Is anyone else sick of how difficult vaping can appear to be when you first start?

[Baditude]

I was a noob on here and my first question was about Blu e-cigs, I was thinking of buying a pack...

Lots of ppl were pushing me to get an ego-c twist instead & other things and it definitely was overwhelming. But I'm not understanding the argument of how that puts a person off of smoking the e cigs cus it becomes a bit more complicated? I just replied in my post said I was overwhelmed and needed someone to walk me through my shopping cart & someone on here literally screen shot the shopping cart with everything I needed for the price I was willing to spend. I'll admit I was kind of disappointed the ego-c-twist didn't light up at the end like a Blu, that totally didn't even matter once I actually used it..

So I don't think being told something more effective is ever a bad thing. As long as the ''noob'' is open minded. I've tried to get a lot of ppl to try an ego c twist b4 getting Blu's but they get Blu's anyways, and once they do they realise it's not quite strong enough. & atleast then they know there is better options and might be more prone to taking advice next time

I often try to provide advice and offer suggestions to new vapors or those looking to get their first setup. It can be a challenge.

Looks/size vs performance/function
On one hand, you understand that the new person wants a device that looks like a cigarette, vapes like a cigarette, and tastes like a cigarette. When you let them know that this doesn't really exist and what they are looking for will fall far from their expectations, it's like "Well, then, why even bother with this electric cigarette thing?" Or, "I'm not going to use one of those illegal-looking devices. No way, Hoshea."

They have this idea of what they want, or nothing else. All or nothing.

YOU know that the eGo Spinner/Twist setup would probably be a better option for them, but THEY don't. I understand this, because I was the same way when I started. Some people must experience for themselves a sort of vapor's progression.

Therefore, I try to work with them to suggest a decent setup that will at least get their foot in the door of vaping and which may even allow them to make a successful switch from smoking to vaping. Down the road, if they don't give up on vaping because of disappointed expectations, they'll be back for suggestions on a better setup that they could have gotten in round one.

Cost for Beginner's Setup
Another stumbling block is the price of a new beginner's setup. Personally, I believe you initially have to spend a similar amount on gear and juice that you spent on analogs per month to get adequately started. Most people have spent around $150 a month on analogs. But suggest a $100 setup and they balk at the cost. "I heard that you spend a lot less on e-cigarettes than real ones. What's up with this?"

One CAN spend less on vaping than they did on analogs, but not until the initial gear has been bought. Batteries or battery devices are expensive, and they are the backbone of any setup to get started. Finding a juice or flavor that they will consider satisfactory can also keep the early monthly costs up as they experiment with different flavors and vendors.

But once a new vapor has a decent gear setup and a good flavored e-liquid, it is quite possible that they can spend only one third the cost of what they spent on analogs per month. The thing that most new vapors never consider is how easy it is for this to become a hobby. We buy gear or other vaping related items that we really don't NEED, but just WANT all the same.

Nothing wrong with this becoming a hobby. I attribute that very aspect to have helped me to stay off of the cigarettes. And although vaping has the potential to be less expensive than smoking and that is a benefit, it shouldn't be the primary reason we take it up. The top priority should be the health benefits to us and to the others around us.

 

[Tebo]

I often try to provide advice and offer suggestions to new vapors or those looking to get their first setup. It can be a challenge.

On one hand, you understand that the new person wants a device that looks like a cigarette, vapes like a cigarette, and tastes like a cigarette. When you let them know that this doesn't really exist and what they are looking for will fall far from their expectations, it's like "Well, then, why even bother with this electric cigarette thing?" Or, "I'm not going to use one of those illegal-looking devices. No way, Hoshea."

They have this idea of what they want, or nothing else. All or nothing.

YOU know that the eGo Spinner/Twist setup would probably be a better option for them, but THEY don't. I understand this, because I was the same way when I started. Some people must experience for themselves a sort of vapor's progression.

Therefore, I try to work with them to suggest a decent setup that will at least get their foot in the door of vaping and which may even allow them to make a successful switch from smoking to vaping. Down the road, if they don't give up on vaping because of disappointed expectations, they'll be back for suggestions on a better setup that they could have gotten in round one.

Another stumbling block is the price of a new beginner's startup. Personally, I believe you have to spend a similar amount on gear that you spent on analogs per month. Most people have spent around $150 a month on analogs. But suggest a $100 setup and they balk at the cost. One can spend less on vaping than they did on analogs, but not until the initial gear has been bought. Finding a juice or flavor that they will consider satisfactory can also keep the early monthly costs up as they experiement with different flavors and vendors.

But once a new vapor has a decent gear setup and a good flavored e-liquid, it is quite possible that they can pay one third the cost of analogs per month. The thing that most new vapors never consider is how easy it is for this to become a hobby. We buy gear or other vaping related items that we really don't need, but want just the same.

Nothing wrong with this becoming a hobby. I attribute that very aspect to have helped me to stay off of the cigarettes.

At this point in the e-cig world, it's all about being open minded & the opportunities you take. There's really not much else to it. Can't quit smoking because you gotta hold it like a wand instead of between ya fingers, okay. Willing to try vapor the best way it can be delivered, through VW, then your opportunity to quit smoking has greatly improved.

Everyone is different, but at the end of the day we all had to be open minded, especially after cig-a-likes not working, to try the more effective devices. Half of us thought the devices looked totally lame too, before we started to love how they look, that was part of the whole open minded process.

& mods will only get more and more popular, this is the only real quit smoking method where people love to try to include others along with them. The more and more stories that come from the success will start to change the first impressions of it looking unappealing. Cig-a-likes can win battles but not the war, because while they are growing they are not advancing. So they will never be more effective.

 

[wv2win]

I try to ask noobs two questions:

1. what is more important - do want it to look and feel like a cig in your hand or do you want it to have the "inhaled" feel of the real thing when you use it?

2. do you want it to be as "hassle free" as possible or do you not care if you are constantly needing to change batteries and refill carts every 45 mins to an hour?

 

[shatner]

I believe he puts them into the bin. He uses Greensmokes, not Greenpeaces

People that think this way are part of the problem (not a vaping problem-a World problem)! It doesn't just go away when you toss it in the trash. Where do you think that .... ends up?

 

[Ref Minor]

People that think this way are part of the problem (not a vaping problem-a World problem)! It doesn't just go away when you toss it in the trash. Where do you think that .... ends up?

And yet you drive a car. That's a lifetime of cartos in pure metal terms.

 

[shatner]

And yet you drive a car. That's a lifetime of cartos in pure metal terms.

Oh? Do I?

Justify it however you'd like. I'd think living on an island you'd be a little more sensitive to trash and landfills.

 

[Rivaman]

Great advice from o/p, Ego/Nova is my main setup after 1+half years vaping, and should suit 90%
non hobby users who aren't set on a cig alike. Would just like to add make sure its a genuine Vision
Nova,as a lot of the copies are rubbish and probaly the cause of most of the complaints about Novas
being no good, also 1.8ohm heads are best if you want a strong hit. Generic batteries are fine (usually)
,but best are ones which show how much charge is left. I also like the Iclear16s and sometimes the Evods
but the Novas are the most dependable for me.

 

[jerzi]

I try to ask noobs two questions:

1. what is more important - do want it to look and feel like a cig in your hand or do you want it to have the "inhaled" feel of the real thing when you use it?

2. do you want it to be as "hassle free" as possible or do you not care if you are constantly needing to change batteries and refill carts every 45 mins to an hour?

This is the part that becomes troublesome, because if they don't have all these options in their hand, they really don't know and that's where the big expense comes from.

 

[wv2win]

This is the part that becomes troublesome, because if they don't have all these options in their hand, they really don't know and that's where the big expense comes from.

If they don't want to listen, well then that's their problem. And those who are more concerned with appearance and/or what others might think - I have no time for that nonsense.

 

[SissySpike]

I like rebuilding tweaking cleaning polishing endless hours of scouring the internet for the hard to find. I know most dont but its all fun for me.

 

[Kopfstimmen]

It occurs to me that what is funny about this whole simplicity discussion is that if anyone should be on the cigalike train because it's easy, and not on a forum because it's too much effort, it's me. I'm the laziest person I know.

 

[jerzi]

If they don't want to listen, well then that's their problem. And those who are more concerned with appearance and/or what others might think - I have no time for that nonsense.

Listening really isn't the problem. It's kind of like buying a vehicle in my opinion where you need to test drive. You have so many different opinions on here it can be overwhelming. You should get this, no get this it's better..wait you should really get this. I don't think anyone just starting out has a real concept of it, unless they are trying out a few versions of each one.

 

[Katdarling]

Is it any wonder 20 people liked this post. Well said, baditude. Thanks for always contributing so much from your experiences. You continue to impress the newbies and the vets alike.

I think you're awesome.

Although you make a valid point that we all want an easy, problem-free vaping experience, the fact of the matter is vaping is much harder than smoking a cigarette. We can all agree that it is far too easy to buy a pack, light up a cig, and you are good to go.

VAPING IS HARD WORK! It takes planning and diligence. One must remember to put spent batteries in their charger or they will not be able to use their battery device. No charged-up batteries means no vaping.

One must plan ahead to ensure that they do not run out of e-juice. No juice, no vaping. One must have an idea of how much they vape a day, to know how long their juice supply will last, and how long it will take for their next online order be delivered.

One must have extra juice delivery devices available in case their primary device unexpectantly dies. We need backups for our backups.

Beginning vapors purchase a single battery and a single juice delivery device and a single bottle of juice and think they have a setup. Well, that "setup" may help them to determine whether vaping can help them to stop smoking; but in no way is that setup adequate if that would-be vapor is serious about making the switch long term.

There's a very good reason why most of us vapors carry a small arsonal of vape gear with us wherever we go. It's to keep from being caught off guard by not having a spare battery when the primary one dies. Or when that juice delivery device dies. It's far too easy to use that as an excuse for buying a pack of cigarettes when something goes wrong. The smart vapor plans ahead so that scenario NEVER happens.

New vapors must be cautioned about the above. There is a small price to pay to make the switch from smoking to vaping in time spent in preparation and planning. But when the hard work pays off to be finally rid of such a nasty and expensive habit it is well worth the price. In fact, its priceless.

 

[Kopfstimmen]

Is it any wonder 20 people liked this post. Well said, baditude. Thanks for always contributing so much from your experiences. You continue to impress the newbies and the vets alike.

I think you're awesome.

I vehemently concur.