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IPV3 + Mutation x v2. Suggest me a cloud chasing build using 26g.

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  1. CasketWeaver

    CasketWeaver Moved On ECF Veteran

    Feb 20, 2014
    Decatur, IL 62521
    Well nanos tend to heat up quickly, so if your target resistance is .4 - have fun! Granted with 26AWG wire, I don't think it's impossible, just build the coils, check resistance, then divide by 4. Technically, if my math is correct, you'd need 4 coils clocked in at 1.6 ohms each, so the nano coil idea would be out just due to the fact that nanos usually have an overall lower resistance from start to finish (because of their size). But a quad coil setup regardless of coil type / size will generally produce a more concentrated vape (flavor wise) and if built properly (sleeper build) will result in plumes of vapor. When I get the chance tomorrow, I'll build a regular quad / sleeper / micro coil build in my MXv2 and show you how I wick it. I will literally use 2 pieces of wire for my build, coil the left side (or right) with 2 coils (between 6 to 8 wraps, then move to the other side repeating the steps. I then run 1 wick through one set of coils and the same for the other side (to keep airflow at a max plus when I drip down the center of the atty, the middle strand of wick picks up the majority of juice where the ends pick up the remainder of it).

    Give it a shot, tell me what you come up with and then let me know how it's working for you.

    And I say "built properly (sleeper build)" because sometimes working your quad coil builds to get them to fire at the same time can be problematic at times, so to alleviate the uneven heating, I prefer sleeper builds.

    Also be wary of the airflow controller - although the MX can hold 4 coils easily, if the coil diameter / length is too large - quads might be problematic (hence I say nanos 1/64 or smaller drill bits and usually 5-6 wraps but you can push it to 8 if you're feeling up to it).
     
  2. Wern314

    Wern314 Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 10, 2013
    Erie, Pennsylvania
    CasketWeaver I'd like to see this quad sleeper build you mentioned. Please post pictures. I've been interested in running quads in my Mutation v3 I'm just not sure how to set it up and wick it.


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  3. johndoe1027

    johndoe1027 Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 18, 2014
    NC, USA
    Yeah the AFC has got in my way more than once. Yet another good use for my chuff caps. :) I've ran many different parallel dual coils in both of my MXs but the extra wick in the quad setup seems like it would make it worth the build hassle.

    I have an awesome idea. A CasketWeaver MX quad sleeper build videoooooo!!!!!! I expect to see it in the morning when I get up. ;)

    I'm going to need to see this because the smallest coil I've wrapped in the past few months was 7/64". I don't know how to wick anything smaller but I suppose I could figure it out. If I had to. :unsure:
     
  4. CasketWeaver

    CasketWeaver Moved On ECF Veteran

    Feb 20, 2014
    Decatur, IL 62521
    Ok here they are by popular demand. I started with nano coils, but moved to micro coils instead (killed another drill bit - RIP 1/16 Drill bit. But here you go - the 2 x 4 x 8 build (2 wires - sleeper build - 24AWG, 4 coils, 8 wraps):

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    Coils Installed in MXv2

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    IPV Resistance Check

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    Wicks Rolled, Ran, Measured, and Clipped

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    Wicks Packed and Ready for JUICE!

    Ok so there's some photos. I know, I wish I had the camera to show you how I did my sleeper builds - but I don't have the camera that focuses at all. And the device I used to capture those pictures was my iPod... LOL! But yes, it is 24AWG wire, there are ONLY 2 pieces of wire, and it is 8 wraps in a 5/64 drill bit. How I do my sleepers - instead of attempting to wrap the normal way, I wrap 1 coil, run my leads, the 2nd coil is built as if I were wrapping a coil for a genesis (holding onto the drill bit while wrapping a micro or nano coil), then I turn that coil sideways, pull my other lead through, and tidy it up as I'm pulling the final lead through. The problem with Quad sleepers is keeping them in-line with each other, hence the reason - YOU NEED 2x SAME SIZE BITS OR DRIVERS. And BEFORE YOU TIGHTEN THE SCREWS DOWN - ENSURE YOUR COILS ARE ALLIGNED AND AWAY FROM THE DECK, WALL OF THE ATTY, AND EACH OTHER! Failure to do any of those will indefinitely result in a dead short.

    Now the pros and cons of this build:

    Pros -
    Full on flavor, brings out sweet and bold notes on just about ANY ATTY!
    Coil porn!
    Even heating across all 4 coils
    Coil-to-wick surface area
    Warm-to-hot vape (wire dependent 24AWG and LOWER)
    Great coil build(s) for average to smaller post holes or when no build block present
    Pretty good cloud build (when all requirements are met - Air, wick, coil build, and device dependent)
    Works great with any juice blend: Tested on 100VG, 90/10, 80/20, 70/30, 60/40 and 50/50 (Last one is pretty HARSH)

    Cons -
    May be a pain in the ... to build
    Time consuming if things go wrong.
    Space hungry (if running more than dual-coil setup
    JUICE GUZZLER! (Unless you enjoy burning up bottles of juice - 2 to 4 hits before dripping)
    Higher wattage required to fire all 4 at one time
    Smaller room for error (close space to work with - shorting may be an issue)
    Wicks require a small break in period before adjusting wattage (50 - 60W until break in)
    Battery life - Mechanical Mods: Try it at your own risk - firing 4 coils on a 3.7V battery will drain your battery faster
    Battery life - Regulated Mods (VV / VW): Will need to increase voltage or wattage greatly to fire coils resulting in decreased battery life

    Subjective -
    May be too hot of a vape for some users

    Videos Posted (Part 1 is almost an hour):
    Part 1 of 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOh5gqorkpI&feature=youtu.be

    Part 2 of 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vZUyLHUGZo&feature=youtu.be

    And of course the Plumeveil final product:
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