is there any truth to what this guy is saying?
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Nichrome's melting point is 1350 - 1400C (around 2500F) -- PVs aren't running at anywhere close to those temps, so I'm curious as to where the fumes are supposed to come from.
Posted the question in atty modders forum if anyone interested.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ngers-nickel-gasses-exposure.html#post2729600
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ngers-nickel-gasses-exposure.html#post2729600
Thanks for that markfm.....I didn't want to make the assumption that it was nichrome being used, but that is what I had thought I had read somewhere here before. Now, are all atties using nichrome mesh?
Hence don't store your liquids in metal tanks, oxidation takes place in these (AVS &AFS) reason I sold mine, it was tasted easily after a while. Wished someone would come out with a seriously strong glass tank, I think that would be awesome, Scottbee where is my glass tank, I know your making one, keep me in mind please, hahhahah
I have been seriously thinking of going Lab Grade bottles for storage. They cost more, but I would think they are a little more stable (considering I remember some of the nasty stuff contained in them from my chem classes)
Oh please people, this is just another very obvious marketing pitch. They bought some generic ecig from China and are trying to sell it for too high a price. They have to have an excuse for that. Yes, of course they did a lot of research. No they didn't, and if there was any research it was done in China. Nothing to do with those Greenie guys. This video made me laugh so hard that I've lost a significant body part and look kind of flat now.
That's what we have Wikipedia for.
For heating, resistance wire must be stable in air when hot. Nichrome wire forms a protective layer of chromium oxide.
We have the chromium oxide to protect us from the nickel gasses. Is that good?
The German modders use a non nickel resistance wire.
Kanthal FeCrAl alloy forms a protective layer of aluminum oxide.
Now we can start chasing/quoting/discussing the effects of chromium and aluminum oxides.
These 'safety' discussions can go on forever, just as the whole concept of using 'food safe' materials can. Did their initial qualifying tests include heated eliquid?
Either way it is important to show some restraint with vaping as the FDA does in fact a point. Vaping every waking hour, chasing higher volts/watts/ heat. No one can predict what the long term effects will be. History has shown that many assumed benign substances came back to haunt us with a vengeance years or decades later.
Yup, willyb, that is why I want to see more studies done. That TW guy is loaded, he should do it!
no seriously though, as corrupt as bt, fda, govt are - they do indeed have a point - these things need testing before they are put out enmasse (thoigh they are available en masse already.)
When I use mine exclusively I do feel healthier, but that isn't to say there isn't some silent danger (symptomless, like chalmydia for example) lurking and I for one would feel a lot better buying from people who had tested their products and could at least let me know of any risks I was taking.
I still have no idea why i can smoke a pack a day and not get the following symptom but even 1ml a day of vaping at 18mg gives me a really weird pounding sensation in my ears that i have never experienced in my life and which my doctor has tested for bacterial infection etc and say i donnot have one and that if it is bought on by vaping, it is clearly that which is causing it, but he says he can't tell me WHY vaping gives me that symptom. Obviously common sense has dictated I try lowering my nic mg and that has helped, but still.
no seriously though, as corrupt as bt, fda, govt are - they do indeed have a point - these things need testing before they are put out enmasse (thoigh they are available en masse already.)
When I use mine exclusively I do feel healthier, but that isn't to say there isn't some silent danger (symptomless, like chalmydia for example) lurking and I for one would feel a lot better buying from people who had tested their products and could at least let me know of any risks I was taking.
I still have no idea why i can smoke a pack a day and not get the following symptom but even 1ml a day of vaping at 18mg gives me a really weird pounding sensation in my ears that i have never experienced in my life and which my doctor has tested for bacterial infection etc and say i donnot have one and that if it is bought on by vaping, it is clearly that which is causing it, but he says he can't tell me WHY vaping gives me that symptom. Obviously common sense has dictated I try lowering my nic mg and that has helped, but still.
What kind of atomizer is that, that he shows when he shows the competitor's atomizer?
The days of any fair studies in the USA are long gone. On anything, I'm afraid.
It certainly is tempting to see things that way. Was recently watching the bbc panorama seroxat docu and it is shameful the way big pharma companies bury information that could challenge the eventual clearance and release of their products etc. Nestle with their powdered milk in Etheopia etc and so many other tales of bottom line profit chasing at the cost of those in need of help.
So would you agree that essentially the e-cig industry just doesn't have enough political or financial clout to get their products tested and get the data from them a fair showing?
As nasty as they are, I'd actually welcome bt or bp getting their fingers in the e-cig pie and trying to get a share of the profits from them as at least they do have the clout to get testing done and data published.
Of course then you have to think - what would THEY do in order to make their products more addictive in order to corner the market share etc...? although one of the main selling points of e-cigs to those wanting to quit smoking is that it is a healthier alternative, so they would have to - one would hope - prove that that was actually the case to a significant extent.
I just want to see the ball get rolling and get short term at first and then longer term analysis from testing of these products so they can be improved and made as low risk as is possible. With the main issue being that we vapers actually get to know what we are doing rather than just hoping based on the fact our helath seems improved. All about information baby...
Sigh...we have studies. While I agree we need more...and that is being worked on, at least three in the works right this second.
Everyone acts like there are None and for the record TW has had two of them done on their eliquids.
Also why is NO ONE commenting or thumbing down that video?? It has a Whole 1 TD..I just put it there.
PLus it is Spam...on you tube you can flag spam.
WE(as in the general ecig community) needs to put forward a strong front against these kinds of BS companies.
Going to just leave things like this sit around with no comments for smokers to find? Any idea how many folks see stuff like this and drop the 120.00 it costs for their start kits, then go back to smoking.. thinking ecigs are nothing but a scam.
Stop being so passive.
Everyone acts like there are None and for the record TW has had two of them done on their eliquids.
Also why is NO ONE commenting or thumbing down that video?? It has a Whole 1 TD..I just put it there.
PLus it is Spam...on you tube you can flag spam.
WE(as in the general ecig community) needs to put forward a strong front against these kinds of BS companies.
Going to just leave things like this sit around with no comments for smokers to find? Any idea how many folks see stuff like this and drop the 120.00 it costs for their start kits, then go back to smoking.. thinking ecigs are nothing but a scam.
Stop being so passive.
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gave a TD and reported as spam....mass advertising now that i think of it, I should have marked it as fraud/?? don't remember what that choice was exactly.
EDIT: My comments:
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not be fooled by this gross misrepresentation of the "competitors"! Do your research, there are several GREAT forums where you will find a vast amount of information and very knowledgeable individuals that have been using these products for years. This is no more than a pathetic attempt to use scare tactics to sell their inferior over priced product! Unethical marketing tactics for sure!!!
Unfortunately I was logged in under my son's ID, but got the message out just the same!
EDIT: My comments:
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not be fooled by this gross misrepresentation of the "competitors"! Do your research, there are several GREAT forums where you will find a vast amount of information and very knowledgeable individuals that have been using these products for years. This is no more than a pathetic attempt to use scare tactics to sell their inferior over priced product! Unethical marketing tactics for sure!!!
Unfortunately I was logged in under my son's ID, but got the message out just the same!
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I didn't know that vid was out till I saw this post, either. Thumbs down and negative comment from here, too. Likely, the hucksters periodically wipe it anyway, but at least it's up there for now.
I have to admit, I never thought of "nickel poisoning" until it was brought up here, but since it doesn't look like it is raw nickel in those coils, I kinda suspect that it's really not a problem. Basic science tells us that the basic element's properties are not necessarily the same as the properties of that element when in a compound...for example, elemental sodium (very explosive) and elemental chlorine (deadly gas) vs sodium chloride (SALT, very necessary for existence).
That said, I would be interested in reading more about possible side effects of heated atomizer materials over time.
This whole ecig thing is so unprecedented in modern day. Who would have thought that in this day and age we could, as a group, have opportunity to take the initiative to learn about something so important to our health, and beat the Big organizations to it??
Regardless of what happens with BT and BP, the seeds of vaping have been sown, and they will ALWAYS exist now. I'll trumpet the benefits until I die.
I would have made a good hippie.
I have to admit, I never thought of "nickel poisoning" until it was brought up here, but since it doesn't look like it is raw nickel in those coils, I kinda suspect that it's really not a problem. Basic science tells us that the basic element's properties are not necessarily the same as the properties of that element when in a compound...for example, elemental sodium (very explosive) and elemental chlorine (deadly gas) vs sodium chloride (SALT, very necessary for existence).
That said, I would be interested in reading more about possible side effects of heated atomizer materials over time.
This whole ecig thing is so unprecedented in modern day. Who would have thought that in this day and age we could, as a group, have opportunity to take the initiative to learn about something so important to our health, and beat the Big organizations to it??
Regardless of what happens with BT and BP, the seeds of vaping have been sown, and they will ALWAYS exist now. I'll trumpet the benefits until I die.
I would have made a good hippie.
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I got hosed with the green nicotine scam. Cost me over $150 USD and all I got was one battery, and 2cartomizers that are not refillable.
Then I found this site and got an eGo.
I did take a gamble and ordered some cartomizers from v4l and they fit the green nicotine battery, so iwas pretty happy about that, now I have a back up and one to le people try.
No one touches my eGo but me.
Remit.
Then I found this site and got an eGo.
I did take a gamble and ordered some cartomizers from v4l and they fit the green nicotine battery, so iwas pretty happy about that, now I have a back up and one to le people try.
No one touches my eGo but me.
Remit.
Yeah...like I said, the poster had the option of wiping out the comments, and HE HAS. I went to renew my opinion and found that I AM BANNED from doing so.
So is he a "trusted seller" of ecigs? You be the judge. I wonder how many times he's had to clear the comments there. I'd love to see the collected efforts of ECF members give him a freakin' hard time.
EDIT: I can still DISLIKE it! Thumbs down...
So is he a "trusted seller" of ecigs? You be the judge. I wonder how many times he's had to clear the comments there. I'd love to see the collected efforts of ECF members give him a freakin' hard time.
EDIT: I can still DISLIKE it! Thumbs down...
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I got hosed with the green nicotine scam. Cost me over $150 USD and all I got was one battery, and 2cartomizers that are not refillable.
Then I found this site and got an eGo.
I did take a gamble and ordered some cartomizers from v4l and they fit the green nicotine battery, so iwas pretty happy about that, now I have a back up and one to le people try.
No one touches my eGo but me.
Remit.
Ick, you got a real lemon there at a ridiculous cost!
This is the way I see it: our community, for the most part, seems to be made of obsessive people (the very posts we go for make this obvious...) and hypochondria is the latest fashion also...heee! So, these two 'symptoms' alone make it easier for any company to come with any strategy like this...
Illustration:
POST 1:
Have you guys read this article about a doctor who claims that inhaling... Mere inhaling of any substance could cause cancer???
POST 2:
(expert) Yep, but his claims do not translate into anything serious for there's no evidence whatsoever to justify them...blah, blah, blah!
POST 3:
Yes, and it seems he is being paid by The 'No-mouth' Board,
here, look: Linko...
POST 4:
(Hotwire maybe...) Yes, but still, maybe this is possible, so dont you think it would be better to vape through our bottoms with a mod...
POST 5:
Truth is, anything MAY cause cancer....
(long one)
...It is our bodies which actually cause it; in the long run there will be evidence to link anything with cancer.
POST 6:
Yes, right: There are two types of things: The ones which have been proved to be related to cancer cells and the ones which still havent...
MANY POSTS ...as in MANY MANY MANY, and just a few days later:
Some of the gurus of the thread end up knowing as much about cancer as expert physicians if not more so...
Even newbies learn a thing or two correctly...
And this thread is buried into the fast...
Most of us get to learn enough but will never know for sure and panic will come back and we will wonder if it is safe to:
"Is it safe to hold Big Mods with your hands?"
I hear a member lost one finger due to the heavy mods...
Two days later theres a new Robot-mod by T-manufacturing which will hold your PV for you and we will just feel a bit ashamed to vape in public this way, still would do it discretely... And as we get to read and learn MORE and MORE about Robot-companion-mods and if they should get a free ticket at the movies and such, we will have grown so fond of them that we will see them in a new light and discover how beautiful they look....
Ahahahaahhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Bottom line being that our problem is to be so nuts! Heee
Illustration:
POST 1:
Have you guys read this article about a doctor who claims that inhaling... Mere inhaling of any substance could cause cancer???
POST 2:
(expert) Yep, but his claims do not translate into anything serious for there's no evidence whatsoever to justify them...blah, blah, blah!
POST 3:
Yes, and it seems he is being paid by The 'No-mouth' Board,
here, look: Linko...
POST 4:
(Hotwire maybe...) Yes, but still, maybe this is possible, so dont you think it would be better to vape through our bottoms with a mod...
POST 5:
Truth is, anything MAY cause cancer....
(long one)
...It is our bodies which actually cause it; in the long run there will be evidence to link anything with cancer.
POST 6:
Yes, right: There are two types of things: The ones which have been proved to be related to cancer cells and the ones which still havent...
MANY POSTS ...as in MANY MANY MANY, and just a few days later:
Some of the gurus of the thread end up knowing as much about cancer as expert physicians if not more so...
Even newbies learn a thing or two correctly...
And this thread is buried into the fast...
Most of us get to learn enough but will never know for sure and panic will come back and we will wonder if it is safe to:
"Is it safe to hold Big Mods with your hands?"
I hear a member lost one finger due to the heavy mods...
Two days later theres a new Robot-mod by T-manufacturing which will hold your PV for you and we will just feel a bit ashamed to vape in public this way, still would do it discretely... And as we get to read and learn MORE and MORE about Robot-companion-mods and if they should get a free ticket at the movies and such, we will have grown so fond of them that we will see them in a new light and discover how beautiful they look....
Ahahahaahhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Bottom line being that our problem is to be so nuts! Heee
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