Is it more about the voltage or the mod?

[motelgrim]

Ok so the bottom line is as long as the device puts out X watts, that's all that matters, yes? Granted the physiology of the connector (airflow, etc) can effect it, in the end it's all about the attachments.
Everyone is like, "this mod vapes like a beast" but couldn't any hole in the wall with a 510 connector in it vape just as well as long as the voltage is right?
Seems like all the credit should go to the carto/atty/whatever instead of the mod. I guess it's just that the mods seem to get more credit than is due most of the time.

 

[dirfm]

I would agree to an extent. I use a provari, and apex, and a GG. Have tanks, genesis, NR/R. Each has a different flow and flavor. I really think it depends on your preference and what you are looking for. With all of my mods, I like a hot vape with good flow. Depending on what I am using, I adjust accordingly.

 

[Eddie.Willers]

I think there's far more to this than meets the eye. Yes, wattage is the deciding factor - in terms of how much electrical energy can be converted to heat energy - but consider:

* Rate of heat output increase by the coil - how fast does it heat up?
* Amount of liquid available to be vaporized - how much can the wick/filler hold before burning begins?
* Rate of liquid replenishment to the coil
* Total available heating area
* PG to VG ratio - surprised you didn't mention that
* Viscosity of e-liquid - has it been thinned with water?

Anything I've missed?

 

[Rocketman]

A shiney mod vapes better

 

[motelgrim]

A shiney mod vapes better

Dude, truer words were never spoken.

 

[motelgrim]

Most of the items on your list are accessories. The point of my post is that what difference, if any, does the mod impart on the atty/carto to deem it "a good vape".

Let's say, for instance, that you fill your favorite tank with your favorite juice and screw it onto a Darwin.
It vapes like a dream at, say, 3.7 volts.

In theory, you should be able to take that tank and screw it onto a $5 box mod you made in your basement from cattle dung and twist ties and have it vape just as good.

I realize that the functionality of a mod can make any vape more enjoyable by virtue of a drip well, VV, button, etc so I'm not discounting that. I'm just trying to give credit where credit is due is all .

 

[muzichead]

Most of the items on your list are accessories. The point of my post is that what difference, if any, does the mod impart on the atty/carto to deem it "a good vape".

Let's say, for instance, that you fill your favorite tank with your favorite juice and screw it onto a Darwin.
It vapes like a dream at, say, 3.7 volts.

In theory, you should be able to take that tank and screw it onto a $5 box mod you made in your basement from cattle dung and twist ties and have it vape just as good.

I realize that the functionality of a mod can make any vape more enjoyable by virtue of a drip well, VV, button, etc so I'm not discounting that. I'm just trying to give credit where credit is due is all .

That just is so wrong on any level..... Seriously could've done without that description.....

 

[natgas]

Well, I wanted to test your theory

I have sitting here a tank with a Boge 1.5 filled with my favorite juice. I also have a provari and a LT sitting here. I just tried the tank on my LT and then placed it on my Provari. Drags on both and the provari at 4.1 definitely hits better---fuller,etc.

Much more vapor from the provari. The LT is set at 6.0 but I don't have a meter with me to test it.

Very unscientific but it seems to make a difference.

 

[wseternmd]

I get what they are trying to get at. You can not compare a lavatube that has been proven time and time again to be inaccurate as to what the display is telling you are vaping and what you know by taste vapor ect it is vaping at. To be honest I do not own either but we all know a LT is not as accurate as the provari. So try the test again this time use two devices that have been tested to be accurate and have the wattage battery capacity and so on. Then go and put your boge, stardust or HH 357 and see if there is any difference and report back to us.

Happy vaping

Josh

 

[B2L]

I get what they are trying to get at. You can not compare a lavatube that has been proven time and time again to be inaccurate as to what the display is telling you are vaping and what you know by taste vapor ect it is vaping at. To be honest I do not own either but we all know a LT is not as accurate as the provari. So try the test again this time use two devices that have been tested to be accurate and have the wattage battery capacity and so on. Then go and put your boge, stardust or HH 357 and see if there is any difference and report back to us.

Happy vaping

Josh

Vaping homework!

 

[DaveP]

A shiney mod vapes better

Actually, whatever I have is best. I couldn't be wrong, could I?

 

[DaveP]

I get what they are trying to get at. You can not compare a lavatube that has been proven time and time again to be inaccurate as to what the display is telling you are vaping and what you know by taste vapor ect it is vaping at. To be honest I do not own either but we all know a LT is not as accurate as the provari. So try the test again this time use two devices that have been tested to be accurate and have the wattage battery capacity and so on. Then go and put your boge, stardust or HH 357 and see if there is any difference and report back to us.

Happy vaping

Josh

True. Amperage rating of the mod is crucial if you intend to load it down with low resistance coils. The Twist is a pretty fair product for the price. You get variable voltage for twenty-something bucks, but if you set it to a higher voltage and screw on a dual coil or a 1.5 ohm atty, and it won't deliver anywhere near the dialed voltage.

Operated within design limits, there are many inexpensive VV Mods that will deliver a good vape. Stress them and the difference begins to show.

Thise video from Cozzcon shows the difference using an inline voltmeter.

 

[MickeyRat]

You're right of course, for the most part. There is power regulation as well though. A mod that doesn't fall off before the battery is ready for the charger is a real plus. However, I don't know of a VV that isn't regulated. As far as the vape goes a Madvapes VV box mod vapes as well as a Provari or a Buzz Pro. Anything that is able to handle the amps will too.

There are a few other considerations like is it durable? What kind of batteries will it take? Some people are afraid of stacked batteries. I've never used one so I can't say now much difference it makes but, PWM mods like the Vmax could very well deliver a different feeling vape.

After that's it's glitter and bells and whistles.

 

[Xaiver]

I think that you need to think about what's inside the mod too, as far as wires and connections. I don't think that twist ties solder all that well, so your home-made barn mod would probably have some issues with electrical conductivity...and smell probably.

In a perfect world, yes, the 10 dollar box mod and the 100 dollar tube mod would vape the same with the same attachment. This is far from a perfect world though, you have to consider the time and effort that went into the tube vs the box. I imagine that someone in their basement was slapping together box mods saying "There's 3 dollars, there's another 3 dollars...there's another 3 dollars...Yay! I've made 9 dollars in the last two hours." isn't all that worried about how well their soldering is, or if it's all put together 100% fantasically, their QC is probably pretty low.

Look at the flip side though. Someone putting together 100 dollar mods knows that someone buying this expects a quality device, and is (probably) going to make certain that it's fully functional. Does one slip through? Sure, but it's not usually as rampant as the cheap-o ones.

Variable Voltage is more about fine-tuning your accessories though. If I put a 1.5ohm carto or a 3ohm carto on a VV mod, I can make them vape roughly the same, without buying new hardware to go with it.

Oh, and pretty = better too.

 

[Rocketman]

Oh, and pretty = better too.

Bigger and shiny

 

[iamtumus]

well..different mods have different factors that have an effect on the vape quality.
for example, some mods have thread setups that with certain cartos/attys/tanks, they won't get enough airflow to be able to pull a decent hit out of it.
however, too much airflow can cause you to get too high of air content compared to the vapor which will affect vapor production and throat hit.

 

[MickeyRat]

Bigger and shiny

I can't help but, laugh especially since I've seen pics of some of your very nice homemade efforts that aren't all that shiney. I keep getting this picture of Frankenstein's Monster holding a PV and saying, "Big and shiney" with a grin in a slow deep voice when I see these.

 

[tj99959]

Actually the PV is 1/3 of the equation, but it is just as an important a third as the other two. Yes I can, and have, built 5$ box mods that will vape right along side the big boys *providing* I use the proper head, and the proper juice. It's pretty lousy if I want to use a DCC or even a 3ohm atty tho'. Then again, my 5v PT won't even fire a LR atty or carto, but is a dream from heaven with a 3ohm carto on it.
But, I also have PV's that work equally as well, no matter what I use on them. So yes, a good PV does make a difference even tho' it is still only 1/3 of the equation.

 

[vdrum4250]

my car runs beter when its clean and shiny... same concept vape is better with clean and pretty

 

[Xaiver]

my car runs beter when its clean and shiny... same concept vape is better with clean and pretty

My car runs better when there's chinese food in it...and it smells amaaaazing.