When the hell is Ahlusion going to start stocking their Xpress line so I can try them? A month ago they said they were going to make them available. All still unavailable.
Is ahlusion really worth all the grief
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Thanks for the vendor recommendations Lasttango. I definateely will get my order in on Tuesday.
I've been following this thread with great curiosity. I will admit that I am fairly new to vaping, but I learn things quick. Plus, it's summer break right now (I'm a teacher), so I have had nothing to do but check out different vendor web sites. I'm thinking that vaping can be a lot like wines: there's basic table wine that seems to be always open (or a case of domestic beers that's always in the fridge) and there's the expensive stuff that's in the wine cellar (or good beer in the garage fridge) or liquor that's in the liquor cabinet. From the input from the folks, places like MBV might be a good place to pick up the daily stuff, the stuff we don't mind spilling. Boutique vendor juices are those that we keep on hand for those times we need that kick: a hard day at work, weekends, holidays, etc. I had trouble finding bottles of wine that I really wanted and couldn't find but I kept hunting. Good luck everybody on your vaping quests!
LOL you can't make things like this up. After you gave your recommendation for Alice in vapeland I went to their site. Guess what? They are closed
I just can't catch a break. I think the Vape Gods are against me LOL
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I agree with you whole-heartedly. There's a few other 'artisan' vendors out there that do the same thing. I got caught up into all of the hype when I first started too. Once I was able to get an order in, it took a couple of weeks to receive. All this hype and anticipation.....only to be extremely disappointed in the juice. Not to mention the price. I don't care if the container is beautiful, cute little cards in the box, sweet little charms on the bottles. GIVE ME MY JUICE!
Ahlusion isn't high-priced and they don't put charms on the bottles. They DO make each order after it is placed, rather than keeping juice sitting around in bottles waiting to be sold. Everything they do is about quality, and it shows in the flavor. Their liquids taste better. The flavors are complex and true. It's well-known that you have to place your order usually between 10 and 6, and that they close their site when capacity is reached to avoid long delays. If these things bother you, just don't buy Ahlusion! Roar and Heathers are equally respected by many people.
Yes it's worth it, but I've never had a problem ordering from them and they have great customer service. Great juice!!! Worth the wait and price, good things come to those who wait... Allot of these higher end vendors require a bit of patients... Just get your juice stock up and the wait is not so bad...
??? What are you talking about? The "Xpress Liquids" are identified to click on at the top of their home page, and there are two full pages of them available now. (I just put a couple on my wishlist).
Get on over there Tuesday mid-morning and order away!
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I don't think that's fair, Zapped.
Highbrow, Copper Creek . . . I've no doubt we could all name top-notch vendors who send off stellar juices quickly, efficiently, and without a lot of drama. That's to their credit, surely?
And really - I can't think of any good reason to make ordering stuff online "a priority in your day" unless that kind of thing happens to amuse you. I mean . . . LOL . . . It's supposed to be a hobby - not some grueling ordeal that tests the limits of human edurance!
Strictly my opinion, and this is with any product not just e-juice that the harder the something is to get it tends to drive up the demand for it . Its like human nature says 'if there is a shortage its got to be because its THAT good and therefore I have to have it even if it drives me through hoops, frustration and into madness'. Human nature does not stop to think perhaps there is a shortage because a company did not know how popular it would be and did not make enough to meet demand, and keeps demand coming because of shortage by never making enough.
I am not saying that is what they are doing but even Apple learned to up its manufacturing space to handle demand. If you don't you eventually risk losing new customers because they can get what they think they should have.
When it comes to things like e-juice and other vaping supplies, as anything else I buy, I don't get hung up on the place I buy it, unless its delivered in solid gold wrapping.
I also know that if you can't get the e-juice from the supplier you heard was the 'one' you will always wonder what you're missing. On the other hand there is a lot to be said about finding a place that has the best taste,for you as well as the best service and convenience for you and and wants your business on something other than a waiting list.
Its good e-juice, I had no complaints but its not like I have not found others just as good (and a few better). Its not like the only good mixologists in the world only work there. Like I said its good but to me, not so good that it was worth the horrible wait time for future buys and I never bothered since. In the time I was likely to be waiting to be able to reorder I found 3 other custom places, make a few orders, did a bit of testing, found one that made taste the same to me. In my case the place I found got the business and I got prompt service and good service and the feeling that I was just as important as the next customer. Just as an aside, about 2 months ago they slowed down a bit by a few days, sent out an email explaining that their business had increased and they were hiring as soon as possible. they did, turn around went back to usual and it was all good. Maybe their recipes are not so secret they will share with employees - dunno.
And I can say all that because I got one order through, you're probably sitting there saying how lucky I was (and not reading further) but for you to go elsewhere without knowing is a frustrating idea and nothing for you to compare with but what I am saying is that its not send packaged in gold.
I had a wait to get an order from them but back before their were 'lists' so it was nowhere near what I hear you all going through now and wonder if it will really get better once you get on the 'list' from the point of view of customer service. Will you be on the 'new members' list instead of the 'old members list' and if things slow down again, find that while your on a list your not on THE list.
Nothing wrong with seeing if you can get on the list eventually, just to have the chance to try but in the meantime I am not sure its worth all the frustration and feeling outcast about that darn list and all the frustration that everyone seems to be faced with because they can't get on. You brought up the similarity of a nightclub and the silk ropes. You know they put those ropes out there as a selling point and don't let people in - even if the place is empty - to foster that feeling of being special because you can get through the door... in reality that club down the street that does not have the ropes probably has a full club and full is more fun then empty.
I am not saying that is what they are doing but even Apple learned to up its manufacturing space to handle demand. If you don't you eventually risk losing new customers because they can get what they think they should have.
When it comes to things like e-juice and other vaping supplies, as anything else I buy, I don't get hung up on the place I buy it, unless its delivered in solid gold wrapping.
I also know that if you can't get the e-juice from the supplier you heard was the 'one' you will always wonder what you're missing. On the other hand there is a lot to be said about finding a place that has the best taste,for you as well as the best service and convenience for you and and wants your business on something other than a waiting list.
Its good e-juice, I had no complaints but its not like I have not found others just as good (and a few better). Its not like the only good mixologists in the world only work there. Like I said its good but to me, not so good that it was worth the horrible wait time for future buys and I never bothered since. In the time I was likely to be waiting to be able to reorder I found 3 other custom places, make a few orders, did a bit of testing, found one that made taste the same to me. In my case the place I found got the business and I got prompt service and good service and the feeling that I was just as important as the next customer. Just as an aside, about 2 months ago they slowed down a bit by a few days, sent out an email explaining that their business had increased and they were hiring as soon as possible. they did, turn around went back to usual and it was all good. Maybe their recipes are not so secret they will share with employees - dunno.
And I can say all that because I got one order through, you're probably sitting there saying how lucky I was (and not reading further) but for you to go elsewhere without knowing is a frustrating idea and nothing for you to compare with but what I am saying is that its not send packaged in gold.
I had a wait to get an order from them but back before their were 'lists' so it was nowhere near what I hear you all going through now and wonder if it will really get better once you get on the 'list' from the point of view of customer service. Will you be on the 'new members' list instead of the 'old members list' and if things slow down again, find that while your on a list your not on THE list.
Nothing wrong with seeing if you can get on the list eventually, just to have the chance to try but in the meantime I am not sure its worth all the frustration and feeling outcast about that darn list and all the frustration that everyone seems to be faced with because they can't get on. You brought up the similarity of a nightclub and the silk ropes. You know they put those ropes out there as a selling point and don't let people in - even if the place is empty - to foster that feeling of being special because you can get through the door... in reality that club down the street that does not have the ropes probably has a full club and full is more fun then empty.
(Just to maybe balance the self-lacerating torture picture, my daughter just said to me, "Huh? I just placed my first order, easy shmeazy." I think the express stuff, which is the same juice, just popular flavors, is pretty zippity also. Just as juice can hyped, so can difficulties.)
??? What are you talking about? The "Xpress Liquids" are identified to click on at the top of their home page, and there are two full pages of them available now. (I just put a couple on my wishlist).
Get on over there Tuesday mid-morning and order away!
Um, they all say "Product Status: Unavailable.". That's what it says when they're open or closed every time I look. The regular line all have "Status: Available".
That's what I get too, and I already have an account. If this gambit was designed to save time and reduce angst, it certainly doesn't seem to be working very well.
Why does it sound funnier when you say it?Aubergine said:
For you it might be a hobby, but not all of us view it that way. I was told by my doctor that if I continued smoking that in less than 5 years I would be on an oxygen tank.I was already experiencing the symptoms of emphysema at 42 after smoking 2 packs a day for 25 years.
People start vaping for all kinds of reasons.Some of us do it to finally get off cigarettes, some view it as a hobby and some have never smoked before in their life.
Im not trying to take anything at all away from vendors like High-brow or Copper Creek who are able to take orders 24/7 and keep up with demand.
What I am saying that for those vendors who cant because of staffing issues, lack of foresight, insane demand etc, closing when youve reached capacity for the day is far better than getting so far behind that it takes 2 weeks before your juice is even mixed.
Just like us, some vendors start an e-juice business as a hobby, some start it as a business and some get overwhelmed with success and their business very quickly grows out of control.
Before they closed for a complete website overhaul AVE was processing 300 orders (not bottles as many people ordered multiple eliquids and e-cigarette accessories) a day. In an 8 hour day thats processing 38 orders an hour or about one order every minute and a half.
Can you imagine what their wait times before an order ships would be like if they didnt limit themselves to just 300 orders a day?
I find this somewhat amusing in that one of the factors that led me to try e-cigs again was the fact that my regular supplier of analogs was -to me- failing at their job. I used to purchase one carton of store brand stinkies a week. Like clockwork. But the place where I bought them stopped selling cartons.
The convenience store where I got them used to sell them 24/7 which meant that any time I went to the store and asked for a carton they had them. Maybe once every 8 to 12 months they would be out and I would go down the street to the next one and get my carton there. Then they changed their sales practice on cartons so they were only available when a manager was in the store. How was I supposed to know the managers schedule so I could be there when they were available to sell cartons? Their schedule changes weekly and I am not always available to drop into the store when they are there. So in my opinion they no longer really sold cartons. If I can't get them when I am there on my schedule then -to me- they don't sell cartons.
At that point it's more of a game of chance. I would have to buy a few packs at a higher price to hold me over until I caught a manager working who could go unlock the container and get a carton out for me. That was the situation for about 5 months. To me they either sell cartons when they are open -24/7- and they have them in stock, or they don't really sell cartons because they are only available to a few select people who got lucky enough to guess what hours the manager was available the day they purchased. Going down the street to the next convenience store did not solve the problem either. The manager of that store was on their own variable schedule as well. Sometimes I would go to 5 or 6 stores trying to buy a carton but could not. Very frustrating to say the least. I feel this way about any product that is supposed to be for sale. Either it's available to me when I have the time and money to purchase or it's not. If it's not available during what are regularly scheduled business hours then it's not really for sale, it's a gamble. So any retailer who operates under these kinds of conditions is running a lottery.
Ahlusion has dealt with their supply/demand as described in this thread by stating their hours of operation and that is when you can order. They have left their closing hour open to allow for their supply to meet customer demand, but we all know that you must get the order made early or risk them not having enough supply to meet your demand. If you have enough desire to get their product you buy it on their terms or go elsewhere. I don't see them promising their product is available 24/7 like the convenience store down the street and so the expectation of them doing business 24/7 is unrealistic. Pretty simple, no?
Sorry for the novella. LOL
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I'm the opposite. When I was new, I chased down every "must-have" juice. I won't mention who, but I found my ADV with one of them. On the third time of restocking a huge bottle, I saw that they were closed....for THREE WEEKS! Not a huge deal as I keep well-stocked and order a month ahead. Problem was, they started doing random openings/closings. To me, that's just as good as being closed. I'm not going to stalk a website. I wouldn't have minded in the least to be able to place an order, be told it's on backorder, and then wait until it shows up in the mail one day. After that, I started going to the vendors that I knew could deliver whenever I ordered. The concept of an ADV is to always be able to have some.
Just to add to my last post, I really don't get the concept of "closing." In my mind, it's marginally better to at least post the hours in which you'll be open. And if it's reliable, than I can deal with it.
What I can't stand is the "once we've reached capacity for the day...." That requires an individual to constantly check. I had to do that for an ADV of mine and it got to the point where I started looking for other juices. Someone on this thread mentioned the way Apple uses scarcity to pump up the "I gotta have it" mentality, but the difference is you can always pre-order an iphone. You don't have to stand in line.
I've noticed an increasing number of vendors that do this and I've recently started trying guys like MBV because of it. For me, juice is not "nice" to have. I need it. If I order from your shop and get a sample I like, I want to go back and buy 100ml of it, every month for the foreseeable future. If I can't do that, we can't do business.
In the immortal words of the soup-Nazi "No vape for you!!!!!"
What I can't stand is the "once we've reached capacity for the day...." That requires an individual to constantly check. I had to do that for an ADV of mine and it got to the point where I started looking for other juices. Someone on this thread mentioned the way Apple uses scarcity to pump up the "I gotta have it" mentality, but the difference is you can always pre-order an iphone. You don't have to stand in line.
I've noticed an increasing number of vendors that do this and I've recently started trying guys like MBV because of it. For me, juice is not "nice" to have. I need it. If I order from your shop and get a sample I like, I want to go back and buy 100ml of it, every month for the foreseeable future. If I can't do that, we can't do business.
In the immortal words of the soup-Nazi "No vape for you!!!!!"
Many of us here refer to it as the "Black Friday Business Model". Still I see no reason to complain, if you like the juice well enough to go through the gyrations, do so, if not, move on. I realize that doesn't help folks that are just trying to sample a particular vendor, and I have no words of wisdom for those people.
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