I have been clean for about 2 months now since my last cigarette. When i started vaping, i wanted to do it the hard way - meaning i never smoked e juice with any type of nic. in it. I feel like the vaping already cured my addiction. But now my new addiction is vaping lol. Is it ok to vape for the fun of it? Will it hurt me in any way? (kind of a dumb question but i nid the answer)
Is it ok to vape?
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It's certainly alot healthier then smoking but the testing is still in very early days so its not clear wether or not it is harmful for you in anyway in my opinion no but inhaling anything other the oxygen for prolonged periods of times can't be beneficial for you
My nic level is 6 right now.
And honestly, I'm more addicted to the gear than I am to actually Vaping. Ha.
It's like being a kid again. Except I don't have to ask mommy and daddy for the toys I want.
And honestly, I'm more addicted to the gear than I am to actually Vaping. Ha.
It's like being a kid again. Except I don't have to ask mommy and daddy for the toys I want.
As far as i have read studies seem to be geared mostly to the use of Nic mg/ml in vaping and what does nic actually do in the long run on its own w/out all those other chemicals in traditional cigs. For me i just like the taste w/ 0mg. And PG and VG are already FDA safe. OP look into CASAA. They have surveys from 2011 on e-cigs. E-cigs look very promising my friends!!
so what ur saying is that its ok for me to vape for fun? if yes, then thats good news
That's not been conclusively proven can't have been otherwise Paris Hilton would have strangled herself to death before now
we yet dont know what vaping will do to us 30 years from now, however it does look promising so far. and as an added bonus we get to vape for science and the wellfare of generations to come. we lead the way into the future.
it is our responsibility to vape on!
it is our responsibility to vape on!
true but cigarettes are far more deadly than vaping. but im wondering if its healthy to be "addicted" to vaping. if i can get an answer then i will be a happy camper
As an ex-smoker - yes continue if you want for the 'fun' of it because your smoking addiction is more than nicotine and staying with the vaping wil keep you from going back to smoking - or failing in your cessation program. If you never smoked a tobacco product - not do not take up vaping. Its two sides of one very important coin.
Now that you kicked the nicotine you have kicked a big part of the 'smoking' addiction but, for most not, all of it (only as much as 1/3rd to 1/2 of it). Very few people smoked just for the nicotine, although they did not realize it in many cases until they quit,, and most did not start because they woke up one day and decided nicotine was a cool drug of choice. Other and sometime more addition to smoking is the 'fun' part of it (which is still there even if now socially its considered 'nasty') as well as what is called the oral fixation addiction and the mechanical 'habit'. The brains of smokers and even people that eventually become smokers interpret movements, gestures and expressions of other smokers in a extremely positive light - more the a social activity or being 'cool'. A lot of this was discovered when tobacco companies no longer could advertise on TV, in Theaters, in magazines about how 'social' and cool' and elite smoking was - somehow, without ever being told that from the outside the brain saw something in what a smoker does as something that would be relaxing and satisfying to its owner. There is a ot of research Some research saying that the brain recognized things other smokers were doing as things that looked 'satisfying' to them and therefore made smoking seem more attractive as something to do/try, and broke down barriers that a person might have had against smoking (knowledge of bad) because it was so attracted to these things.
Many assume that nicotine is so addictive that is what keeps you wanting to smoke for even years after you are nic free, but once past the withdrawl symptoms of nicotine, smoking should be like other drugs in its treatment. What most often drives that ex-smoker back is the very real need to pick up a cigarette as comfort and relaxing body movements. Many cessation programs try to help with this but working on getting you away from places and activities where you 'liked' a smoke, or found it relaxing or comforting - the movements were comforting not the nicotine and they know that they have to get you substituting another comfort routine. Some programs add biofeedback, or massage, taking up crafting and so on to try and fill in these needs.
If you tried things like gum and patches, like many, that urge to 'smoke' was a s strong when your body was getting ist Nicotine as when it was not. No matter how the nic settings in your blood - once its there keeping you blood levels up there is no craving for the nicotine itself - because you have that in your system. But people fail on patches and gum everyday because they say that the device 'takes' the edge off but they need more nicotine.- when really what they want and need are the other parts of the addition. Some use a replacement and still have a few smokes, even if it makes them feel a bit ill because they get too much nicotine - thinking that they want to smoke because they need more nicotine - when if fact they just need to handle the cigarette. Since the 'handling' works they decide that the patch or gum is not really giving them the nicotine and thats the issue. when its not. Many reports showed smokers that had blood levels of nicotine lower when they smokes cigarettes and felt no 'nicotine' cravings than when they were wearing a patch ahdn were still reporting that they were needing a 'nicotine fix'. If it was all about the nicotine the patch would solve the issue.
There was a popular but very short lived nicotine cessation device called a nicotine inhaler that was lobbied against strongly with the FDA (some lobbyists worried that it would be popular and work well - and it worked very well) it still had a drawback for some - you could feel an inhale but not an ex-hale.
Basically your PV is meeting all the components of a analog addiction and even if you have reduced the nicotine dependance to 0 you may not have gotten rid of the need to manipulate, move, inhale and exhale like you did with an analog. Because you can do this with a PV it makes for some really fast transitions for people - staying ones from tobacco to an alternative that is much safer. Many find, though that kicking the nic is easy compared to putting down the smoke and this is where your PV comes in. It maybe as easy as saying you want to inhale and exhale, whether it has nic or not or even tastes like a tobacco product.
All that said, of course, if you can walk away from the nic an the PV, that is always the best road - nothing is always better and we must be responsible enough to realize that even that now the 'inert' properties of e-juice (minus the nic) may testing al all other uses as harmless that someday someone might discover its not as good to inhale one or as safely as eating it or rubbing it into your skin.
Its one heck of alot better to get off the analog and onto a PV even with nic in the juice then staying with inhaling 4000 chemicals, 0 known carcinogens, tar and particulate matter. Nicotine has its side effects and health risks but they are very few compared to the analog and its not a carcinogen. You have beat even that by getting off the nic all together, and if inhaling and exhaling PG/BG and flavorings take care of the 'fun' factor and satisfy you so you don't care about nic and never get the urge to pick up an analog for 'comfort', you are way ahead in the whole health and safety circle that vaping 0 nic is most certainly better then any alternative.
Now that you kicked the nicotine you have kicked a big part of the 'smoking' addiction but, for most not, all of it (only as much as 1/3rd to 1/2 of it). Very few people smoked just for the nicotine, although they did not realize it in many cases until they quit,, and most did not start because they woke up one day and decided nicotine was a cool drug of choice. Other and sometime more addition to smoking is the 'fun' part of it (which is still there even if now socially its considered 'nasty') as well as what is called the oral fixation addiction and the mechanical 'habit'. The brains of smokers and even people that eventually become smokers interpret movements, gestures and expressions of other smokers in a extremely positive light - more the a social activity or being 'cool'. A lot of this was discovered when tobacco companies no longer could advertise on TV, in Theaters, in magazines about how 'social' and cool' and elite smoking was - somehow, without ever being told that from the outside the brain saw something in what a smoker does as something that would be relaxing and satisfying to its owner. There is a ot of research Some research saying that the brain recognized things other smokers were doing as things that looked 'satisfying' to them and therefore made smoking seem more attractive as something to do/try, and broke down barriers that a person might have had against smoking (knowledge of bad) because it was so attracted to these things.
Many assume that nicotine is so addictive that is what keeps you wanting to smoke for even years after you are nic free, but once past the withdrawl symptoms of nicotine, smoking should be like other drugs in its treatment. What most often drives that ex-smoker back is the very real need to pick up a cigarette as comfort and relaxing body movements. Many cessation programs try to help with this but working on getting you away from places and activities where you 'liked' a smoke, or found it relaxing or comforting - the movements were comforting not the nicotine and they know that they have to get you substituting another comfort routine. Some programs add biofeedback, or massage, taking up crafting and so on to try and fill in these needs.
If you tried things like gum and patches, like many, that urge to 'smoke' was a s strong when your body was getting ist Nicotine as when it was not. No matter how the nic settings in your blood - once its there keeping you blood levels up there is no craving for the nicotine itself - because you have that in your system. But people fail on patches and gum everyday because they say that the device 'takes' the edge off but they need more nicotine.- when really what they want and need are the other parts of the addition. Some use a replacement and still have a few smokes, even if it makes them feel a bit ill because they get too much nicotine - thinking that they want to smoke because they need more nicotine - when if fact they just need to handle the cigarette. Since the 'handling' works they decide that the patch or gum is not really giving them the nicotine and thats the issue. when its not. Many reports showed smokers that had blood levels of nicotine lower when they smokes cigarettes and felt no 'nicotine' cravings than when they were wearing a patch ahdn were still reporting that they were needing a 'nicotine fix'. If it was all about the nicotine the patch would solve the issue.
There was a popular but very short lived nicotine cessation device called a nicotine inhaler that was lobbied against strongly with the FDA (some lobbyists worried that it would be popular and work well - and it worked very well) it still had a drawback for some - you could feel an inhale but not an ex-hale.
Basically your PV is meeting all the components of a analog addiction and even if you have reduced the nicotine dependance to 0 you may not have gotten rid of the need to manipulate, move, inhale and exhale like you did with an analog. Because you can do this with a PV it makes for some really fast transitions for people - staying ones from tobacco to an alternative that is much safer. Many find, though that kicking the nic is easy compared to putting down the smoke and this is where your PV comes in. It maybe as easy as saying you want to inhale and exhale, whether it has nic or not or even tastes like a tobacco product.
All that said, of course, if you can walk away from the nic an the PV, that is always the best road - nothing is always better and we must be responsible enough to realize that even that now the 'inert' properties of e-juice (minus the nic) may testing al all other uses as harmless that someday someone might discover its not as good to inhale one or as safely as eating it or rubbing it into your skin.
Its one heck of alot better to get off the analog and onto a PV even with nic in the juice then staying with inhaling 4000 chemicals, 0 known carcinogens, tar and particulate matter. Nicotine has its side effects and health risks but they are very few compared to the analog and its not a carcinogen. You have beat even that by getting off the nic all together, and if inhaling and exhaling PG/BG and flavorings take care of the 'fun' factor and satisfy you so you don't care about nic and never get the urge to pick up an analog for 'comfort', you are way ahead in the whole health and safety circle that vaping 0 nic is most certainly better then any alternative.
Look. Post #2 summed it up. We don't have enough experience with this stuff yet. You're taking a risk. Good chance there's some degree of damage. What do you want us to say?
If it keeps you off the stinkies....it's a positive thing. But....if you can stay off tobacco and stay off vaping...that's best.
I'm not privy to the science behind vaping, but I know after smoking for 10 years (and vaping for the last 8 months), I'm not coughing anymore, my chest doesn't hurt, and I'm not succumbing to the common cold or similar ailments every other week.
But I'm with the guy that mentioned "inhaling anything other than oxygen for an extended period of time can't be good".
It's our responsibility (as it was to take up smoking cigarettes in the first place) to keep an eye out for advances in related studies.
But I'm with the guy that mentioned "inhaling anything other than oxygen for an extended period of time can't be good".
It's our responsibility (as it was to take up smoking cigarettes in the first place) to keep an eye out for advances in related studies.
Everything in moderation is the rule my Mother always taught me. Science seems to bear this out as well. The human organism is designed to heal itself and it is remarkable in this regard. As a full-time cancer researcher, I know that the link between cancer and smoking, for example, came in 1984 as a result of the largest medical study ever conducted. What you never hear about is that moderate smokers (less than 1/2 a pack per day) actually scored the same as non-smokers in every category except oral cancer in that same report. Moderate pipe and cigar smokers (less then two pipes or two cigars per day) actually showed slightly better results than non-smokers in that same report. The native Americans of the U.S. have used tobacco in moderation for millennia without ill effect as they sat around their smoky camp fires. The point is not to say smoking is ok, because the 519 additives combust to create over 4,000 chemicals in tobacco smoke, of which more than 100 are known carcinogens, but to suggest that moderation in all things allows the body the opportunity to heal itself. Now, a compromised body immune system can cause even water to become dangerous. As it turns out, and no great surprise here, it's the toxins in the smoke, the water, the air, the food, etc. that cause the cancer to grow out of control, and, even then, only in a compromised body. A seed will grow a tree, but only if it lands in fertile soil with sunlight and water available. Conditions have to be right for any of these things to harm us, and it's almost always a combination of factors that have to be just right. The problem is that 30, 40, 50 years of toxicity, including smoking with its toxins, heavy metals, etc., does tend to compromise our immune systems and prepare the soil accordingly. Even if we have an answer to your question, i.e., yes or no, it still depends on the condition of the person in question. Only one in ten smokers develop lung cancer, but one in 100 non-smokers develop lung cancer, America's deadliest cancer, and the least researched cancer in the last 30 years thanks to the dubious connection to smoking in the 1984 medical studies. Again, I know that smoking is deadly, and vaping is significantly better for us than smoking, but I suspect there will never be an easy answer to your question, as there are an unlimited number of variables and causal factors. Sorry I got off on this tangent, but the question "Is it ok" is pretty broad and I think does encompass the health issue as I suspect the topic was suggesting. Imho, I say vaping IS ok for you compared with smoking. Compared with non-smoking, I would suggest that moderation is once again the answer....generally speaking. I doubt that more studies will be able to answer this question completely.
But I do have to clear it with my wife (only if I feel like getting any loving any time soon
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I'm 78 so I'm not really concerned about the long term consequences of vaping, but I'm certain that vaping is healthier than smoking.
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