Is mixing pure nicotine to make a nic base a good idea? All sugestions and advice welcome.....

[Mikenet]

I thought I was saving money by looking to buy nicotine in a PG base at 100mg or 50mg, then mixing my own liquids from their. However as I was shopping for nicotine liquids, I found out that I can save even more money by buying pure nicotine and making my own bases. Well, maybe.

I ran across some nicotine at a website that was 99% pure nicotine, I asked a representative at the website how many Mg per Ml was in this and they said.....

"pure nicotine has 990 mg / ml"

That would make this a very cheap alternative to buying premixed nic bases, the bottle I was looking at was only 10 dollars for 25ml. Im thinking I can dilute this into a much larger bottle of PG to make my own nicotine base for a fraction of the cost of what it's being sold for if its already mixed.

There are obvious concerns I have with this however. First concern I have would be my safety. Premixed bases at 100mg per ml are already dangerous, so I'm assuming this would kill me if it touched my skin.

The other big concern I have is that I don't know what procedures are being used when a distributor creates a nicotine base in either PG or VG. Is it possible that they use machinery to mix pure nicotine into a base so that the nicotine is evenly distributed? Or perhaps they use some sort of additive to help the nicotine blend well with whatever PG or VG base they use?

I guess my concern is that if I get my ratios figured out, and end up getting pure nicotine, what then? Do i just add the proper amount of nicotine to a 120 ML bottle of PG and stir or shake the hell out it, or is it more complicated than that?

What im hoping here is that I can create a nicotine base of PG that is 100mg per ML, or maybe less in a large bottle. That way I dont have to deal with the pure nicotine every time I mix. From their Id use my custom made nicotine base to mix with VG, PG, and flavoring to create a vapable liquid that is 24mg per ml.

One last concern I have is where I can get this nicotine at a decent quality at prices that are comparable to what I listed. I was informed that discussing selling is not taken lightly in forum debate so on this topic id be willing to be PMed for any tips on where to buy the pure nicotine.

This being my first time with DIY, I may end up waiting before I start dealing with pure nicotine, but it does sound like a great way to save money on DIY mixes so If I don't buy something like this with my first purchase any information I get here would be helpful for future purchases.

One last thing, does anybody know if that 990 Mg per Ml for pure nicotine is an accurate figure?

Thanks in Advance

Mike

 

[VapPornRules]

Wow I never heard of pure nicotine - that could be super dangerous - a drop on your skin would probably be a big problem

 

[k3vin]

yes one drop of pure unadaultered nic can kill you..It is against forum rules to discuss nic in such dilutions in such purity,as it can KILL.. You need to edit your post,and as you being a first time diy'er should not consider such a hazardous endeavour...

EVEN the FUMES can cause problems,and p[ossibly death..

No reason to go over 100mg...

 

[Mikenet]

yes one drop of pure unadaultered nic can kill you..It is against forum rules to discuss nic in such dilutions in such purity,as it can KILL.. You need to edit your post,and as you being a first time diy'er should not consider such a hazardous endeavour...

EVEN the FUMES can cause problems,and p[ossibly death..

I knew this was dangerous, which is why I mentioned Id be concerned about safety if I ever tried this. what is it id need to edit in the post specifically? Id be glad to help out if I can.

 

[k3vin]

click on edit post and actually,,get rid of the whole post...just post something like nevermind I decided to go with 100mg. nic base.

 

[hairball]

I've never purchased 100mg nic from the vendor who's link you provided. I always bought mine from Best Electronic Cigarettes and E-Liquid - MyFreedomSmokes.com. His pure nic is very good.

If you get any on you, just use commone sense and wash it off. I've gotten 100mg nic on me many a times and I'm still breathing. It absorbs into your skin slower than you think.

As for forum rules, it's discussed on here all the time as far as storing, mixing, and safe handling. The only time it goes against forum rules, is if it's for sale.

The best thing to do, and the cheapest, is to buy some and dilute it down to a safer level for mixing.

 

[Mikenet]

Before I edit this post, let me be sure here. I can just remove the references on where to I was looking to buy the nicotine, or is this whole forum toast as soon as a moderator comes along?

 

[VapPornRules]

yes one drop of pure unadaultered nic can kill you..It is against forum rules to discuss nic in such dilutions in such purity,as it can KILL.. You need to edit your post,and as you being a first time diy'er should not consider such a hazardous endeavour...

EVEN the FUMES can cause problems,and p[ossibly death..

No reason to go over 100mg...

I mean, you cant say there's NO reason to go over 100mg - you only need ONE reason -- it's CHEAPER!

If I was selling lots of e-liquid I would buy the pure stuff. You just need to run your business properly, like a laboratory.

But you are right -- if you are mixing just for yourself I would say pure nic is a horrible idea.

 

[k3vin]

yea,I did generalize..I should of made it clearer..and you have,thanks vape.

 

[nanovapr]

I am new to mixing, but I do not believe anyone should be handling or mixing 990 mg/ml in their home. If you have to ask, you don't have the proper equipment; you should not try it. As mentioned, no need to go over 100 mg/ml

 

[markfm]

Just edit references to "where" out. You asked a fair question, just that the answer is "don't do it, it's dangerous, takes professional lab/chemical equipment to handle safely".

Personally, I bought a couple bottles at 100 mg/ml strength, the max commonly available, until I actually ran the numbers -- you will normally find that 60 mg/ml strength is more bang for the buck (more total mg of nicotine per $ spent, when you run the numbers).

Nowadays, and for many months, I use 60 mg/ml. Personally I like voidmist, they have a good price point, it's strong enough to be able to easily go up to a 36 mg/ml final mix, if need be, and a lot easier to work with when mixing smaller batches at lower nic levels. Other vendors also sell good nic base, at 50 - 100 mg/ml strength.

 

[butterbean03]

If you get some on your hand, you won't have enough time to call 911. Best left to the professionals. I would delete this thread or ask a Mod to.

 

[Ande]

What the moderators think, I have no idea. (about your post.)

BUT.

If you have to ask about how to do it, DON'T do it.

Handling nicotine at that level of purity is hazardous, and calls for professional laboratory level safety precautions and procedures. (In my opinion, not just the physical precautions such as gloves, masks, fume hoods, appropriate glassware, cleaning procedures...but also the procedural ones, where the total quantities involved are requisitioned for cause, and any surplus accounted for, etc...)

If you're not sure (trained) about what this means, and don't have the facilities. (A lab, preferably with a stockroom supervisor) then just DON'T.

Buying nic liquid premixed in 100 (or even 50 or 30) mg per ml concentration may be SLIGHTLY less economical, but come on- it's pretty cheap. And you might as well live to vape it.


Ande

 

[Mikenet]

I edited my original post to take out the references to where I was looking to perhaps buy nicotine. Not sure if this was necessary but I dont want to give anyone the impression that Im promoting this idea or a website, which could in turn lead to the forum being closed

 

[Nunnster]

I don't think you can even get pure nic like that in the mail. No reason to even try, but If I remember from the 49 CFR, you have to have to be all kind of certified to even mail it because you have to package and label it like hazmat, fill out the appropriate forms etc. Then the driver has to be hazmat qualified to drive it somewhere. The person mailing it, if they somehow do just put it in the mail like that, and something were to happen (i.e leak or get on someone, someones mail or the like) there is a HEFTY fine and possible jail time for each infraction (each infraction can be crazy to mind you, like one word spelled wrong on one form is an infraction, and can cost you. If you have no form, take each piece of data that has to be on the form and you are going to owe someone more money then I will ever see in my lifetime) . I might be over thinking because hazmat used to me my job, but pure nic is serious stuff, and even as a trained person in hazmat disposal I would not even mess with it inside my home. Something that takes one little accidental drop from a syringe and kills me? No thank you.

 

[MrByte]

I don't think you can even get pure nic like that in the mail. No reason to even try, but If I remember from the 49 CFR, you have to have to be all kind of certified to even mail it because you have to package and label it like hazmat, fill out the appropriate forms etc. Then the driver has to be hazmat qualified to drive it somewhere. The person mailing it, if they somehow do just put it in the mail like that, and something were to happen (i.e leak or get on someone, someones mail or the like) there is a HEFTY fine and possible jail time for each infraction (each infraction can be crazy to mind you, like one word spelled wrong on one form is an infraction, and can cost you. If you have no form, take each piece of data that has to be on the form and you are going to owe someone more money then I will ever see in my lifetime) . I might be over thinking because hazmat used to me my job, but pure nic is serious stuff, and even as a trained person in hazmat disposal I would not even mess with it inside my home. Something that takes one little accidental drop from a syringe and kills me? No thank you.

While nicotine is poisonous, and all that, I will speak directly to the Hazmat allegations above.

I held a hazmat endorsement on my CDL until I transferred my CDL to Florida. The reason I didn't continue my hazmat status is because I didn't wish to spend the $100 to get a background check for hazmat endorsements now required thanks to stupid politicos wanting to make people feel safe.

In general, Hazardous materials being carried in amounts smaller than 1000lbs do no require marking. So, if you are a private driver, in your car, carrying 999lbs of pure or 990ml nicotine, you are not in violation of any laws. You may be a candidate for posthumous reception of the Darwin Award, but you're not going to jail.

Mailing the stuff would be subject to postal regs, which I don't know. However, you can UPS the stuff, I'm sure.

And pardon me for being a grump, but there was WAY too much chest beating in this post about how "wrong" it is to even ask the question about using/mixing/wanting to try pure nicotine. It's SOOO awful, lets pull out (dun dun dunnnnnnn!) Forum Regs.

The OP asked a question, and the answers ranged from informative to borderline calling him criminal to suggest such a thing as saving money.

</rant>

I get my 100ml from MyFreedomSmokes.com, I try to catch it on sale. I prefer 100ml because I sell juice, and I can have the flavored bases made and just dispense into a 10ml bottle, and add the nic. Lower nic level = add more = diluted flavor.
100ml is also easier to calculate what to add for a given strength of final product.

 

[Mikenet]

On the topic of shipping, I can say this much. The site that I went to was selling this nicotine to anyone apparently, as long as they were an adult. they had instructions for proper mixing ratios as well, in fact the entire site looked like it was tailored for everyday consumers, not necessarily distributors.

So Im sure they ship the stuff.

 

[Mikenet]

So Ive heard much to confirm what I had already suspected. Pure nicotine is very dangerous, and mixing it should not be taken lightly. However if its being sold to private citizens then I know it's being mixed by them as well, without a lab being required.

I still have many questions, Id like to say first off that I'll definitely wait before I try this. I'll give myself a few months or even a year of mixing experience with diluted nicotine bases. When I work up the guts for this it will save me quite a bit of money so im still very interested.

My biggest questions involve how to mix pure nicotine into PG to make a base.

Would the steps be as simple as the following...

Step 1 Figure out what I want my nic base strength to be and figure out how much pure nicotine to add to the PG or VG

Step 2 Take a bottle of pg or vg of desired size and empty out say (5% to 10% of its contents to allow room for nicotine and room to shake, and consider the amount I remove into my ratios.

Step 3 Dress in full protective clothing "gloves, masks, fume hoods, appropriate glassware"

Step 4 Open the bottle of nicotine and extract the appropriate amount into a syringe or Pipette.

Step 5 Inject that amount into the bottle of PG or VG.

Step 6 Close the lid and shake the bottle for several minutes

Step 7 Do an acid and blue nicotine test to determine the amount of nicotine in the base liquid I've created.



Id like to think its that simple but I don't really know what the procedure is. If anyone knows of a site or a forum, or has information they can share here im all ears. The procedure above sounds much like how I would go about mixing nic bases that are already diluted, with pg and vg to make vapable liquids. The problem is that I don't know if the procedure for diluting pure nicotine into PG would be the same.

One thing I'm not sure about is if distributors use machinery or other procedures to make a standard PG nicotine base. Or if they add anything to help the nicotine bind with the the PG to prevent it from separating. If they are simply mixing it, then I can do that myself when I get some experience under my belt.

 

[k3vin]

Its not that I thought that it was awful what Mike posted when pulling out the reg's..But I did not want to see him get into trouble..

 

[Nunnster]

I am just recalling an 80 hour block of training specifically about shipping/handling of hazmat, as well as 7 years experience of dealing with CBRNE in the army. I recall nicotine from the specif class in question, because at the time I was a smoker, and had questions about nicotine because I saw it in the 49 CFR and asked the instructor questions. The 1000lbs is not true in lots of instances. For example, infectious substances (you really think you need 1000lbs of anthrax before it becomes hazmat?), explosives (how many lbs of TNT do you need?), or highly dangerous chemicals/elements (dont know why anyone would ship it or even if you can, but if you could, Rubidium would be a good example of this) just to name a few. Part 40 CFR 216.33. is a good reference to look at as well to, because nicotine patches and such have to be disposed in a special way to conform to EPA regulations, and we as vapors deal with this kind of concentration of nic everyday in our eliquid that would be subject to this.... I am getting way off topic, and I am sorry. I felt like you were attacking the validity of my statement. I was just adding my opinion on the subject, because the OP asked if it was a good idea. I may not be right about the mail, you might be able to ship it, that is why I said "I dont think" instead of "I know for a fact" And maybe in the small amount that would be shipped it may not be considered hazmat, but I know the threshold is far lower then what you said in your statement. I tend to look at everything as hazmat because I dealt with it for so long.

Anyways, Back on topic, this is not a good idea. Maybe if you had a lab I could see it, but I would never do it. Anyways, just my 2 cents.