Is there any reason for a vendor to charge more than $ .50-.60 per ml?

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I just don't think it's fair when they charge very high prices for juice, unless it's due to low volume or expensive ingredients. But I doubt that any ingredients are expensive enough to justify for some of these vendors prices.

Well, it's not supposed to be fair. It's a free market and any vendor can charge what they want. It's up to you whether you think the price is worth it or not.

Besides, it's not just ingredients, shipping, and packaging. Some vendors buy flavors wholesale. Some create their own. Part of the cost goes to recouping the time and ingredients used to come up with unique blends.
 

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I have been noticing that a whole lot of business people are on the flakey side. As a consumer I feel I need to be my own advocate, educate myself and not hold the hand of some stranger and expect him to lead me where I want to go. It's bad enough that I hold a similar, not same, position with my Dr. Even. It's a new thing still and many are feeling their way. I was told the mark up is about 60%
All things considered during that conversation it's no doubt higher. But to do the math, say they charge $10 a bottle, make no less than $1.00 on shipping ( depending on what they charge, how many bottles so on and some would be making no less than quadruple that.) they need to sell 10 bottles to make $70 Now I could not support myself on $70 a day these days but IF it takes an hour to make 5 bottles that's still $35 hr. I'm using figures that are conservative and not talking about variables like business good then business bad then need to hire help. If they paid one person a nice $10 an hour to follow a recipe because the business was brisk enough but still worked side by side that figure would go down to $30hr. If I were young and had a talent to make juice I'd be in on it....of course due to start up costs etc they say a business wouldn't break even until after a year generally speaking. So on and so forth. There is a pretty decent income to be had and might not even be too boring the 1st year or so.

Yet some stay open only a few hours a day, if they open at all. Wish I had those bills.

I'm just starting to notice ejuice/ecig people are just a lil on the flacky side.
 
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We all perceive what has value Oh u. You found value in Provari. It is what could regarded as an overpriced device, beautiful but high priced. There are many devices that will deliver 4.7v on a consistant basis at close to half the cost.

Is the Provari charging too much?? Obviously many feel the same as you and find value in it. Could they sell it for less and save you money ??? Sure they could. But they found a price point that works for them.

In the end vaping boils down to what we taste and I think most of us have had juices that have tasted terrible. I would rather pay more for something that tasted better to me. Now if I can find the same taste at a better price, all the better.

I have never tried Mrs T's juices but I know many who love her juice. And they find value in her juice.
 
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Not sure why some charge more then others... other then they can And still sell juice? Juice vapors is another vender that is on the higher side. And they are huge (as far as juice companies go). They have a couple of employees to pay I am sure. And I am sure as biz goes, the owner wants a good profit. Otherwise why won a biz right? I come from another school of thought myself. If I had a juice company (I just might someday) I would pay myself the same as the employees leaving company growth money of course, but I would like to price the juice as low as I could while still giving everyone a really quality product. The answer is probably as simple as the owner wants more of a profit or the company has more bills/ employees to pay. Other then that no... there is no real reason for charging more.
 

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I pay vendor prices for equal parts convenience and support of our economy here in Michigan. I love to tinker and all that jazz, but with 2 little ones at home, my time is already limited enough without having to "glove up" and head to a clean room to mix a fresh batch. I would much rather play a few games of Halo with my son. I pay $15.00 for 36ml of what I consider to be excellent quality product, and all I have to do is unscrew the cap, fill my carto and enjoy. I don't feel as if I am being taken to the cleaners when I place my order, since my average order for 2 weeks of use is still less than a carton of cigs that would only last me a week. I suppose in my case, the relationship I have with my vendor is that of the "back scratching" type.... (You scratch mine, etc.)
 

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I pay vendor prices for equal parts convenience and support of our economy here in Michigan. I love to tinker and all that jazz, but with 2 little ones at home, my time is already limited enough without having to "glove up" and head to a clean room to mix a fresh batch. I would much rather play a few games of Halo with my son. I pay $15.00 for 36ml of what I consider to be excellent quality product, and all I have to do is unscrew the cap, fill my carto and enjoy. I don't feel as if I am being taken to the cleaners when I place my order, since my average order for 2 weeks of use is still less than a carton of cigs that would only last me a week. I suppose in my case, the relationship I have with my vendor is that of the "back scratching" type.... (You scratch mine, etc.)

My thoughts too!
 

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I have been noticing that a whole lot of business people are on the flakey side. As a consumer I feel I need to be my own advocate, educate myself and not hold the hand of some stranger and expect him to lead me where I want to go. It's bad enough that I hold a similar, not same, position with my Dr. Even. It's a new thing still and many are feeling their way. I was told the mark up is about 60%
All things considered during that conversation it's no doubt higher. But to do the math, say they charge $10 a bottle, make no less than $1.00 on shipping ( depending on what they charge, how many bottles so on and some would be making no less than quadruple that.) they need to sell 10 bottles to make $70 Now I could not support myself on $70 a day these days but IF it takes an hour to make 5 bottles that's still $35 hr. I'm using figures that are conservative and not talking about variables like business good then business bad then need to hire help. If they paid one person a nice $10 an hour to follow a recipe because the business was brisk enough but still worked side by side that figure would go down to $30hr. If I were young and had a talent to make juice I'd be in on it....of course due to start up costs etc they say a business wouldn't break even until after a year generally speaking. So on and so forth. There is a pretty decent income to be had and might not even be too boring the 1st year or so.

I'm kind of in a similar business of a juice vendor, some very big differences, but I run the production in our family business. We sell basically one product, about a dozen different types but all of our expenses turn into one single stream of revenue. We go from raw material to a finished product, and at times I have had customers with a similar attitude you put forward here.

Let me just say no business is as simple as you have just made it out to be. Their labor isn't just in mixing your liquid and shipping it off. You are paying for the time they have spent learning to blend their liquid, coming up with the blends they sell, building their website, promoting their product, ordering their supplies, possibly paying employees or hiring people to help them. In my case it is the labor that is basically impossible to explain to someone outside the business. There are times where I am literally working on things like planning or scheduling every waking hour seven days a week.

I know you are not alone at thinking these people are possibly making a fortune in this growing industry. There's a good chance some of the juice vendors in business today may build an incredibly lucrative business. There's also much more of a chance that many of the juice vendors out there will give up on it and move on to something else. I can say there is definitely an art to making this stuff, and I'm sure many of these guys are very passionate about what they do. I'd be more than willing to bet when their hobby they loved so much became a job. And running a small business, no matter what type it is, is difficult to say the least.

We all perceive what has value Oh u. You found value in Provari. It is what could regarded as an overpriced device, beautiful but high priced. There are many devices that will deliver 4.7v on a consistant basis at close to half the cost.

Is the Provari charging too much?? Obviously many feel the same as you and find value in it. Could they sell it for less and save you money ??? Sure they could. But they found a price point that works for them.

In the end vaping boils down to what we taste and I think most of us have had juices that have tasted terrible. I would rather pay more for something that tasted better to me. Now if I can find the same taste at a better price, all the better.

I have never tried Mrs T's juices but I know many who love her juice. And they find value in her juice.

I recently say Zen interviewed, I'm sure if some people walked into his production facility and saw a robot cutting out the parts for his mod they'd say "This guy sits on his ... while these parts get popped out of a machine and we pay him $250 a piece for these things!"

But realize he's probably invested over a half million dollars in his machinery alone. I wouldn't even begin to estimate the labor he's put into development or his other costs associated with his business.
 

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Hardware is very competitive for the most part. You can buy 5 boxes of Boge carto's for $8 or go to Sure Vapes and pay under $5.
So many companies sell identical products so juice is their profit center. And it's not just mixing a bottle and that's it. You have bills to pay, payroll the biggest. Insurance, etc.
But, if I go to a small vendor with good juice and pay $15 and I know BIG vendors charging $10 more, to me, that's a ripoff. Mostly I DIY but I do buy some juices.
What gets me is buying 18 ml of juice and they charge $6.95 for shipping and handling. That's when I clear my cart and go somewhere else.
 

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If someone wants to charge $100/ml of e-liquid, I'm OK with that. Is it worth that much? Sure, if people are willing to pay for it. And if they aren't prices will go down or that vendor will disappear. That's how supply and demand work.

Nobody's twisting anyone's arm and forcing him to buy the expensive stuff. There are options. Personally, I'm willing to pay more for something I really like, or to a vendor I want to support. The trick is finding the point where prices and demand for the product meet and make the most money; it's really got very little to do with how much the ingredients cost. Obviously, you need to charge more than it costs you to make, and you'll lose customers if you charge too much, but anything in between is fair game, as far as I'm concerned.

It's not a vendor's job to give us cheap supplies (unless, of course, they decide that's their job. Being "the cheap one" is a valid niche to shoot for). Their job is to make as much money as possible with their product. If that means they make a good juice and charge quite a bit more than it cost them to make -- well, good. They're doing it right.
 
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Compared to other things out there putting together good marketable ejuice isn't going to take a lot of training. Just good record keeping, boldness, a lot of icky mistakes and also a lot of happy mistakes. Just keep records and be consistent with measuring devices and testing and where you get your supplies from. Some sites have less than 20 flavors. And introduce new every now and then. Not going to get rich that way but a easy supplemental income, can be work for physically challenged people too.
Good thing for DIYers who have learned this self taught. An example of how a lot of people can figure it out for themselves. THAT will keep prices reasonable.
 
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