Is the FDA going to ban the use of e-cigs and liquid-if we already have them?
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Yes u can get it all underground which worries me from guns to coke to ..... They only stop a small amount,if it goes underground i might have to stop vapin.Homebrew "i don't have enough pg/vg so I'll use this draino and mouthwash to cut it''
Yes, you have my curiosity. What is the deal about the soap?
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Nevermind, I wrote this when I was reading about people having to go across a state line to buy a type of good soap because it was banned in the neighboring state?? Anyway, it was somewere else apparently. I will check the beginning of this thread. Weird
Sorry.
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Nevermind, I wrote this when I was reading about people having to go across a state line to buy a type of good soap because it was banned in the neighboring state?? Anyway, it was somewere else apparently. I will check the beginning of this thread. Weird
Sorry.
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Gofo2 this prior post was that of a moderator.
What Mrwade01 and I are saying is that the owner of the forum, SmokingJoe's advisment needs to be respected and enforced and that many of us are now watching the posts to assist the moderators in identifying problem posts.
We, that support the administrations stance, will not be intimidated and bullied. We will stand together because we want this forum to be the best, the most welcoming and the most positive forum for e-cigarette users. No one should be afraid to voice an opinion in fear of being bashed.
Note: I was posting while GoFo2 was editing.
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can somebody pleeeeeeeeease explain to me why they want to ban it?????????????????????
In simple language: The nicotine we get while e-smoking is mixed with other chemicals to create e-liquid. The e-liquid, according to the FDA, treats a medical condition known as nicotine addiction. It is thus a drug. The e-liquid has never received FDA approval and is thus a "new drug." To market a new drug in America, you need FDA approval.
The electronic cigarettes, cigars and pipes have an essential purpose: Vaporize and deliver the drug to an addict. Whatever else you do with an e-cig is not of concern to the FDA. The purpose of every e-device is to deliver nicotine. That makes these "drug-delivery" devices. As such, they must be approved because they are "medical devices" to treat nicotine addiction by inhaling a drug.
This was known looooooong ago. It's not new law. It's regulations that all Big Pharma drugs must meet. It was ignored by those who sold us e-cigs and e-liquid.
Now is a time of judgment.
Do not follow false arguments aplenty on this forum that it's either e-cigs for real cigs. The FDA isn't judging real cigs. Only e-cigs. Without scientific proof of safety and efficacy, they likely will be banned. It's happening all around the world. No country that has considered e-smoking has approved it.
The electronic cigarettes, cigars and pipes have an essential purpose: Vaporize and deliver the drug to an addict. Whatever else you do with an e-cig is not of concern to the FDA. The purpose of every e-device is to deliver nicotine. That makes these "drug-delivery" devices. As such, they must be approved because they are "medical devices" to treat nicotine addiction by inhaling a drug.
This was known looooooong ago. It's not new law. It's regulations that all Big Pharma drugs must meet. It was ignored by those who sold us e-cigs and e-liquid.
Now is a time of judgment.
Do not follow false arguments aplenty on this forum that it's either e-cigs for real cigs. The FDA isn't judging real cigs. Only e-cigs. Without scientific proof of safety and efficacy, they likely will be banned. It's happening all around the world. No country that has considered e-smoking has approved it.
Lucky, I hate to tell you but you are a ...... Weed has not always been illegal. When I first moved to Alaska in '86 you were allowed to have 6 plant and up to an ounce dried for personal use. You should have seen some of the gorgious plant on people's front porches. The only reason it was banned up there is the federal government was withholding federal highway funds and this is back when the Alaskan Highway was a gravel road. Lost ten headlights driving to Anchorage. I have been smoking weed, cigarettes and paying taxes all about the same amount of time. No harm foul in my book. My house my rules.
Those arguments are not false, they are the reality. One interpretation of the rules may allow you to ignore that reality, but it doesn't change it. In addition, the FDA does have a certain amount of discretion in how they apply the rules and may, for example, decide that e-cigs are a variation on existing nicotine inhalers and thus perfectly ok to market and sell because testing relevant to them has already been done.
Geez, let's wait and see. I'm weary of he-said, he-countered. Done with this thread. Let's wait and see. I hope you're right; reason tells me I'm right.
Fair enough. It's all down to which way the FDA jumps and that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with reason and logic, especially for such a polarising and emotive issue as nicotine.
Here, let's split a bottle of lemonade to seal the deal - I'll have the half-full glass.
Sorry, I'm hoarding that. Hey, my glass might be half-empty after all!
How many of you think that e-cigs will eventually get FDA approval? As far as we know, we have no idea if these things are safe. I'm concerned if we will ever be able to vape again. As far as the ingrediants go, they all seem to be safe, but the way we vaporize them and what that does to our body, it may be a different story. Lets hope not.
Just gotta cross my fingers on this one..... any thoughts?
Just gotta cross my fingers on this one..... any thoughts?
Absolutely, as long as its found (through testing) that it doesnt make your penis fall off (or something worse)
How long it takes though, and under what guidelines and regulations is another story.
One way or another they'll continue to be available, as will the liquid. The name may change, there will probably be some sort of tax, we might have to buy them in separate pieces, but these devices aren't going away.
Absolutely, as long as its found (through testing) that it doesnt make your penis fall off (or something worse)
There's something worse !!!!!
Absolutely, as long as its found (through testing) that it doesnt make your penis fall off (or something worse)
How long it takes though, and under what guidelines and regulations is another story.
I can't think in anything worse than that
Well keep an eye on NJOY, IMO right now they are the most solid "supplier" in the USA.
I wouldn't surprised if the importing of e-liquid is banned due to questionable manufacturing (China) AND current USA companies that already manufacture nicotine delivery type products (Patches, gum etc) rush to take advantage of the HUGE money making opportunity the e-cig market has.
I don't know but this may be a blessing in disguise. If all imports are banned because they are not FDA Approved, but yet an American company takes the e-liquid concept and gets it approved, we just may be able to pick e-juices at our local pharmarcy store the same way we pick up nicotine gum, patches and other items.
I don't know but this may be a blessing in disguise. If all imports are banned because they are not FDA Approved, but yet an American company takes the e-liquid concept and gets it approved, we just may be able to pick e-juices at our local pharmarcy store the same way we pick up nicotine gum, patches and other items.
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