Is Provape in danger of becoming like Blackberry?

[p.opus]

So as promised I said I'd report back when I actually got my Provari. So I've been running it through it's paces for 24 hours and I must say I love it. I don't tind the single button control that big of a problem. Yeah it's a lot of pushes but frankly I don't change voltage that often and only do that and the ohm check if I'm grabbing a tank I've not used in a while and don't remember what coil is in it. THe Nautilus greatly simplified things for me as I run 1.8's in all 5 of em.

So, a bit of history - I had a specific problem I was trying to solve. My VAMO5 does a damn good job for the $50 the full kit cost me. BUT when the battery dips below 3.6V I notice that the coils start to taste burnt and below 3.5 the vapor production drops. My MVP doesn't develop the burnt problem "in yellow" but it too drops off in vapor production. Cool fire, same deal as MVP. EVIC - haven't used it in a year so I can't remember.

Everyone raves how good the PV is at regulating so I did some tests:

VAMO V5 (Set at 4.8 on 1.8 Ohm Coil) Batt 4.1V. Actual output 4.64
VAMO V5 (Set at 4.8 on 1.8 Ohm Coil) Batt 3.6V. Actual output 4.35 (and burnt taste)
VAMO V5 (Set at 4.8 on 1.8 Ohm Coil) Batt 3.4V. Actual output 4.34 (and burnt taste)

Provari Mini (Set at 4.8 on 1.8 Ohm Coil) Batt 4.1V. Actual output 4.76
Provari Mini (Set at 4.8 on 1.8 Ohm Coil) Batt 3.6V. Actual output 4.75
Provari Mini (Set at 4.8 on 1.8 Ohm Coil) Batt 3.4V. Actual output 4.75

Top top it off I hit it until it shut off from a dead battery and it was giving me 4.74 - 4.75.

So nutshell is it does a much better job. I need to do a similar test with the MVP out of curiosity. I surmise the reason my coils taste burned on the VAMO is the 33hz PWM is hitting that thing with 6V too long trying to compensate for the declining battery. Too lazy to break out my scope to prove that though.

The MVP does lag, but you won't get the "burnt" taste or any other side effects of PWM because the MVP doesn't use it.

That's because the MVP does not use step up Voltage regulation (from what I understand). If you look at the actual battery in one, it appears that the device actually consists of two LIPO batteries hooked in series so the device is always stepping down.

It's also why the MVP has the smooth output signal. It's pure DC.....

You can see the 8.7V printed on the LIPO "pack" in the linked image below (thanks google...)

http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s621/zack44441/5a_zps1bf566a4.jpg

This is also why you don't have any PWM or rattlesnake with the MVP....Everything is being done by stepping down the voltage.

When you are a box mod, you don't need to be confined to using single 4.2V cells and the step up voltage regulation needed to boost the voltage.

And of course you discovered one of the major selling points (and source of expense) of the ProVari. unparalleled voltage regulation throughout the discharge cycle of the battery. No one does it better.

 

[Ed_C]

The MVP does lag, but you won't get the "burnt" taste or any other side effects of PWM because the MVP doesn't use it.
It's also why the MVP has the smooth output signal. It's pure DC.....

I don't believe this to be true. I'm pretty sure the MVP uses PWM, but like the ProVari, it's at a much higher frequency.

 

[tearose50]

I don't believe this to be true. I'm pretty sure the MVP uses PWM, but like the ProVari, it's at a much higher frequency.

This is my understanding as well.

Phill Busardo has video reviews on Provari, MVP, Vamo (and many more) and shows the devices on some fancy equipment, usually near the end, if one wants to see the output on screens, graphs and such.

 

[Rossum]

The MVP does lag, but you won't get the "burnt" taste or any other side effects of PWM because the MVP doesn't use it.

That's because the MVP does not use step up Voltage regulation (from what I understand). If you look at the actual battery in one, it appears that the device actually consists of two LIPO batteries hooked in series so the device is always stepping down.

It's also why the MVP has the smooth output signal. It's pure DC.....

You can see the 8.7V printed on the LIPO "pack" in the linked image below (thanks google...)

http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s621/zack44441/5a_zps1bf566a4.jpg

This is also why you don't have any PWM or rattlesnake with the MVP....Everything is being done by stepping down the voltage.

When you are a box mod, you don't need to be confined to using single 4.2V cells and the step up voltage regulation needed to boost the voltage.

And of course you discovered one of the major selling points (and source of expense) of the ProVari. unparalleled voltage regulation throughout the discharge cycle of the battery. No one does it better.

Looks like 3.7V to me. How many LiPo cells would you need to get 8.7V anyway? Hint: The number is not an integer.

But even if it had two cells in series, the only way to step down voltage without doing "Switching" (which is intrinsically not "pure DC") involves huge losses (which would manifest themselves as heat) and the MVP clearly does not do that. It uses a switch-mode DC-DC converter.

 

[Midniteoyl]

The MVP uses a high frequency PWM. Not quite the Provari's, but pretty fast. Its batts are also in parallel and use a charge equalization chip.

 

[Katdarling]

Some things never change.

Look what the cat dragged in. Welcome back/home/here, E in Winter.

 

[p.opus]

Thank you all for the correction....

Never too old to learn.

 

[EddardinWinter]

They declined to publish "ProVarinati" even after a couple of us nominated it, yet they have this: Urban Dictionary: Provariskirt

They are swine.

They are dead to me. Haters.

"A frilly under garment, worn by all users of Provari personal vapourisers" so it is an Englishman hater...hmmm...I think I know a couple of those types....

 

[EuroChris]

The MVP uses a high frequency PWM. Not quite the Provari's, but pretty fast. Its batts are also in parallel and use a charge equalization chip.

Flat output on the MVP 2.0. High frequency PWM on the Provari. Neither has the rattlesnake.

 

[PLANofMAN]

They should have improved the screen and an easy simple scrolling buttton control system with a good 30 watt chip and made is shorter and with a flat head,what were they thinking? Provape,go back to the drawing board.

Is this a troll post? They did improve the screen, added a scrolling control system, and a flat head. It isn't 30 watts or shorter though (even though I'm sure it's perfectly capable of pushing 50+ watts if ProVape wanted to go that route).

The MVP uses a high frequency PWM. Not quite the Provari's, but pretty fast. Its batts are also in parallel and use a charge equalization chip.

Flat output on the MVP 2.0. High frequency PWM on the Provari. Neither has the rattlesnake.

The MVP is what it is. A decent entry level variable power device that is a little bit tougher than the average Chinese made VV/VW mods. The power delivered and the oHm detection is not accurate, but for most users, it's "close enough."

 

[USMCotaku]

I've found it to be fairly accurate, but it does round to the neatest 10th

 

[Tangaroav]

The MVP is what it is. A decent entry level variable power device that is a little bit tougher than the average Chinese made VV/VW mods. The power delivered and the oHm detection is not accurate, but for most users, it's "close enough."

Well, I don't know about entry level... It offers all that the P3 will offer, at a lower weight and better form factor. (I hate to put in my mouth the dildo looking Provari (and other big phalic shape ecig)).

You could buy SIX(6) MVP for the price of the P3,

Even better, go for the undisputable best vaporiser presently on the market and buy TWO(2) Reo Grand for the expected price of ONE(1) Provari P3.

... and to top it all, the P3 will only be available in B&M shops. You will not be able to buy it on the web until who knows when.

I guess the old saying, ''you can lead a horse to water but ..........'' is a good analogy here.

 

[DPLongo22]

(I hate to put in my mouth the dildo looking Provari...).

Ummm, I think you're doing it wrong.

 

[ItTechy]

I played with (used my Kanger Mega Tank with it) a P3 at a B&M here in my home town, well close, and I liked it, I did not like the projected price: $325.00 is what the owner paid for their "tester", and they had nothing in print to suggest the MSRP would be much lower.

It's a hard sell at even $250.00 for me a I have 3 Provari' 2.5 (one mini).

In my case I would probably buy a Reo next.

Lastly you cannot compare a quality product made in the USA to anything made in China, sorry no contest!

As for is Provape like RIM with the Blackberry', no, not in my opinion.

Peace and keep the vape!

 

[Tangaroav]

I played with (used my Kanger Mega Tank with it) a P3 at a B&M here in my home town, well close, and I liked it, I did not like the projected price: $325.00 is what the owner paid for their "tester", and they had nothing in print to suggest the MSRP would be much lower.

It's a hard sell at even $250.00 for me a I have 3 Provari' 2.5 (one mini).

In my case I would probably buy a Reo next.

Lastly you cannot compare a quality product made in the USA to anything made in China, sorry no contest!

As for is Provape like RIM with the Blackberry', no, not in my opinion.

Peace and keep the vape!

Keep in mind the price of the objects here. You are comparing ONE P3 vaporizer at 325$ with the same specs as the SIX MVP's you get for about the same price . I agree, no contest in my opinion .

But then, if the marketing hype got to you and you must have one, well, go for it. Its your money and they are good vaporizers only a bit underpower for some, ( 20W is enough for me).

 

[EuroChris]

I played with (used my Kanger Mega Tank with it) a P3 at a B&M here in my home town, well close, and I liked it, I did not like the projected price: $325.00 is what the owner paid for their "tester", and they had nothing in print to suggest the MSRP would be much lower.

Someone I talked to said she paid $200 for her tester.

 

[stevegmu]

Keep in mind the price of the objects here. You are comparing ONE P3 vaporizer at 325$ with the same specs as the SIX MVP's you get for about the same price . I agree, no contest in my opinion .

But then, if the marketing hype got to you and you must have one, well, go for it. Its your money and they are good vaporizers only a bit underpower for some, ( 20W is enough for me).

Some of us like nice, well made things which have a history of reliability. Some of us care where things are made. Would you ride a China-made motorcycle? I don't care if I could buy half the Fastech catalog for the price of a ProVari; I wouldn't want nor would use that junk. As a member of The Finer Things Club, who is secure enough to use a tube mod, there is no other option for my APV...

 

[Midniteoyl]

So wait, none of you have anything made in China? Nothing? Just how many things do you think are made in China that are also made in the US?

 

[USMCotaku]

One of the best reviewed motorcycles on the market in the 500cc range is a Korean make....not everything made in the US is better and not everything out of Asia is junk

 

[Rossum]

So wait, none of you have anything made in China? Nothing?

I doubt anyone could claim that.

I won't try to speak for anyone else, but personally, when given a choice between something that's made in China and an item of similar functionality that's made somewhere else, I'll take the one that's made somewhere else every single time.