Just like cigarette pack warnings keep people from smoking, right?
Stupid is as stupid does. (My Momma always said.. )
iPV 5 Catches Fire- A reminder to VAPE SAFE
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Just like cigarette pack warnings keep people from smoking, right?
Stupid is as stupid does. (My Momma always said.. )
I guess now maybe we need to add a new section called "Before You Vape", and the 1st lesson should be "Don't be Stupid". The 2nd lesson should be, "if you are stupid refer back to lesson # 1"
Just like cigarette pack warnings keep people from smoking, right?
Stupid is as stupid does. (My Momma always said.. )
Well, everyone knows you could get cancer from a cigarette. Not everyone knows that their mod could end up being an explosive. The point is not to keep people from vaping, but scare them into learning how to use it properly and keep the ones that don't want to learn proper safety procedure away from vaping.
Years ago, vaping took work. These days, it just takes a little common sense, which unfortunately, seems to be in short supply.
It may be simple to light the end of a cig, but I wonder how many people die every year due to fires caused by cigs. It's gotta be significantly more than those injured by improper vaporizer use.
The problem is that the "dummy factor" hasn't been accounted for in vaping equipment, particularly in regards to high wattage mods using replaceable batteries. No matter how many warnings you paste on the thing, some idiot is going to blow it up anyway, simply because it's possible.
And unfortunately, I think the possibility for those kind of errors is something we will see change in this equipment sooner then later.
Idiots ruin the fun for everyone.
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The vaping community is more impressed with power for it's own sake than being skillful. A cloud competiton could have divisions for 10, 20, and 40 max watts and then, who gets the biggest clouds with limited power. That competition would even interst me, which kind of proves how uncool it would be.
I picture the newbie vaper thinking, now that I'm not being daring by ignoring the risks of smoking I need to find some new risky behavior to help me feel alive. I know, how about suicide bomber?
I picture the newbie vaper thinking, now that I'm not being daring by ignoring the risks of smoking I need to find some new risky behavior to help me feel alive. I know, how about suicide bomber?
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unfortunately it is impossible to make an idiot proof mod. why would anyone buy an expensive mod and then buy cheap batteries to put in it? regulated mods may be safer than mechanical mods but nothing is idiot proof. maybe we need to require people to pass a test before they can buy vaping equipment.
Hm. I find myself rooting for Darwin more than humanity these days.
Must be getting old or something.
Must be getting old or something.
I hope this individual is alright.
What bothers me about stories like this is the fact it is assumed that every vaper instinctively knows right from wrong. None of us know this person but some of you have taken the time to call him an idiot. Is it so hard to stop waging your fingers and realize not every vaper in the world is on ECF and has the same knowledge that many of you here have.
User error or not, I feel for anyone whose been injured by a vaporizer.
I know beginning vapers who bought there set ups from B&M. They weren't treated as new vapers. They were sold equipment that was definitely for advanced vapers with no clue what to do with it later on when they weren't in the store.
What bothers me about stories like this is the fact it is assumed that every vaper instinctively knows right from wrong. None of us know this person but some of you have taken the time to call him an idiot. Is it so hard to stop waging your fingers and realize not every vaper in the world is on ECF and has the same knowledge that many of you here have.
User error or not, I feel for anyone whose been injured by a vaporizer.
I know beginning vapers who bought there set ups from B&M. They weren't treated as new vapers. They were sold equipment that was definitely for advanced vapers with no clue what to do with it later on when they weren't in the store.
Someone can search out one of the most powerful Mods built for Retail sale, but hasn't the common sense to ask what should be used to power it?
Yea, okay....................Not an Idiot, just asleep at the wheel
[QUOTE="VaPreis, No matter how many warnings you paste on the thing, some idiot is going to blow it up anyway, simply because it's possible.[/QUOTE]
Hmm, I am reminded of drag racing, LOL.
Hmm, I am reminded of drag racing, LOL.
When I started vaping there was not a lot of info out there. There were no clearo tanks and low resistance atomizers were just coming out and 2.5 was the lowest. We had to poly stuff cylinders that screwed on to atomizers. These and cartomizers were about it for toppers. The few mech mods out were being made in garages out of wood or Altoid tins by a few innovative individuals. I learned by trial and error and as each new device or tank hit the market I learned as much as I could about it to see how it worked and if it would fit my needs. I shared my knowledge with friends and family whenever I could and got quite a few of them to quit smoking by vaping. There were no e-cig or Vape Shops everything was purchased online. There were a few people who would do their own research and learn more about vaping but I found a lot more that just wanted a pick up and puff device and relied on others to do the work and research. Even if there was a book or manual for beginning Vapors, I doubt many would read it due to the pick up and puff mentality, as well as the ones that just want the Cloud making experience. At least there is this great forum for the ones who really want to learn about vaping and share their knowledge and passion for vaping with each other.
Sorry Crxess there goes our book deal
E=MC^2
effectiveness = mentality X Commonsence^2
if the M or the C is of a minimal value, then E suffers and things go nuclear
effectiveness = mentality X Commonsence^2
if the M or the C is of a minimal value, then E suffers and things go nuclear
Two thumbs up.
But let's take the emphasis off of heat.
As I've posted before, this 5,000mah 40C 3S1P lithium batt vented from high current draw (within rated continuous specs, but barely) AT AMBIENT TEMPERATURE.
Yes, thermal runaway is a thermochemical reaction, but there DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A RISE IN TEMP BEFORE IT'S TRIGGERED.
All the more reason we need to choose the proper chemical and spec'ed batteries.
Preferably with some leeway to allow for mistakes.
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Isn't that a 2 batt mod?
That would need 25 amp capable batts at a minimum, fully charged.
Read as; if you never take more than 1 pull off your 200 watt built atty before recharging.
30 amp capable would be recommended. Vtc3, vtc4 (iffy) or hb2 exclusively.
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It bothers me too. I wish I had a dollar for every time I read the words idiot and Darwin in these threads. Without knowing anything about the true circumstances, defensiveness brings out the worst. Could be a tragic accident, stuff happens you know, all knowledge and expertise or lack thereof inconsequential. There but for the grace of God go I.
E-cigs don't catch fire nor do they explode. The batteries inside them can, though... Occasionally a laptop has a battery fire. Occasionally a cell phone has a battery fire. Occasionally a flashlight has a battery fire. Occasionally an E-bike has a battery fire. Occasionally, an automobile has a battery fire. Occasionally, a Segway has a battery fire. Apparently a bunch of hoverboards have battery fires... It's the batteries, not the devices.
Had vapers and organizations that promote vaping (Yup, including dear old ECF... and, in fact, specifically ECF, but also 'understandably' ECF) initially taken a clear position endorsing the truth of batteries being what actually is unstable and not the devices that use batteries, the media today wouldn't go so stupidly insane when a battery in an e-cig has a thermal runaway. Effort needs to be put in to expressing the truth of the matter whenever such an incident occurs.
Indeed, there are steps users need to take and there is information users should have... but in all actuality, it remains that batteries can be dangerous in a laptop, a cell phone, a flashlight, a hoverboard, a flying drone, an automobile, and an e-cig.
Had vapers and organizations that promote vaping (Yup, including dear old ECF... and, in fact, specifically ECF, but also 'understandably' ECF) initially taken a clear position endorsing the truth of batteries being what actually is unstable and not the devices that use batteries, the media today wouldn't go so stupidly insane when a battery in an e-cig has a thermal runaway. Effort needs to be put in to expressing the truth of the matter whenever such an incident occurs.
Indeed, there are steps users need to take and there is information users should have... but in all actuality, it remains that batteries can be dangerous in a laptop, a cell phone, a flashlight, a hoverboard, a flying drone, an automobile, and an e-cig.
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