Is That Right? E-cigarettes are "the healthier alternative to smoking"?
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Hope I am not hitting a sensitive spot.. But this just goes to show you that these people writing this blog do not have the first clue about what the e-cig means to those of us that have tried for years using every method on the market(zyban,chantix,patch,gum,hypnosis,etc.) to no avail. These people probably do not smoke or, if they do, they are not at a point in their life where they desire to quit for the sake of their health.
They also cited the same point that the FDA has been fighting to support... " It is safer, at this time, to continue smoking traditonal cigarettes than to start using the e-cigarette!" I am seriously tired of these tree-huggers thinking that they are not only entitled to their opinions but operatively regurge in all instances one side of an issue without respectfully minding what is at stake for those that have come so far in such a short time.
I am certainly not saying that advances in research on the products that we use ... the e-cigarette ... , maybe even a regulated name change for the product since children have to be included in the picture ( again, cigarette being in the name sounds so inticing and may lead children to smoking real cigarettes.... These people mst of just been born yesterday because there are children by the thousands being introduced to smoking daily. And Lord forbid, all the restrictions in place by the FDA and Federal law agencies, kids are still purchasing cigarettes for themselves to this day, Go figure.) I can pay attention to both sides of the equation and hey, there are valuable points on both sides. Don't take anything for granted but I ask you, if this product has such a response from all walks of life to benefit the cessation of smoking analogs... The appreciable affect of riding the public of the putrid smell of traditional tobacco combustion and the side effects of second-hand smoke, cancer, cigarette breath, saturated stench in the clothing of a smoker, financial hardship in order to support the smokers habit, .... Reduction of environmental influence of adolescence and teens exposed to this habitual addiction, Etc.
Yet, the FDA , Big tobacco, Big pharma, and the U.S. government stand to lose hefty revenue from the taxation and regulation of traditonal tobacco products. They cannot make the money they need to make off of e-cigarettes to reprieve their annual earnings unless they take total control of the market on this product. They also smell the cheese coming their way from international trade and tarriff bribes for all those foreign merchants trying to rangle business in the U.S. Tobacco is big business and the government doesn't give a s^#t about you.. It's the almighty dollar that they want. They have cornered the market and have a strangle hold on the perpetual money machine. I do understand that there are unknowns involved with the chemistry of vaping( not proven)... the e-juice and what transpires as a direct result of inhalation of this product, not to mention the byproducts or potential release of undesirable elements into the surrounding environment that may affect bystanders (not proven).
I simply feel that we should have a right of choice and no matter what the potential is for harm to our bodies, we should be able to exersize that right without provocation or penalisation. I feel that the FDA has overstepped their bounds.. I do believe that testing is called for but absolutely, do not think that conclusive, meaningful results can be asured from the laboratories of the FDA. I can only ascertain that an organization, such as the FDA, staking claims that a product that is known to contain 0ver 4000+ toxic chemicals that are bad for humans and over forty of them are known carcenogens is far healthier to continue using rather than a product that only contains a fraction of 1% of a few products .... various products of which are also known to be in FDA approved products already on the market for use, today. Also, according to Press release, the FDA study was flawed anyway because the standards of scientific analysis and procedural requirements for such a study were grossly mis-conducted, which reflects my concern for the intentions of the FDA in this instance.
Sorry for being so long and wordy... but I am seriously upset with this controversial injustice and outright flabber-gasted!!!
Tom
The beginning of the 3rd paragraph, quoted as follows:
I've read these sentences so many times in a lot of mainstream media articles. I think it's boilerplate language that's passed around to the media by Banzhaf and his cronies at the ASH. It just shows up everywhere.
It's actually cleverly-crafted language that is constructed to sound persuasive to the average uninformed American ear, and successfully mimics the 'friendly local television anchor' image that gets uninformed people to believe it. "It must be true, my local anchorman said so."
I've read these sentences so many times in a lot of mainstream media articles. I think it's boilerplate language that's passed around to the media by Banzhaf and his cronies at the ASH. It just shows up everywhere.
It's actually cleverly-crafted language that is constructed to sound persuasive to the average uninformed American ear, and successfully mimics the 'friendly local television anchor' image that gets uninformed people to believe it. "It must be true, my local anchorman said so."
Place your blame where it deserves to be directed...Big Tobacco. Who do you think is directing this and paying journalists to print these articles?
Also, at least the author left it open to discussion:
"What's your opinion of e-cigarettes? Have you tried them? Do they seem safe to you?"
When you mistyped "regurge," I think you meant regurgitate. I'm glad we have dictionaries in "tree-hugger" land.
To me, yes they are safer. After 6 months of vaping, I've got my sense of smell and taste back. My lungs don't feel like a couple of paper bags and I don't wheeze anymore a night when I go to sleep. My health has improved. My body and my clothes don't smell like smoke. My wife is happy that I don't smoke cigarettes anymore. I started riding my bicycle this summer for the first time in 13 years, and I rode it further each day. My bank accounts happy and safer from smoking, it used to cost me $91 a week to smoke, vaping only costs me 8.50 a week. I don't worry anymore about burning the house down with a lit cigarette, my PV has a on/off master switch. Oh, and I don't hack and cough anymore from smoking. I don't have to worry about psychotic episodes, murder or my own death from smoking cessation drugs either. I also don't have a conniption at the store because all they sell are fsc's now either. So to me, yes, they are as the FDA put it, "1400 times safer than a regular cigarette".
There were some very valid points made, I have said the same thing myself a few times. It's about the money, it's not about the health of the citizen's, or the children. Whenever I hear the rally "Save the children" I automatically get suspicious because that is the first ploy or misdirection that EVERY ANTI ANYTHING employs first. Spread the fear that this new thing will ruin your precious babies, which this overpopulated planet could use a few less of anyway.
Looking at the various polls and talking with 100's of different members at various forums the success rate with E-cigs is around 80-85% compared to under 10% with ANY other smoking cessation device on the market that is approved and regulated. This tells me exactly where the bulk of the money is coming from to support the banning of E-Cigs and the campaign to smear them. The money flowing to tobacco companies and the politicians in their pockets will dry up and their is NO WAY IN HELL they will let that happen without a fight. Imagine if 80% of the smokers in this country were able to quit, what that would do to big tobacco, their profits, and power in the political system! It would wipe it out and bankrupt them.
These are simple time proven methods used by governments to spread lies and disinformation throughout all of human civilization, mock those in the minority and call them nuts, or conspiracy theorist, whatever you can to discredit them since you are the government the people will tend to follow along like sheep. Nothing new here at work at all. Anyone who has even a basic understanding of human nature can grasp this concept.
Big tobacco sadly enough is not the only player in this game with the pharmaceutical companies that make these inferior smoking cessation devices stand to lose a tremendous amount of money as well. They have gone through all the FDA hoops to get their product approved at great expense and are loathe to see a more effective non regulated product on the market. This also effects the pockets of the senators and congressmen who take the money from their lobbyist, it's a circle of cash really, you just have to follow the money and the players all eventually come out.
Looking at the various polls and talking with 100's of different members at various forums the success rate with E-cigs is around 80-85% compared to under 10% with ANY other smoking cessation device on the market that is approved and regulated. This tells me exactly where the bulk of the money is coming from to support the banning of E-Cigs and the campaign to smear them. The money flowing to tobacco companies and the politicians in their pockets will dry up and their is NO WAY IN HELL they will let that happen without a fight. Imagine if 80% of the smokers in this country were able to quit, what that would do to big tobacco, their profits, and power in the political system! It would wipe it out and bankrupt them.
These are simple time proven methods used by governments to spread lies and disinformation throughout all of human civilization, mock those in the minority and call them nuts, or conspiracy theorist, whatever you can to discredit them since you are the government the people will tend to follow along like sheep. Nothing new here at work at all. Anyone who has even a basic understanding of human nature can grasp this concept.
Big tobacco sadly enough is not the only player in this game with the pharmaceutical companies that make these inferior smoking cessation devices stand to lose a tremendous amount of money as well. They have gone through all the FDA hoops to get their product approved at great expense and are loathe to see a more effective non regulated product on the market. This also effects the pockets of the senators and congressmen who take the money from their lobbyist, it's a circle of cash really, you just have to follow the money and the players all eventually come out.
I thought it was less biased than previous posts I have read. Perhaps the anti's are softening their opposition a bit? Of course, they had to mention the "children", but they didn't mention the "antifreeze"!
As far as being safe, we all know that it is a lot safer than analogs. That's safe enough for me.
As far as being safe, we all know that it is a lot safer than analogs. That's safe enough for me.
I do like they gave some space for readers to respond and give their opinion ... overwhelming positive responses.
Actually, it's most likely Big Pharma who is behind the negative publicity. Most of the anti-smoking groups making press releases against e-cigs are funded by companies like Pfizer, who makes NRTs like nicotine gums, patches and Chantix.Place your blame where it deserves to be directed...Big Tobacco. Who do you think is directing this and paying journalists to print these articles?
touche'.
It seems that Politicians are also on the take...just google Senator Lautenberg of NJ and you can make the connection between big Pharma and his expressed opinions about E-cigs.
Conspiracy?
touche'.
It seems that Politicians are also on the take...just google Senator Lautenberg of NJ and you can make the connection between big Pharma and his expressed opinions about E-cigs.
Conspiracy?
Sometimes conspiracies are true.
The Flemington/Somerville Route 202 corridor, about a 10-mile stretch of practically nothing but huge pharmaceutical companies -- huge glass & concrete monoliths that line the highway -- it is clear that Lautenburg is being assigned to protect them.
You can draw a direct comparison to Sen. Lieberman/CT and his protection of Route 91 corridor Insurance Companies in Hartford.
I vote for "All of the above"
Most people in positions of authority are not fueled entirely by greed (but it's foolish to think it doesn't pla y a role in decisionmaking), but will attempt to rationalize their decisions and feel like they are doing "the right thing". The pressure from BP is the knowledge that pharmaceutical companies produce products that extend life, a given politician might consider siding with BP on an issue knowing that promoting that pharmaceutical helps keep medicine available and R&D efforts are steps towards finding a "miracle". That actually dovetails with the pressure from BT: A money factory for the government through taxes and tariffs, even if there weren't a single lobbyist from BT in the entire District of Columbia, the industry would still maintain a powerful influence over lawmakers simply based on the fact that tobacco taxes are most likely funding their favorite humanitarian project. The "quit or die" mentality is a money-maker either way: Quitters give money to the pharmaceutical companies who sponsor the FDA, Diers give money more directly to the government through the taxes they pay on tobacco products. Either way, "The Man" is further motivated to keep the "little guy" down.
In all likelihood, in order to keep vaping, it seems like Judge Leon is going to tell us who's side we need to stand on. If he rules with SE/Njoy, then we need to buddy up with BT and prepare to take it up the Tax. If he rules with the FDA, we'll need to operate like a pharma company. I'd rather not have the e-cig industry become "Little Tobacco" or "Little Pharma", but it seems like that is what we're gonna get if we can't change some paradigms.
Your whole post sounds like a bullseye at a hundred yards, Thulium. That was depressingly well summarized.
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