Innokin Owners Group Thread

[awsum140]

Thing of it is, I do think LiPO packs will take over in vaping, maybe slowly, but it will happen. There are 6000mah LiPo packs available now and that would last most people two days or more. Yes, they're more expensive but not prohibitively. The other thing is that their discharge curve is "flatter" than IMR, they maintain full voltage with load better than IMR. I know, with VV/VW/TC who cares, but it even helps those electronics as well.

I know Innokin makes the SVD, and VTR, which take 18650 batteries and aren't truly proprietary. But, if you think of how Innokin has started, the VV/VW was proprietary with a magnetic head. Thankfully they changed that to a fixed Ego/510. The VTR was "optimized" for their tanks, iClear series which made it sort of proprietary. Now they're trying again with the Disrupter but at least are introducing LiPo as part of that.

Again, I'd love to see the VTR in a 40 watt, temperature controlled version that also takes at least a 22mm tank. That, to me, would be the best of all worlds. In the mean time, I'm working on my own version of exactly that. If I can't buy what I want, I'll d&^% well make it!

 

[motordude]

Now I have 3 SVD 2's in my desk drawer. I can not believe these prices lately.
I will have to be a classic innokin fan for ever now.
NO more buying for awhile.

 

[Eric Auer]

Honestly the reason most people buy 18650 battery mods is because they already have the batteries and chargers.

If youre like me and have none, staying with LiPo makes more sense.

I get 2 days out of a MVP20W.

Eric

 

[DavidOck]

Now I have 3 SVD 2's in my desk drawer. I can not believe these prices lately.
I will have to be a classic innokin fan for ever now.
NO more buying for awhile.

Uh huh...

 

[DavidOck]

Honestly the reason most people buy 18650 battery mods is because they already have the batteries and chargers.

If youre like me and have none, staying with LiPo makes more sense.

I get 2 days out of a MVP20W.

Eric

Heck, we're all different, and have different likes and dislikes. And, to me, that's a good thing.

And Awsum, you may well be right in your surmise that lipos will take over - but if/when they do, I hope they standardize on a form factor and connection method. Yes, they do have some advantages, but for me, at this time, their disadvantages outweigh those.

Much as I think the 510 connection is inferior to the eGo thread - much less mechanical strength - at least I know that (well, other than the odd ball length issue...) all my toppers will fit all my mods. I like the versatility that gives me.

 

[awsum140]

Form factor for LiPo is a problem that will need to be resolved. It seems they are, basically, hand assembled from scratch which allows for a lot of variation. Add to that the fact that they can be easily made to conform to a specific shape and it gets messy. I'm working on a DNA200 mod and have designed an oversized battery case, deliberately, to handle variations in real size versus spec size and allow for a bigger capacity battery.

 

[motordude]

It is exciting to see the innovation that is coming out. I just like to see what tc does in the future. I never buy the latest and greatest. I am to tight to buy something that has not been proven.
I hope the fda doesn't mess it all up.

 

[AndriaD]

But do Lipo batteries last any longer than IMR's? If they don't, then they are basically 3 times as expensive for the same amount of use.

YES! I have a 2000mAh and 2250mAh IMR batteries; they last *almost* a full day. My 2200mAh iSticks and 2000mAh Coolfire4, if used all day long, aren't even halfway discharged.

Andria

 

[Oregon Linda]

YES! I have a 2000mAh and 2250mAh IMR batteries; they last *almost* a full day. My 2200mAh iSticks and 2000mAh Coolfire4, if used all day long, aren't even halfway discharged.

Andria

I must chain vape a lot more than you, Andria. My iStick 30w lasts about 7 hours. But I get pretty much the same time, if not a bit longer, from a Sammy 25R in my SVD 2.0. So they feel real similar to me. I do get more vape time from my MVP 20W - about 8-8 1/2 hours - but it has a 2600 mah battery. So at least with my own vaping, I'm not seeing a clear superiority in vaping time with the lipos. That really disappointed me when I got my istick.

But I think for me, lately I've just been buying mods with external batteries because I have absolutely no faith in politicians or the FDA not to totally screw things up for the vaping community. If there comes a time when we can't buy mods, then the days of what we own are numbered if they have internal batteries. Not so with mods with external batteries. So I've been making sure to put some of my vape budget in more of those mods lately just so I have an emergency stash.

 

[Puff2K]

I must chain vape a lot more than you, Andria. My iStick 30w lasts about 7 hours. But I get pretty much the same time, if not a bit longer, from a Sammy 25R in my SVD 2.0. So they feel real similar to me. I do get more vape time from my MVP 20W - about 8-8 1/2 hours - but it has a 2600 mah battery. So at least with my own vaping, I'm not seeing a clear superiority in vaping time with the lipos. That really disappointed me when I got my istick.

But I think for me, lately I've just been buying mods with external batteries because I have absolutely no faith in politicians or the FDA not to totally screw things up for the vaping community. If there comes a time when we can't buy mods, then the days of what we own are numbered if they have internal batteries. Not so with mods with external batteries. So I've been making sure to put some of my vape budget in more of those mods lately just so I have an emergency stash.

I get about the same amount of time out of my istick 30 and MVP 20 as you, Linda. I use my mods very heavily. I haven't yet bought any with external batteries but I should.

 

[AndriaD]

I must chain vape a lot more than you, Andria. My iStick 30w lasts about 7 hours. But I get pretty much the same time, if not a bit longer, from a Sammy 25R in my SVD 2.0. So they feel real similar to me. I do get more vape time from my MVP 20W - about 8-8 1/2 hours - but it has a 2600 mah battery. So at least with my own vaping, I'm not seeing a clear superiority in vaping time with the lipos. That really disappointed me when I got my istick.

But I think for me, lately I've just been buying mods with external batteries because I have absolutely no faith in politicians or the FDA not to totally screw things up for the vaping community. If there comes a time when we can't buy mods, then the days of what we own are numbered if they have internal batteries. Not so with mods with external batteries. So I've been making sure to put some of my vape budget in more of those mods lately just so I have an emergency stash.

Heh.. maybe our definitions of chainvaping are different; I noticed quite a while ago that if I take too many hits straight in a row, the later ones just don't taste good -- I don't know if it's rapid-onset tastebud fatigue, or I'm overstressing my tight-draw tootle-puff hardware, but after about 2, or at the most, 3 hits in a row, it stops tasting good. It was probably when I started noticing that, last summer sometime, that I went from 9mg to 10mg, so that fewer hits would provide similar satisfaction.

Also there's the fact that I never go over 10w, or 10.5w at the very most, and generally use coils in the 1.5Ω-1.8Ω range, occasionally as low as 1.3Ω. But I still get at least twice the runtime from the iSticks and the CF4, as I get from the IMRs, even slightly more than twice as long, though I use the same wattage settings whether it's the iStick/CF4 or my Sigelei Zmax.

Andria

 

[Oregon Linda]

Yes, I should probably go back up on my nic levels and see if I vape less. I've been at 3 mg for quite awhile now. But when I was higher I would have too many nights when I couldn't get to sleep, and lowering it eliminated that problem.

I'm also a tootle puffer - I vape at 8-10w most of the time. I'm not sure I've ever been above 13w on purpose. So I'm not sure why the Zmax wouldn't last as long. A less efficient chip? What battery do you use in it?

 

[DavidOck]

But I think for me, lately I've just been buying mods with external batteries because I have absolutely no faith in politicians or the FDA not to totally screw things up for the vaping community. If there comes a time when we can't buy mods, then the days of what we own are numbered if they have internal batteries. Not so with mods with external batteries. So I've been making sure to put some of my vape budget in more of those mods lately just so I have an emergency stash.

Same feelings here, Linda. They could stamp out hardware (and innovation), but they'd have a hard time banning 18650s...

Of course, if Awsum would make us each one of his custom mods... since there really are a lot of lipos in use in RC, they'd be hard to ban as well!

 

[DavidOck]

Yes, I should probably go back up on my nic levels and see if I vape less. I've been at 3 mg for quite awhile now. But when I was higher I would have too many nights when I couldn't get to sleep, and lowering it eliminated that problem.

I'm also a tootle puffer - I vape at 8-10w most of the time. I'm not sure I've ever been above 13w on purpose. So I'm not sure why the Zmax wouldn't last as long. A less efficient chip? What battery do you use in it?

Have flavors in different levels. Higher nic for daytime, lower for evening? (Or same flavor in different levels.)

IIRC, 10 is the low end of the mod wompers, so 8 - 10 (my typical settings as well) makes us tootle wompers

 

[Oregon Linda]

Have flavors in different levels. Higher nic for daytime, lower for evening? (Or same flavor in different levels.)

IIRC, 10 is the low end of the mod wompers, so 8 - 10 (my typical settings as well) makes us tootle wompers

That's a good suggestion. I DIY my ejuice, so it would be a simple matter to keep a bottle of 6mg for morning and early afternoon, then go to the lower nic in the evening. Sometimes I miss that little bit of extra hit that higher nic gives me. But I also enjoy getting more flavor from the lower nic. I guess changing up would be getting the best of both worlds.

Tootle wompers - that's a new one! But I never seem to fit very neatly into any classification.

 

[DavidOck]

Tootle wompers - that's a new one! But I never seem to fit very neatly into any classification.

And that's a GOOD classification to fit into

(Actually, puffer mod doesn't have the same "ring" to it as tootle womper...)

 

[Oregon Linda]

Yeah, I kinda like tootle womper!

 

[AndriaD]

Yes, I should probably go back up on my nic levels and see if I vape less. I've been at 3 mg for quite awhile now. But when I was higher I would have too many nights when I couldn't get to sleep, and lowering it eliminated that problem.

I'm also a tootle puffer - I vape at 8-10w most of the time. I'm not sure I've ever been above 13w on purpose. So I'm not sure why the Zmax wouldn't last as long. A less efficient chip? What battery do you use in it?

I have some Efest 18650s, though I don't use them too much anymore, they just make the mods so honking LONG, especially the Vamo! What I use the most in either the Sigelei or the Vamo are either some AW 18500s (I use a Kick ring with the Vamo to enable it to use 18500s), or I might stack some AW 18350s in the Zmax, and that does provide very good battery life.

I agree with your points about the potential vapocalypse, which is why I have 2 sigelei zmax's, the vamo, and a couple of mechs; if worst ever came to worst, I'd still have a way to vape! and of course those batteries will be available, since they're used in other applications. But I just really like the high-tech toys, so while they are available, and at decent prices, I'm enjoying them very much. But before I got the iSticks, the CF4, and now the Evic-VT, the Sigelei was my all-day every day vape, and the vamo for several months, so I got very familiar with their (18650) battery consumption. I started out with iTaste vv3s and have 3 of them, but I got really tired of having to pop the battery post back up everytime I put something new on them, so they've been charged and put away -- extreme backups.

I had much the same problem with insomnia when I first went to 8mg; if I stayed at 8mg all day, my heart would pound madly when I'd try to lie down and go to sleep, so after dinner I'd vape some 6mg till bedtime. Then I went to 9mg, then 10mg when I returned from my relapse, and I don't really have an issue with it anymore; it was just part of the transition process for me. Now and then I do get a hint of that at bedtime, so I might be getting closer to less nicotine tolerance than I have already (which ain't much, but so far has been fairly stable between 9-10mg)... or maybe I just vaped too much that evening.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

Yeah, I kinda like tootle womper!

I think that's what I am... still a very low-key vape, but I love to tinker and try out new stuff; I'm really anxious to get that titanium wire for this Evic-VT and try out this TC thang. Hope it gets here Monday!

Andria

 

[zed888]

Hold on a sec...I figured I was (mostly) a tootle-puffer, but the upper limit is 10w?? I'm usually vaping a Kayfun or Kayfun-like between 13-15 or so. Am I one of those whomper-stomper-whoppers or whatever? What color is the sky in this new world???