Interesting comment by Phillip Morris USA

[OutWest]

^ but big pharma doesnt own ecigs; they own chantix, nicorette, nicoderm, and all those other things that simply dont work. And, the FDA pretty much does what big pharma tells 'em to do.

Plus, with the ecig we can have our cake and eat it too (we get all the aspects of cigarettes without all those carcinogens). That is completely unacceptable in the eyes of some, especially since we're not paying any sin tax in the process.

 

[LaceyUnderall]

www.altria.com/download/pdf/Media_Parrish_Yale.pdf

Hey Lacey, the link doesn't seem to be working anymore...

 

[sherid]

I believe it is naive to think that BT is not behind Ruyan in some way. Why wouldn't they be? They tried the Heatbar, the Eclipse, and some other smokeless cigarettes at a cost of many millions. Would they then just toss all that money and research? As for BT being the bad guy, I just don't get it. We decided to start and continue smoking despite the clear warnings. No one forced us to do that. We may have become addicted, but to say that BT has held us hostage is just silly IMO. Millions of people have quit smoking, and it can be done in various ways, including the e cig; so to call ourselves hopeless against tobacco is ridiculous. It may be tough to quit smoking, but it clearly is possible. What is necessary is the resolve to do so. Unless we want to quit, we will not.
I believe that BT has been the backer of e cigs from research and development to the current explosion of sales. They are NOT stupid, and they would not let this slip by them. Look at the Smokefree Innotec stock on this search Ixquick Metasearch I would welcome BT's entry into this market. They are partners with the FDA. They have the world's top lawyers to fight. They have the means and the production facilities to produce, and they have a billion loyal customers to satisfy. OTOH, if BP gets in the game, you are guaranteed a crappy tasting product with no vapor to look like smoke, an expensive visit to the doctor and pharmacy to fulfill the prescription, and growing control of where they MIGHT let you use it.

 

[Steampunk]

I don't know about BT being associated with Ruyan but I suppose it's entirely possible....it wouldn't surprise me at all. But they are probably associated with at least one of the e-cig companies existing now. I agree with sherid that BT is NOT dumb. You have to assume that they are on top of anything and everything that would jeopardize the slightest amount of their market share. I believe BT has been forced to use some of the most creative thinking, outside the box mentality that one could expect to see in the ways of marketing, R&D, PR, etc. They're in bed with politicians and the FDA.

As far as Smokefree Innotec - I couldn't get sherids link to show much of anything. I was checking out some of the info Lacey shared and I'm not sure what to make of them. Someone else here said they're either very dumb and have missed the boat, or they know something that would put them in a good position if and when the Waxman bill passes.

I'll be spending much of my weekend reading up on Lacey's info. This stuff is so fascinating to me. It's hard to digest all of this info and when I get a headache, I don't know if it's from reading, thinking, or vaping too much. Probably a combination I'm sure.

 

[LaceyUnderall]

It does smell, eh? As for ALA and ACS, I've already been telling them to shove off when they call for more donations. And have told them exactly why.

By the way... that's wonderful.

If everyone does this... they will definitely feel our impact.

 

[IntoxiNation]

Philip Morris supports and actually helped create the bill because the regulation hurts the competitors. It has nothing to do with health and everything to do with shutting down it's smaller competitors.

Plus they think if people see the FDA regulating cigs that means people will think they are safer to smoke. Talk about a crock.

 

[LaceyUnderall]

Plus they think if people see the FDA regulating cigs that means people will think they are safer to smoke. Talk about a crock.

And that is one of the issues they try to take on in the bill... This idea that FDA control over nicotine could not equal condoning of cigarettes... it's very weird. But what it comes down to is the bill actually does nothing except give the FDA control over nicotine (and then the Advisory committee can advise the FDA in how to regulate).

Plus, why should the ecig be held to pharm standards anyways? If anything, we should just have to prove that we are equal to the tobacco cigarette. To compare the ecig to a pharmaceutical medicine is not right and to me, almost dilutes the power of the pharmaceutical meds which should be held to higher standards. Next thing you know... you can get ...... and eliquid from the same pharm. (Yes boys... this sounds better than it really is )

I don't know about anyone else but this sh*t is getting very interesting. Very interesting.

 

[Faethe]

In Austrialia e-cigs are banned due to the government there believing It will be another way to get kids hooked on regular cigarettes. With major tobacco companies getting in on the e-cig act this will only go to strengthen this opinion, and make more people resistant to e-cigs. So i personally see a sinister plan forming here.

Just as a tag on - why do people refer to cigarettes and analog? Don't wish to be pedantic, but both forms e-cig and tobacco cigs are strictly analog in the true meaning of the word.

There's a chip in most ecigs. And iCig is a bit weird

 

[strictlybusiness]

Just seeing if my ticker works again...