In your own opinion rda

[JMarca]

But at least the maker of the Temple took an idea from the Velocity and improved it without flat out ripping it off. Just because they used the post design, it doesn't make it the same atty nor do they perform the same.

Isn't it sad though that the Velocity is at the top of the Best of 2015 poll in the website, Guide to vaping. Even though the vast majority own a clone and have never even tried much cheaper and more widely available authentics. Even though they are just as good if not better. And even though the Temple can be had for $40 to $60, most people are still buying the clone. But why arent they buying a clone of the Crown or TFV4? Thats right. Because Tobeco made their own Supertank instead of making a clone of a tank.



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That's my point they're all clones of each other, so who really cares?
If someone can get a 150 dollar vape for 20 bucks why are we calling them out? In fact, that temple clone probably came off same factory who was mass-producing the authentic. It's all being produced in China anyway.

For the record Dino and Co. did a great job on the Velocity, if they won the award well deserved, no reason to hate on them, if it was a ....ty product then maybe but it's quite a good vape. The fact that it's being cloned in both the authentic and clone market is a testament to that!

 

[Kevin littell]

If frogs had wings they wouldn't bust their ... every time they jumped too.

 

[Oberon75]

That's my point they're all clones of each other, so who really cares?
If someone can get a 150 dollar vape for 20 bucks why are we calling them out? In fact, that temple clone probably came off same factory who was mass-producing the authentic. It's all being produced in China anyway.

For the record Dino and Co. did a great job on the Velocity, if they won the award well deserved, no reason to hate on them, if it was a ....ty product then maybe but it's quite a good vape. The fact that it's being cloned in both the authentic and clone market is a testament to that!

The Velocity won the award for the same reason Sigelei won best Regulated mod of 2015. Its mostly hype. I'm not saying its a bad atty but what happened here is the masses saw a product with a $115 price tag, bought a $15 knockoff and assume its the best thing on the planet because the authentic costs $115. Living in Detroit, I know a lot of machinists and die makers. A few of them chuckled when I showed them expensive atomizers like this. But regardless of the price, I still dont believe in a clone.

And even if you take something like the Temple. It might be made in china but don't know that for sure. What I do know though is the company Vaperz Cloud who designed it are out of Virgina. They also designed the Buddah and the Glacier. So even if they are outsourcing. You are still supporting an America company.

Same goes for the Alliance which is a collaboration between Fogwind and Vaporgate. You can bet that all three of these companies have played their part for our advocacy. Now what do you think Tobeco has done for us besides take money away from all of these companies?



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[addappt]

No. New and competitive products drive innovation and lower price because they can push a bigger volume. Clones have just created a mass market of people who refuse to buy authentic just because they can get the clone cheaper.

When most shops either wont stock authentics or only do so in very limited amounts while still having a 90%+ clone inventory, thats a serious problem.

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No? Lol ok mate.

 

[Oberon75]

Now this is awesome. Its from one of the B&M's in my area. It's nice to see shops getting some of those clones the hell out of here.

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[JMarca]

The Velocity won the award for the same reason Sigelei won best Regulated mod of 2015. Its mostly hype.

It's a great vape, if it wasn't everyone else wouldn't be coping them, not sure what vendetta you have against them but that's another story.

I'm not saying its a bad atty but what happened here is the masses saw a product with a $115 price tag, bought a $15 knockoff and assume its the best thing on the planet because the authentic costs $115.

You just did say it was all hype though, but whatever. To them it is the best thing on earth, they saved 100 bucks! If that's what it takes to potentially save a few lives and get people vaping, I'm all for it!
Now, say you like to collect and buy authentics for that reason, more power to you. But looking down on anyone who buys a Chinese clone of a mod of which it's authentic counterpart was also originally made in China that's ludicrous.

And for the record the only reason we have such cheap authentics these days is the same reason Apple can put out a phone and only really spend 125 - 190 dollars to make one, yet they still sell them for 750-1250 dollars... it's Designed here in the US but it's mass-produced in China. The majority of those vendors are only getting half (if even that at all) of the profits (unlike Apple just had to highlight that, Apple is a monster all it's own).

Now what do you think Tobeco has done for us besides take money away from all of these companies?

They put vape gear in the hands of people who would otherwise never try the product at all?

 

[JMarca]

double post sorry

 

[Oberon75]

It's a great vape, if it wasn't everyone else wouldn't be coping them, not sure what vendetta you have against them but that's another story.



You just did say it was all hype though, but whatever. To them it is the best thing on earth, they saved 100 bucks! If that's what it takes to potentially save a few lives and get people vaping, I'm all for it!
Now, say you like to collect and buy authentics for that reason, more power to you. But looking down on anyone who buys a Chinese clone of a mod of which it's authentic counterpart was also originally made in China that's ludicrous.

And for the record the only reason we have such cheap authentics these days is the same reason Apple can put out a phone and only really spend 125 - 190 dollars to make one, yet they still sell them for 750-1250 dollars... it's Designed here in the US but it's mass-produced in China. The majority of those vendors are only getting half (if even that at all) of the profits (unlike Apple just had to highlight that, Apple is a monster all it's own).



They put vape gear in the hands of people who would otherwise never try the product at all?

$15 for a knockoff of an overpriced authentic isn't saving lives and people who vape aren't all of a sudden going to smoke because they cant get an RDA at the cost of two packs of smokes. If that was the case, the TFV4 wouldnt be the most popular atty around right now without clone competition and a $50 price tag.

And I don't have a vendetta against them. I just think their prices are part of the clone plague. I would actually rather see people buy the authentic than support the likes of Tobeco. Its bad for our industry. And one of the most recent arguments I had with the Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids on their Facebook page was about companies like Tobeco. This was recently brought up by a liberal politician as well.

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[JMarca]

$15 for a knockoff of an overpriced authentic isn't saving lives and people who vape aren't all of a sudden going to smoke because they cant get an RDA at the cost of two packs of smokes. If that was the case, the TFV4 wouldnt be the most popular atty around right now without clone competition and a $50 price tag.

And I don't have a vendetta against them. I just think their prices are part of the clone plague. I would actually rather see people buy the authentic than support the likes of Tobeco. Its bad for our industry. And one of the most recent arguments I had with the Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids on their Facebook page was about companies like Tobeco. This was recently brought up by a liberal politician as well.

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Tobeco, Joyetech, Sigelei, uLeaf, EHPro, Vapegeek, Compvape, UD, HCigar these are all companies that by either their main name or other "sister" entity produce not only China made Authentics but also clones. They realize there are 2 completely different markets and choose to be in both. The same clone maker some company out in California contracts to make their new and upcoming authentic is also the same one producing the clones. If you get rid of them where would your China made authentics come from?

 

[H3artl3ss696]

I own these RDA and I'm listing via favorite to least

Velocity

Mutation V4

Hellboy

Mephisto RDA

I own three boxes as well again favorite to least.

Sigeli 150 Temp control

Sigeli 150

God Mod.

My favorite build I own is the Velocity on my Sigeli 150 temp control. The temp control version is smaller considerably than the older model, and is much more accurate when it comes to the resistance!

The ohms stay average on my box around .38-.39 but I used the ohms check which brought it to a more accurate setting. That's one more reason I love it.

 

[Oberon75]

Tobeco, Joyetech, Sigelei, uLeaf, EHPro, Vapegeek, Compvape, UD, HCigar these are all companies that by either their main name or other "sister" entity produce not only China made Authentics but also clones. They realize there are 2 completely different markets and choose to be in both. The same clone maker some company out in California contracts to make their new and upcoming authentic is also the same one producing the clones. If you get rid of them where would your China made authentics come from?

So then clone your own products and leave other peoples things alone. I watch people get ripped off all the time because of clones and right now there is a whole lot of confusion in my Hex Ohm group. Especially with this so called Hex Ohm v3 that has hit the market. And just the other day in Juice Junkies, I had to break somebody's heart and tell them their Hana wasnt real.

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[JMarca]

Scumbag sellers that's a whole other topic, and yes I agree!

But, it's not the fabricators building the clones, selling clones off as authentics, and ripping people off. They make the product when an order comes in. The client can specifically ask for their name or the original name and logo. It's the shady sellers who deceive people... the clones are going to happen either way, where there is demand the supply will follow. But if you get rid of them good luck, they're the same people you call to make your authentics at a cheap price. Same people also innovate and bring their own stuff usually branded by their main name and if you notice no one bothers to clone those.

 

[crxess]

Well that could be a result of the cheap velocity knockoffs. If you buy a 5 dollar clone expecting vape nirvana you will likely be disappointed. Mine is a tobeco and the quality is good.

ummm..........okay

 

[PapaGeno21]

Well this thread escalated quickly lol.

I'm all for clones. I refuse to spend 115 on a velocity even after knowing how awesome the vape is. But I'll happily spend 15 bucks on one. In the end wether you hate the clones or not half the time you can't even tell the difference. I owned some GP mech mods that were authentic and when FT came out with the 16 dollar clone I bought it, realized they were identical and sold all my real ones.

Sometimes the clones even fix problems the authentics have.
And the other thing that is scary is what was just mentioned above. Crappy sellers screwing people, you don't know what your getting anymore when half the people in the vape industry are pretty damn shady. The way the local stores here charge people for knock offs gives the whole industry a bad name. It's so sad. Seen people paying 50 bucks for knockoff attys you can get for 12 online....

Just my 2 cents.

 

[KeepNitReel]

Generic prescription drugs are clones and affordable to the vast majority that can't afford the original
Grocery store brand items are clones as they always say compare to such and such brand and the product is sitting right next to the real deal.
Buying/making a clone isn't putting anyone out business or hurting R&D. If so, brand named pharmaceutical companies would be bankrupted.

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[Asbestos4004]

I miss the days when I'd kick sand in the faces of people who smoked knock off cigarettes while I enjoyed the full satisfaction of an American Marlboro.

wait........that never happened. My bad.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Generic prescription drugs are clones and affordable to the vast majority that can't afford the original
Grocery store brand items are clones as they always say compare to such and such brand and the product is sitting right next to the real deal.
Buying/making a clone isn't putting anyone out business or hurting R&D. If so, brand named pharmaceutical companies would be bankrupted.

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I think we should start calling them generic atomizers.

 

[baaadjustin]

I have the Rx200 and love it also. As for rda never thought I'd jump on the bandwagon but love my velocity. More than enough airflow, lots of room and flavor.

Velocity is great another one to consider is the glacier 2, velocity build deck, better flavor

 

[baaadjustin]

I payed $12 for mine.

I got ripped I paid 15

 

[baaadjustin]

I miss the days when I'd kick sand in the faces of people who smoked knock off cigarettes while I enjoyed the full satisfaction of an American Marlboro.

wait........that never happened. My bad.

I was a pall mall guy, that explains why I like clones