Is it steeping....?

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On another note (perhaps worthy of a seperate thread Vapntime?) - I'm VERY impressed with some of the Australian juices I've tasted. I didn't realise there were so many good vendors around (well I've only found three so far) - but I mean REALLY good. I'm stocking up on a few Outerworld's flavours and Van Vapes Custardy for the trip back home. I'm looking at Vagabond Vapor now. I'm planning to hunt down some more vendors and try their offerings. I'll be taking back two of the largest bottle I can get of each flavour. I don't know how to explain it - but the juices taste very different to the U.S. makers I normally buy. I thought adding the nic was a pain (for those who don't know you can't buy juice with Nic in it in Aus but you can import your own Nic and add it) - because you definitely have to steep to allow the Nic to do its magic - but geeze it's worth the wait.

Lots of Aussies love Vaping Supplies and Australian Vaping Liquids but it looks like you a doing a good job finding them anyway. The only problem with a lot of Aussie vendors is the lack of customisation. It's hard to find max VG for example.
 

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Lots of Aussies love Vaping Supplies and Australian Vaping Liquids but it looks like you a doing a good job finding them anyway. The only problem with a lot of Aussie vendors is the lack of customisation. It's hard to find max VG for example.

I've found those three so far - Outerworld, Van Vapes and Vagabond - thanks for the link I'll check it out. Outerworld in particular has a few flavours that are really good, the Van Vapes Custardy is really good - I haven't tried their other flavours and I'm going to sample Vagabond soon when I get the chance. I agree it seems it's generally 50/50 doubles which I then add 100% VG to - but I don't mind vaping 70/30 ish - but it would be nice to have a max VG option. Maybe it affects the flavour balance if they go 100%.
 

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Steeping is the act of letting your juice chemically mix over a period of time... Bottle top on or off, just adds/removes the AIR (oxygen) from that chemical cocktail equation.
So bourbon and wine "steeps" in barrels?

A tea bag "steeps" in hot water. Coffee grounds "steep" in a french press.

A liquid in a closed container sitting undisturbed for a period of time to let said components of the liquid to "marry" and "chemically mix" is called "aging".

"Steeping" is not what we're doing in the case of eliquids.

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The moment it's mixed "juice" begins to age sealed or not. Aging (time), allows flavor molecules to diffuse and interact with each other at the molecular level. Shaking and stirring alone will not achieve this but does help expedite the process. Some "juice" flavors (like simple fruits), require very little aging and taste great fresh while others (like NETs), benefit greatly and only achieve their true flavor potential through the aging process.

Each time a bottle of "juice" is opened (uncapped), fresh air containing oxygen is introduced. Over time, oxidation can alter/modify flavor. Promoting a light oxidation can briefly enhance some flavors while other flavors gain no benefit from it at all. Given enough time oxidation will ultimately ruin "juice" causing it to darken, taste flat/bland and its nicotine content to slowly diminish. Even when sealed oxygen permeates through most plastic containers so the contents will slowly and continuously oxidize even if the container is never opened. Oxygen can't permeate through glass which is why airtight glass containers are better suited for -long term- storage of e-liquids, especially liquid nic.
 
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So bourbon and wine "steeps" in barrels?

A tea bag "steeps" in hot water. Coffee grounds "steep" in a french press.

A liquid in a closed container sitting undisturbed for a period of time to let said components of the liquid to "marry" and "chemically mix" is called "aging".

"Steeping" is not what we're doing in the case of eliquids.

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It's Both, IMO.. In the case of Juice the difference is the TIME factor. Steeped juice was mixed less than a week ago, and vaped today. For me steeping involves air exchange and frequent agitation and sometimes heat. Aging requires long periods of UNDISTURBED time in storage, with limited exposure to air or heat and only a couple shakes a week, if that, to stir things up.

Steeped juice can be improved with aging and Aged juice can need to steep.
 

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Steeping involves a solid compound leaching flavors, oils, essence inside a liquid. i.e. a teabag, coffee, fruit (in the case of flavored alcohol) There is no solid material suspended in bottled eliquid so the term does not apply. Its as simple as that.

Strictly by definition the term "steeping" is wrong. All it is is a "buzzword".




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The moment it's mixed "juice" begins to age sealed or not. Aging (time), allows flavor molecules to diffuse and interact with each other at the molecular level. Shaking and stirring alone will not achieve this but does help expedite the process. Some "juice" flavors (like simple fruits), require very little aging and taste great fresh while others (like NETs), benefit greatly and only achieve their true flavor potential through the aging process.

Each time a bottle of "juice" is opened (uncapped), fresh air containing oxygen is introduced. Over time, oxidation can alter/modify flavor. Promoting a light oxidation can briefly enhance some flavors while other flavors gain no benefit from it at all. Given enough time oxidation will ultimately ruin "juice" causing it to darken, taste flat/bland and its nicotine content to slowly diminish. Even when sealed oxygen permeates through most plastic containers so the contents will slowly and continuously oxidize even if the container is never opened. Oxygen can't permeate through glass which is why airtight glass containers are better suited for -long term- storage of e-liquids, especially liquid nic.

Yes, this is the science. But, what does it mean when a vendor suggests a 'steeping' period or sells 'pre-steeped liquid'? Surely, its not to leave it in an unopened bottle for 7 days etc.
 
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Yes, this is the science. But, what does it mean when a vendor suggests a 'steeping' period or sells 'pre-steeped liquid'? Surely, its not to leave it in an unopened bottle for 7 days etc.

Many vendors recommend you age (steep), their line of e-liquids (juice), to achieve optimal flavor and some vendors offer juice that is pre-aged (pre-steeped). Pre-steeped simply implies they have already allowed the juice to adequately age before selling/shipping it. When people speak of un-capping a bottle of juice to allow air exchange it's usually in reference to a juice that has an undesirable floral, chemical and or alcohol nuance. The general idea is that uncapping it every now and then while it's aging (steeping), causes the undesirable floral, chemical and or alcohol taste to dissipate. Personally, I don't vape anything that has an undesirable flavor nuance. I age and store my juice sealed airtight in tinted glass containers.
 

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Steeping involves a solid compound leaching flavors, oils, essence inside a liquid. i.e. a teabag, coffee, fruit (in the case of flavored alcohol) There is no solid material suspended in bottled eliquid so the term does not apply. Its as simple as that.

Strictly by definition the term "steeping" is wrong. All it is is a "buzzword".

True, unless you're soaking or extracting -something- you're not actually "steeping" anything. I "steep" tobacco in solvent to extract flavor from it. I then "age" mixed NET allowing the flavor time to fully develop. But I understand what people mean when they say "steep" and as far as -vogue words- go it could be far worse.
 
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