Is switching to vaping really quitting?

[DaveP]

Today marks a week for me using the Joye 510. In that time, I've cut my analog intake from 40 per day to less than 10. Yesterday, I had 6 Doral ultra lights. I'm still a smoker, but I've NOT consumed almost 200 cigarettes in the last week that I would have consumed normally!

This is significant for me. I don't have withdrawal symptoms and I've already found that I can walk up stairs and back down with no huffing and puffing involved. I look forward to greater gains in health in the future.

I've spent hours researching the E-cig and reading lab reports of the testing of E-cigs. While I know that vaping is probably not the healthiest thing I could do, it's about 200 times healthier than analog cigs.

I'm sold on the E-cig, especially since it turned out for me to be the easiest method to put down the analogs without the usual withdrawal problems.

 

[Chumbah]

Do I smoke? not any more, I vape.
Do I hock up foul looking tar and crud? not any more, I vape.
Do I have smokers dog breath? not any more, I vape.
Do I spend £6+ a day? not any more, I vape.
Am I ingesting those 3000+ cancer associated carcenogens? not any more, I vape.
Am I paying those effing awful smokers' tax to the govt? not any more, I vape.
Am I addicted to nicotine? yes, but I feel a hellova lot better about it now, because I vape!

Yeah, I quit smoking, but I enjoy vaping. I'll let you know if I ever want to quit that.

 

[Jonmo1]

You must first define "smoking" or "Smoker"

Definition of Smoking

Nowhere on that page do you find the word Nicotine.

So I would say I am no longer smoking.
So Yes, I quit.

Do I have any intention of quitting Vaping?
No, why should I? I like it.

 

[Icebaron]

It feels like I am cheating. But honestly, I was not going to even attempt to quit smoking till I found this alternative.

I may do this the rest of my life....I enjoyed smoking, I enjoy vaping even more.

 

[Grenage]

I think it's a little unfair to go by google searches, I mean there really wasn't anything to compare cigarette smoke to until recently.

If you want to be technical, one of the definitions of smoke in a dictionary is a "cloud of suspended particles". A smoker is someone who inhales smoke, surely?

 

[Jonmo1]

All I'm saying is...

Smoking is the "Method" for getting the nicotine into our body.
Vaping is a different METHOD to get nicotine into our body.
And it is NOT smoke, smoke comes from the combustion/burning of organic materials.
Nothing is combusted/burned in a PV.
The vapor is just like the steam from a pot of boiling water, do you call that smoke?
So vaping is not smoking
So If I Vape, therefor I do not smoke.

 

[Shortstuff116]

You must first define "smoking" or "Smoker"

Definition of Smoking

Nowhere on that page do you find the word Nicotine.

So I would say I am no longer smoking.
So Yes, I quit.

Do I have any intention of quitting Vaping?
No, why should I? I like it.

Perfect! That is exactly my thoughts, the technical definition of smoking.

However, it all boils down to semantics which is "The meaning or the interpretation of a word, sentence, or other language form." As you can see, it depends on your individual interpretation of the word "smoking".

It's not really argumentative, it's simply what your definition or interpretation of what smoking really is. In my opinion, I quit smoking which to me is the act of inhaling the smoke from burning tobacco. I do not compare vaping to smoking, but that is my interpretation, my belief.

For those who believe that you are still smoking, then I respect your opinion 100% and don't have a problem with it. It is what you believe and that is fine with me. I quit smoking and only ask that you respect my belief as well.

 

[Torke]

I hope some day soon I can convince my life insurance company I'm no longer a smoker to get the cheaper rates.

 

[Jonmo1]

Here's an analogy (I love analogies)

Driving is a "Method" to get from point A to point B

If I decided I would no longer drive a car.
But I still need to get from point A to point B.
So I chose to Walk or Ride a Bicycle from Point A to Point B instead of Drive a car.
Would that still be considered Driving?

I think Not.

 

[Grenage]

The vapor is just like the steam from a pot of boiling water, do you call that smoke?

No, it's not just water vapour at all. It's Propylene Glycol, Glycerol, Nicotine and possibly dubious list of additives for flavour and smell.

I love vaping and I'll continue to do so, but it's important to play Devil's Advocate here and there. As for the analogy (why is it always cars? lol), I think it would be more comparing aeroplanes. Some use jets, some use props, both fly and get you there.

 

[marcus88]

I'm happy with switching to vaping. Not really worried if I've "quit" or not. I no longer smell and have to run to the store every other day to get smokes.

 

[Nagios]

I would watch this video, it clears up this entire thread honestly. He is the owner of Totally Wicked Eliquids in case you don't recognize him.

YouTube - Sunny florida and Tobacco dependency Syndrome

 

[Grenage]

I think that a good video, albeit smacking heavily of a stance to keep e-cigs saleable. No health-claims, no 'this will save your life'.

 

[aphlaque_duck]

I would watch this video, it clears up this entire thread honestly. He is the owner of Totally Wicked Eliquids in case you don't recognize him.

He says doctors can treat nicotine dependence through NRT but I don't see how patches/gum are ANY are different from vaping, besides the delivery vehicle. If you're going to juxtapose them at least point out that NEITHER is efficacious.

Buproprion et al are a different story, and while I've had success quitting nicotine entirely for up to two years on it, the side effects were unacceptable and I'm finally satsified with vaping.

 

[Grenage]

He says doctors can treat nicotine dependence through NRT but I don't see how patches/gum are ANY are different from vaping

Patches and gum merely delivery nicotine through the skin, and gum orally. Vaping is inhaling several components, nicotine and a load of flavourings (and possibly colourings) into the lungs. You cant wash your lungs out, it's a well enclosed system.

 

[aphlaque_duck]

Patches and gum merely delivery nicotine through the skin, and gum orally. Vaping is inhaling several components, nicotine and a load of flavourings (and possibly colourings) into the lungs. You cant wash your lungs out, it's a well enclosed system.

Cute how you edited my statement to remove ", besides the delivery vehicle", which was the entire point of it.

So BESIDES THAT, what is the difference in terms of efficacy for quitting nicotine?

 

[Jonmo1]

The difference is that ecigs are not intended to reduce nicotine usage.
In fact, it's quite the opposite.
They are intended TO GIVE nicotine.

It's a happy coincidence that some find ecigs usefull for the purpose of quitting.

 

[aphlaque_duck]

The difference is that ecigs are not intended to reduce nicotine usage.
In fact, it's quite the opposite.
They are intended TO GIVE nicotine.

It's a happy coincidence that some find ecigs usefull for the purpose of quitting.

I hate to belabor the point, but they ALL give nicotine, and very few people manage to quit nicotine by such ramping down. It only makes the cravings worse unless you go cold turkey a flush it out of your system. The fact that gum and patches are marketed as cessation aids does not make them more effective than vaping. Obviously if you compared them, you would find sample bias because the people who buy NRT do intend to quit - after all, who wants to keep sticking stuff on your skin or chewing that awful stuff?

 

[DC2]

Here is a poll that might interest you...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/polls/77576-do-you-plan-quit-vaping.html

 

[CartHeadMod]

obviously it is quitting cigarettes, quitting smoke, quitting tar, quitting carcinogens....it's quitting cigarette taxes, smoking bans, my wife's displeasure, second hand smoke.....maybe I still use nicotine, but I have quit a lot of things since I started vaping.....