates the myriad other chemicals, including tar and carbon monoxide. We all know that nicotine inhalation is not a recommended part of a healthy lifestyle. But face the facts that a great many of us 'smokers' are going to inhale nicotine one way or the other. That hand-to-mouth and inhaling habit is as much a part of the addiction as the chemical dependence on nicotine. Which is worse?
 

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is when they drag out a medical professional who says, basically, we don't know if they're safe[r] or not. It turns into a FUD piece.

Yeah, we've seen that tactic used again and again. We're supposed to be deathly afraid of the PV because there's "no proof it's safer" but we're supposed to go happily along smoking analogues, which we know make people sick and kill them. Any critical thinker would see the problem, but the sad fact is that most people aren't critical thinkers.
 

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The author, Dr. Ranit Mishori, looks to be a regular go-to doc for media-driven health questions, and is married to John Donvan of ABC's Nightline. There's an office address out there for her, in case anyone wants to point out the other side of the argument via snail mail. I guess it could have been worse; when BF announced, "Hm, Parade article, Can E-Cigs Help You Quit" and laughed (I quit 2 months ago), I figured it'd include the bit about PG being in antifreeze. They did slip in that odious "flavors will start children smoking" nonsense, and did not mention zero-nic liquids.

TropicalBob's unfortunately right... this will be read far and wide. Doesn't seem to be any kind of e-mail address in Parade itself for rebuttals, not that they'd give a flip. Should I be laughing or crying because this thing contains pages and pages of pharma ads and "statements not evaluated by the FDA" ads for various nostrums?
 

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down at the bottom of the page, right above the "MORE FROM PARADE" section, is the add comments link. You will have to register to leave a comment.
Not in the Fort Worth paper, there's a " visit us at" tag at the bottom left. Annnnnnnnnyway,they don't print any comments from readers except mindless questions about celebs.
It's so weird, every negative article use's the catch phrases, kid flavors & without more evidence. (I've got so much to say on this subject but type so dam slow) We,the e-cig user sees this & say "There they go again!". The anti-do-anything-I-dont-do groups say "It's a well stated fact". I do believe the industry it self is it's own worse enemy. For 1, the cheesy names, tags lines, & packaging they put on these things to draw attention says Ronco all over it. My 1rst thought "what kinda piece a crap fad is this?" & I refused to even look at them. That, bringing up the quaility,is going to generate negative feelings because the "it might or might not work" factor is so prevalent. I love these things,the concept is genius,but it's a poorly made piece of junk. The mods are more reliable,but lose the appeal in design,though some are pretty sleek looking. but I'm getting off track.
In short, the Parade article,though it's basicly a reprint of quotes with a random thought added here or there, is a hard hit for the supporters of the E-cigarette. Only time will tell
 
I read in the San Francisco Chronicle today and went to the online version. I added a few paragraphs of response and submitted - right now "0" show, as there's an approval delay. Hopefully some responses will start to appear and become part of the online record.

3 common misconceptions/misinformations appear repeatedly in these kinds of pieces, which I agree border on fluff:

1. E-cig's are advertised as a way to "quit" smoking.

For nearly all users I've spoken to or read of (here) the use is primarily as an alternative that serves the interest and need to change practice and behavior and in addition indeed, reduce or "quit" smoking tobacco ... but not because of a desparate grab at an ad promising anything. Choice is driving the market right now - not the advertisement as a cessation system, IMO. I could choose to chew 500 packs of gum a day, if I thought it would be an alternative.

Not to mention the fact that any doofus who does any degree of due diligence on the topic will quickly realize that users of e-cigarettes aren't exactly being duped by dumb-downed ad promises of magical immedate results - look at this forum...clearly anyone who chooses to try the e-cig for any period of time will need the patience of Job, the determination of Noah and the forgiveness of Jesus to get through even reading the instructions to the d-mned things let alone survive a few months of successful use which may end up requiring an Act of God to even get delivery on an order, by some report. And those are the ones who will end up saying they "like it" and think it's "fun". (An active and well funded credit card, a degree in chemistry and a few semesters of electronics won't hurt either). So clearly there's some self-guided and motivated use going on here. With the e-cig. IMO.


2. Flavorings market to underaged non-smokers.


Flavorings and the marketing of them appeal to smokers, not non-users. There's a fundamental misunderstanding of the tobacco/e-cig smokers market by those who state this, IMO.

3. Deliberate denial by non-recognition of the plain fact that while tobacco smoking is a nicotine delivery system that is proven dangerous and lethal - IT CONTINUES TO BE MARKETED, SOLD AND TAXED LEGALLY - even as e-cigarettes are taken to task and threatened. This complete denial of reality and transparent hypocrisy is so rediculous I have to wonder if there's a reasonable medical opinion even possible and if the tobacco industry hasn't indeed funded and fueled every e-cig news release seen thus far. I'm not a conspiracy prone person but.....y'know sometimes I wonder who's gettin' zoomed by who and for how much.
 
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I wrote a fairly lengthy comment for Parade but not sure if it went through or not. I dont think it did because when I clicked submit it took me to the login screen. Will wait to see if it gets posted or not. If not, I'll resubmit.

For those that cant see the comment link, try this http://www.parade.com/opencms/reade...y-or-not.html&pageNumber=0&refreshParent=true (not sure if it will work or not, but hopefully it will)
 
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newbutt

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That's odd. Maybe the "submit comment" thing only shows if youre in a region that printed the article? Article was in today's Tulsa World edition of Parade.
I believe each newspaper prints their own Parade & edits it for their regional ads.
 

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Articals like this one really ticks me.
I have tried to locate this so called doctor's email and I could not. I would like to let her know of the sucess of these cigarette alternitives.
I started vaping almost 2 weeks ago and have cut my analogs down to 1/3 of what I usaualy smoke. I did not get these for quiting but for work but after thinking about all the junk that I was taking in an anologs it was a no brainer to try to switch.
Whay are their no stories like mine ar yalls in the papers!!
If any one can find her email address please pm me withi so I can vent to her!!
Thanks
 
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