Is This A Protected Battery?

[candre23]

I just received a DSE905 from MyVaporStore with two of these batteries. Neither the site nor the batteries themselves mention anything about being protected, and they're a tiny bit shorter than my protected trustfires. It seems very likely that they're not protected, but I wanted a second opinion before I stick them away somewhere for emergency use only.

The 905 I got (v4) is totally sealed with no vent holes. It's basically a brass pipe bomb. I definitely think using a non-protected battery in it is a bad idea. So why the hell don't they ship them with protected batteries?

 

[clownfish159]

Doesnt look/sound protected. Does the NEGATIVE end have a lip?

 

[tunabubblegum]

I dont think it is.
All the batts I have say "protective circuit" on it.
In fact, I have never seen a protected batt that didnt!

If you have a "smart" charger, it should still be safe, since they have
a circuit in them to prevent over charging. But if I were you, I would
not use it and replace with one that SAYS it's protected.

I had a un-protected 3.7V 18650 batt blow up on me once.
It was in a flashlight which was in a wooden drawer and the "shrapnel"
was imbedded in the wood inside and there was a large charred spot! 8-o

I was not home at the time, but it did teach me respect for these things
For days I could not get it out of my mind, what if I had that flashlight in
my hand when it vented into a fireball and exploded!! 8-o

Replace it!

 

[candre23]

Doesnt look/sound protected. Does the NEGATIVE end have a lip?

No lip. Nor does it have the little metal strip that runs from positive to negative under the shrink wrap, which my protected Trustfires have. Definitely looks unprotected.

I have a smart universal charger, so I'm not worried on that end. But the 905 is not protected in any way, so there is no way I'm using these batteries in that. All this hullabaloo over home-built mod safety, and here's a brand new commercial mod that breaks every single rule. I wonder if I could drill a vent hole in the bottom of this thing without ruining the battery connector? That and a protected 14500 would bring this thing "up to code" (except for the kill switch).

 

[Can_supplier]

So why the hell don't they ship them with protected batteries?

In the DSE the protection is in the circuit of the device. If you were to rip apart the area around the button you would find a circuit board with a chip. That is your protection.

Devices like camera flashes use unprotected batteries in them because the same as with the DSE 905 the internal circuit protects, or shuts down, in a condition where the batteries could be damaged.

In mod where they are just a simple on off switch, the unprotected batteries have nothing to stop them from being used to long, over discharged act, so the protection circuit must be purchased with the battery or risk injury.

To have to put vent holes in a device is rather pathetic. It’s like giving you a fire extinguisher with your new car, because there is a good chance the thing is going to catch on fire. The answer is fix the problem, rather than plan to minimize the danger of a completely unnecessary hazard.

 

[Rocketman]

Can_
You are correct. The batteries are unprotected, and the 905 has the protection circuit built in. The .... end where the switch used to be is pressed in, but not that tight, it would probably pop right out. But then again the nose piece isn't that strong so both ends would probably come out if the battery blew. At least it's not a stack battery mod.
Some people believe that it is a safe practice to stop sucking when the vapor stops.

Rocket

 

[Drozd]

To have to put vent holes in a device is rather pathetic. It’s like giving you a fire extinguisher with your new car, because there is a good chance the thing is going to catch on fire. The answer is fix the problem, rather than plan to minimize the danger of a completely unnecessary hazard.

Wow that's a pretty harsh statement...glad you're a canadian supplier and I'll never have to buy from you...I consider the vent holes on most mods more akin to seatbelts in a car because you know the user is going to abuse it in it's use..

In any way it's a cheap chinese copy of a mod....further one that in it's early versions were prone to all sorts of safety issues...so I wouldn't nessicarily trust the so called protection in the device itself...particularly when those early issues were caused by liquid leaking into the battery compartment and they chose to put the most notoriously leaky atty on the thing..
Expecially in a device that by the battery the manufacturer chooses to make it compatable with and the Amp draw that it has is going to make it prone to possible problems.. lets see amp draw on it is 1A... probable max drain rate of that cheap unprotected battery <.99A.... not the absolute worst case senario but the Amps you're trying to draw still exceeds the capabilities of the battery...probably why they chose to put a 901 on it...because any other atty or carto would far exceed the capabilities of the battery...if anything it's devices like this that SHOULD have vent holes...
I find any one of the mods safer than this device...or for any of the stock models for that matter..

 

[5cardstud]

Can_
You are correct. The batteries are unprotected, and the 905 has the protection circuit built in. The .... end where the switch used to be is pressed in, but not that tight, it would probably pop right out. But then again the nose piece isn't that strong so both ends would probably come out if the battery blew. At least it's not a stack battery mod.
Some people believe that it is a safe practice to stop sucking when the vapor stops.

Rocket

Are all 905s made that way? What about the cleaning cycle they go through does it still protect then?

 

[Can_supplier]

Wow that's a pretty harsh statement...glad you're a canadian supplier and I'll never have to buy from you...I consider the vent holes on most mods more akin to seatbelts in a car because you know the user is going to abuse it in it's use....

I'm not going to sell you a pipe bomb, that if you are lucky converts to a flame thrower with a smile on my face and a line it’s like a seatbelt to make a sale, when it really comes down to being too cheap and incompetent to make and or carry a safe product. I’ll happily loose your sale, rather than risk a lawsuit.

I can buy a very poor quality kit from China for under $7 that comes protected. I can buy a $5.00 510 battery that comes protected. There is something wrong when someone is selling a $100++ product that doesn't come with the same level of protection as a $5.00 product. It’s like buying a Rolls and not getting an airbag that even comes in a Hyundai.

You are right however about the 905, that it hasn't been too great. I gave up on it with V2. Seeing it’s up to V4 gives me a chuckle.

 

[Can_supplier]

Are all 905s made that way? What about the cleaning cycle they go through does it still protect then?

You are best never to find out.

I know up to V2 had the cleaning cycle, and all that did was melt the cart and burn the user's hand.

My recomendation was when not in use, unscrew the atty so when the cleaning cycle kicks in, nothing happens.

 

[Shortstuff116]

I've found the below link to be a very informative post of information and should help you identify if in fact you do or do not have a protected battery.

Go Here

 

[5cardstud]

You are best never to find out.

I know up to V2 had the cleaning cycle, and all that did was melt the cart and burn the user's hand.

My recomendation was when not in use, unscrew the atty so when the cleaning cycle kicks in, nothing happens.

Oh ya, I am real leary of leaving the atty attached. I should say carto cause I use cartos on it but I always unscrew it and take the batts out too.

 

[candre23]

I can buy a $5.00 510 battery that comes protected. There is something wrong when someone is selling a $100++ product that doesn't come with the same level of protection as a $5.00 product.

To be fair, the full kit is less than $50, which is only slightly more than a full 510 kit. The really annoying thing is that protected batteries only cost a couple bucks more than unprotected ones. I'm definitely not going to trust the protection circuit in the 905 itself, since that's the same circuit that apparently goes into a "cleaning cycle" every so often. How does it know how much drain the battery can or cannot safely take during this cycle?

Luckily I have a spare protected trustfire that I can use in it until I get some more 14500s. I actually rather like the mod itself. It's not as convenient as my Bartleby, but it looks a heck of a lot nicer, and vapes just as well. My only complaint (other than the obvious safety concerns) is that the plastic light ring around the atty connector is exactly the same diameter as a cartomizer. The cartos fit, but there isn't enough of a gap to draw air through without busting a lung. Would another half-millimeter of gap really have ruined it?

 

[5cardstud]

I've found the below link to be a very informative post of information and should help you identify if in fact you do or do not have a protected battery.

Go Here

That is a good place to show whether a battery is protected or not. Good find.

 

[candre23]

Thanks, Shortstuff. Good tutorial.

 

[Drozd]

I'm not going to sell you a pipe bomb, that if you are lucky converts to a flame thrower with a smile on my face and a line it’s like a seatbelt to make a sale, when it really comes down to being too cheap and incompetent to make and or carry a safe product. I’ll happily loose your sale, rather than risk a lawsuit.

I can buy a very poor quality kit from China for under $7 that comes protected. I can buy a $5.00 510 battery that comes protected. There is something wrong when someone is selling a $100++ product that doesn't come with the same level of protection as a $5.00 product. It’s like buying a Rolls and not getting an airbag that even comes in a Hyundai.

You are right however about the 905, that it hasn't been too great. I gave up on it with V2. Seeing it’s up to V4 gives me a chuckle.

well to be honest..both this post and the one before come across as snarky and arrogant...
I for one would much rather buy protected batteries than have some unknown cheap protection built into a cheap device..then again I believe consumers should educate themselves about the products they're using rather than have manufacturers have to cater to the stupidest of users..
does the mod I use have to have vent holes on it...nope..because of the batteries and atomizers I choose to use I have no fears about it's safety...is it an added feature because somewhere down the line some ..... is going to realize that they can cram these 2 totally unrecommended batteries into it, overstress them, and set themselves on the path for catastrophic failure? ...yeah because at least with proper venting maybe they won't blow their head off and further impeed my ability of whats available out there for my enjoyment.....I've heard of and seen just as many stories about stock failures as there has been documented cases of mods going up...difference is that in every mod incident I've heard of it was user error 100% of the time..the mods are every bit as safe as most stock models (even more so actually) just less idiot proof...

 

[Can_supplier]

well to be honest..both this post and the one before come across as snarky and arrogant...
I for one would much rather buy protected batteries than have some unknown cheap protection built into a cheap device..then again I believe consumers should educate themselves about the products they're using rather than have manufacturers have to cater to the stupidest of users..

I’m sorry if I come across as snarky and arrogant. My intent here is to be frank with you, as you are being with me.

I admit I was a bit aggravated that you would not buy a product from me, because I gave an honest review of a product. I think the only alternative that leaves me to gain your acceptance is to be like a shady used car salesman and say what sells. Sorry but that's just not me.

You are completely right that in the hands of someone with above average knowledge a non-protected setup should not be a danger. With your knowledge you are one of them. Your aren’t going to blow your face off.

But let’s go back to the original poster. Their question was “is this battery protected”. Not being able to answer that question, puts that user in danger. I don’t think the original poster is a ".....", I know they are not. The fact they even knew to ask the question means they have better than average knowledge, but yet would still not have enough knowledge to protect themselves if handed an unprotected device with an unprotected battery. There have even been sites out there that have recommended the combination of unprotected batteries with unprotected devices without any warnings or instructions.

I don’t favor devices being crippled so the biggest fool could not hurt themselves, to the point of where they are next to useless. Heck I ripped the foolish guards off my table saw, and the engine kill when you get out off the seat off my lawn tractor. But we don’t need inherently dangerous devices to anyone other than an expert either. The solution here is to provide devices with protection. If a more advance user like yourself feels that protection is inhibiting their enjoyment, it wouldn’t be hard for you to remove the protection.

 

[Rocketman]

Wow, my wife used three 905's. One was an earlier version that the other two, but all had the master switch. She would put them in a back pocket and sit on them and break the nose out of it. (over and over). never had a cleaning cycle melt a cart, but she would take the bat out and charge it every day, did that restart the counter? Protected batteries are a little longer and if you cranked down when putting it together it would dent the top of the battery and have connection problems (the 905s with the plastic ridges to prevent masbackfard battery insertion). She would also side swipe the tall black button until I trimmed and rounded them. They are cute.

Now a couple of battery comments. You think a 901 atty is pushing the capability of a 14500?, and a 510 is way too much? I don't think the electronics in the 905 would handle a 2.2 ohm Joye 510 atty, but anything 2.7 and above should be OK.
I just wonder what the current rating on the little Li-ion battery in the factory 510 or 901 or 401 or 801 or, get the picture? Must be OK to put a 2.2 ohm atty on a 180mah bat, hope PETA doesn't find out.

BTW, the wife is now on a big 18650 MOD, and matches color to her outfit.

Rocket

 

[Drozd]

I’m sorry if I come across as snarky and arrogant. My intent here is to be frank with you, as you are being with me.

I admit I was a bit aggravated that you would not buy a product from me, because I gave an honest review of a product. I think the only alternative that leaves me to gain your acceptance is to be like a shady used car salesman and say what sells. Sorry but that's just not me.
The thing that pushed my button was the statement that having to put vent holes in a Mod was pathetic as well as irresponsible..
I see it as Mod makers trying to add safety features to their devices without having to cripple them...
You are completely right that in the hands of someone with above average knowledge a non-protected setup should not be a danger. With your knowledge you are one of them. Your aren’t going to blow your face off.

But let’s go back to the original poster. Their question was “is this battery protected”. Not being able to answer that question, puts that user in danger. I don’t think the original poster is a ".....", I know they are not. The fact they even knew to ask the question means they have better than average knowledge, but yet would still not have enough knowledge to protect themselves if handed an unprotected device with an unprotected battery. There have even been sites out there that have recommended the combination of unprotected batteries with unprotected devices without any warnings or instructions. The problem here I see is the unknown quality of protection in the device versus a good protected battery... and I mean a good protected battery...some battery manufacturers claim protection even though they really arent fully protected...by leaving the protection on the battery at least we can hope to educate and promote the quality protection over the unknown... and thats what's being done to the OP here..they're being handed a unknown, cheap unprotected battery (that dependant on atty use is destined for failure), in a device with an unknown quality of protection (and given the early versions of the 905, I don't have high hopes for high quality), and that device is unvented with pressed in fittings...if it does pop while in use, chances are that that atty is headed toward a face...

I don’t favor devices being crippled so the biggest fool could not hurt themselves, to the point of where they are next to useless. Heck I ripped the foolish guards off my table saw, and the engine kill when you get out off the seat off my lawn tractor. But we don’t need inherently dangerous devices to anyone other than an expert either. The solution here is to provide devices with protection. If a more advance user like yourself feels that protection is inhibiting their enjoyment, it wouldn’t be hard for you to remove the protection.

Having to put protection in the device would eliminate the mechanical mods which are my preference because of the lack of wires, soldering, or electronics...truth is there are really only a handfull of batteries that are truely safe and not overstressfull to the batteries in covering the wide range of atties we have available to us..and those are the 18650 size and a couple of the CR123 size..and that means a Mod...and when you get to that size CR123 are bound to get stacked...and even less CR123 size are really safe to do that with as far as our application goes...and you know theres someone out there that's gonna use the wrong ones...I think the mechanicals are superior because they eliminate where alot of things could go wrong or short..but as such good protection needs to be on the battery...and the vents are makers trying to provide an extra layer of some safety when someone inevitably does something foolish..careful battery selection and understanding is really the true solution..

Now a couple of battery comments. You think a 901 atty is pushing the capability of a 14500?, and a 510 is way too much? I don't think the electronics in the 905 would handle a 2.2 ohm Joye 510 atty, but anything 2.7 and above should be OK.
I just wonder what the current rating on the little Li-ion battery in the factory 510 or 901 or 401 or 801 or, get the picture? Must be OK to put a 2.2 ohm atty on a 180mah bat, hope PETA doesn't find out.

BTW, the wife is now on a big 18650 MOD, and matches color to her outfit.

Rocket

I'm not sure if these first battery comments were directed at me or not..
But first I will say that it totally depends on the 14500 and the quality of it....yeah amp draw on a 901 atty at 3.7V is 1A...the 510 is 1.61A...and at full charge it's 1.14A and 1.83A respectively... that battery that comes with the 905 is probably a max drain rate of .99A so yeah someone that uses an adapter to a 510 on a fully charged battery is probably pushing it...heck I only use AW 14500 batteries or better quality on my one device and that's pushing it for a joye 510 atty (that 14500 is 1.5A max discharge rate)
And I agree about the stock batteries...though we don't know their C rating....I'm sure we're over stressing the batteries which shows in their crappy battery life and their useful duty cycle life..likely senario of a stock joye 510 is a max drain rate on a battery of <.18A and we're asking for an amp draw of 1.35A out of it....lol...pretty silly...no wonder they only last about an hour and are good for a month or 2..I'm actually surprised that we haven't seen more disasterous failures out of them since we're over-discharging them at such a horrid rate..

 

[candre23]

yet would still not have enough knowledge to protect themselves if handed an unprotected device with an unprotected battery.

Like hell I wouldn't. I'd do exactly what I'm doing with this - ditch the unprotected batteries and get some protected ones.

I could maybe see the argument that having to add a kill switch to a wireless mod is unnecessary, or that vent holes are "ugly". But I don't get how anybody could argue against protected batteries. It doesn't affect the performance or aesthetics of the device in any way, and adds an extra layer of protection. In a device that lacks any other means of protection, it's a no-brainer. Don't be stupid and oppose safety features just because they're safety features.