What its going to be illegal? I feel so naughty right now smoking this ecig.. Am I going to get caught? lol...
Is the FDA going to ban the use of e-cigs and liquid-if we already have them?
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Who the hell are you to call me "malicious".........i'm not breaking the "law". It's illegal for people to "sell" it here, not "use" it. Yes, it makes that "much" of a difference that I drive an extra 20 miles to buy my detergent. Oh, and OMG.......i'm a terrible shameful person for driving an extra 40 miles or so save over $40 per carton of cigarettes when I was smoking analogs too..........god forbid I support our local indian tribes instead of our greedy government........
Not once, in any FDA quote to date, has "use" or "possession" been mentioned. Not once. It is the selling and importing that is being questioned for unapproved devices and liquids containing nicotine. No one has proposed making e-smoking illegal. If anyone sees an actual FDA quote that proposes a ban on use or possession, as is the case with illegal drugs, post it so everyone can read it.
TB if the FDA made possession illegal......I guess I would be considered a "new age" Outlaw!...Just can't see them breaking into my house and confiscating my remaining juice supply and 901
The Wiz!
If Johnson Creek is already FDA registered, then that means they are in the process of getting FDA approval, right? Also, Ruyan has already conducted extensive testing of their devices (I assume to get FDA approval), right? My hope is that, at the very least, that JC & Ruyan are already on there way to legitamacy in the USA. We may not have as much of a choice on gear and liquid at first when the ban comes down, but I feel that any gap of availability will be a short one. We just need the rest of the manufacturers to follow Ruyan's and JC's lead now!
The internet. God bless it, you can circumvent any ......ed law you want, like banning e-cigs. Order online from China, Communists don't give a crap about our laws, and customs isn't looking for e-cigs, thats the lowest priority on a long list of priorities they got I'm not scared, even after a "ban" I'll still be able to order parts and juice from overseas and have it shipped to my door.
I'm not scared, even after a "ban" I'll still be able to order parts and juice from overseas and have it shipped to my door.He's talking about you knowingly dumping phosphates into the water supply thus damaging the environment.... it could be seen as malicious. Not breaking the law doesn't mean you're doing the right thing.
The registration does not initiate approval. It's a separate, required action that at least JC complied with.
Boo, you have a pipe dream going. Keep it up and you'll smile a lot. Face reality and you'll have two eyes bulging. If the FDA wants e-cigs shut out of this country, they will be shut out. They are already beginning to work with Customs to choke off supplies. If they signal stepped-up enforcement, you'll see supplies shrink and prices soar.
Don't dream. Act in any way you can to help keep the ban at bay. Rants and false assurances are no help at all.
Bob is right. Customs is already making importing e cigs and liquid more difficult. I had to wait - thankfully not too long - to get my first 901 recently because suppliers' shipments are being held for inspection. It's the beginning stage: Legal harassment and red tape specifically targeted at a product that is under scrutiny.
And anyone who thinks they can just start ordering direct from China if a ban is put in place is delusional. Recent toy and food scandals resulting from Chinese imports are the very reason you can expect MORE - hardly less - suspicion on a package from China. And now it would have your name as the destination for a banned product. Good one.
Long story short: If you are worried, forget about dreaming up ways to circumvent a ban and help stop it.
And anyone who thinks they can just start ordering direct from China if a ban is put in place is delusional. Recent toy and food scandals resulting from Chinese imports are the very reason you can expect MORE - hardly less - suspicion on a package from China. And now it would have your name as the destination for a banned product. Good one.
Long story short: If you are worried, forget about dreaming up ways to circumvent a ban and help stop it.
I'm seeing a video like that guy made on you tube for brittney "Leave Brittney alone"
only this time it will be "Leave e-cigarettes alone"
only this time it will be "Leave e-cigarettes alone"
I see what your saying Bob, sometimes I let off a little steam, apologies. its just, it seems like you can get anything in, legal or not. Cannabis seeds, bongs (or "water pipes" lol) pirated sunglasses, dvds, cds, etc. How have they gone about it for all these years?
I'm traveling to New Zealand next week. Can anyone tell me if they have had problems with airport security?
Not to mention the 1-4 gallons of gas burned to get said phosphates...
Or the economics behind gas cost + risk cost of driving + time cost of 1-2 hours for dishwasher soap vs. 10 minutes standing at the sink washing the dishes by hand. Ah, the price of convenience.
Not to mention the many gallons of gas used to grow the tobacco.
Or the economics behind gas cost + risk of driving to store to purchase cigarettes + time cost of on the job smoke breaks vs staying on the job and increasing productivity. Ah the price of a filthy habit.
All anti-rhetoric sounds the same.
What was written in the sand?
Can each of you stand completely clean of wasting anything? or circumventing anything? I think not!
Give it a break...
Do what you can do and be responsible for your own actions.
Only attempt to use the sword of justice if you use it on yourself first!
Can each of you stand completely clean of wasting anything? or circumventing anything? I think not!
Give it a break...
Do what you can do and be responsible for your own actions.
Only attempt to use the sword of justice if you use it on yourself first!
Yes, rhetoric of any kind is without real substance. You still missed the point.
I have no idea what this means but I am getting it printed on a photo of waves crashing on a kitten at sunset and shopping it around to dentist offices in a nice frame.
Hey don't eat the pistachios either heard they have salmonella now!!! I guess they have been to busy threatening bans on ecigs to check on the food supply!
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strell , it means a lot of us are tired of the almost bashing of anyone with an opinion contrary to that of the bully. In this particular case people are judging other people about phosphate soap in such a manner as to almost bash the other poster. This type of posting is disrespectful and demeaning of other forum members.
It means that if you truly want to change a persons opinion, and not just try to make them look bad, that you would do a little work and present a logical stance with links and documentation. In this case, the links and documentation would be relative to: how damaging phosphates in detergents are to the environment.
Further, it means that each and every person on this earth polutes and I find it difficult to believe that those people who are almost bashing the other people are completely and totally protecting the environment in all possible ways... after all, everyone smoked analogs and we know the butts do not biodegrade.
(clarification: Formal you is used in this post)
It means that if you truly want to change a persons opinion, and not just try to make them look bad, that you would do a little work and present a logical stance with links and documentation. In this case, the links and documentation would be relative to: how damaging phosphates in detergents are to the environment.
Further, it means that each and every person on this earth polutes and I find it difficult to believe that those people who are almost bashing the other people are completely and totally protecting the environment in all possible ways... after all, everyone smoked analogs and we know the butts do not biodegrade.
(clarification: Formal you is used in this post)
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OK, this started out as a great thread about e-cigs, so let's keep it that way. Want to talk about "being green", start a new thread in the general discussion forum.
This is just how off topic arguments start. Let's keep it on track please.
Lu
This is just how off topic arguments start. Let's keep it on track please.
Lu
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