Is this insane or am I just a B...?

[Ryle]

Ok so I've been looking for another job something to go along with what I've already got going, and I've got about 5 "hits" in the last 48hours. I have a friend that lost his job 10/09/09.. Was fired out of nowhere because the company needed to cut hours. It's the 21st, well darn near the 22nd now. No job, no "hits" no nothing.

This says one of two things to me (correct me if I'm wrong)

1) he's not trying
2) he's a Jack a** and is not coming across as decent on an application.


I don't think he fully comprehends how utterly CRAPPY the job market is right now.

Well any how, I was telling him about the responses I got just from revamping my resume to be a little more intellectual, a bit more vague, and a lot less basic (if that makes sense) and how simply leaving off pieces of information made it go from sending out resumes and getting no responses, to sending out 4 resume's and getting 4 replies. Being the nice person I am I told him I'd give him the outline from my resume and let him adjust it to himself so that he wouldn't have to spend the 16hours of thought and research I did to make it what it was. Also volunteered to look for possible job opportunities for him.

Well I found this almost immediately.
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• Be detail-oriented and dependable
• Have some computer knowledge
• Enjoy working with their hands and with their minds
• Be quick learner and self-motivated
• Follow good manufacturing processes and uphold the company's standards of excellence for quality, sanitation and consistency

This is a full-time position working a 12-hour shift. This means you will only work about 16 days per month as a full-time employee! You must be willing to work some weekends each month and holidays whenever they fall on your scheduled day to work.​

In return, offers:

• excellent benefits
• on-the-job training
• uniforms at no cost
• advancement opportunities
• fast-track raise program

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My guess is that these guys are probably paying upwards of $10-$12 an hour (most factory type jobs do) as opposed to the $7-$8 an hour he's used to. And It has benefits too! (he's always complaining about lack of medical coverage)

So I tell him about it and you know what his response is? Not "how much is the pay" not "where is it" hell, not eve "what do they make"

He says "I'm not working no 12 hour shifts" 8-o

Can you believe it?! I couldn't.. I almost fell over. In TODAY'S economy? In this job market? Won't work 12 hour shifts?! I've worked 12 hour shifts 5 days a week before and he want's to complain about 12 hour shifts that only add up to an average of 40ish hours a week? If my 11 O'Clock interview tomorrow pans out right I'll be working from about 9am to 12am every day, that's what? 15hours a day? 5days a week. And he's going to complain about 12hour shifts?! Ugggg! It makes me want to beat him half to death.

When I asked him why not, his response was "if I had a family and kids, or a house of my own I might but I'm not doing it without that" ... my response "and that's exactly why you're never going to go anywhere in life or have the things you want, you're too good to actually WORK" (which resulted in the end of a conversation and a ticked off friend )

So guys and gals, am I over irritated with the whole subject or does this boy need a good ol fashioned southern a** kickin?

 

[crashtestjeep]

sounds to me like he's enjoying the time off....

 

[frankie1]

I vote for the azz whoopin!

 

[Dredbull]

Not Ryle you are right he is a slacker.
I have a slacker co worker that appears to be busy and leaves on time. No clean up, no effort NOTHING done.

I do not mind putting forth the effort to get my stuff done, which is a monster pile every day but to get saddled with half his stuff?? I just buckle down take the ot and go about my business.

 

[RIMP]

Ok so I've been looking for another job something to go along with what I've already got going, and I've got about 5 "hits" in the last 48hours. I have a friend that lost his job 10/09/09.. Was fired out of nowhere because the company needed to cut hours. It's the 21st, well darn near the 22nd now. No job, no "hits" no nothing.

This says one of two things to me (correct me if I'm wrong)

1) he's not trying
2) he's a Jack a** and is not coming across as decent on an application.


I don't think he fully comprehends how utterly CRAPPY the job market is right now.

Well any how, I was telling him about the responses I got just from revamping my resume to be a little more intellectual, a bit more vague, and a lot less basic (if that makes sense) and how simply leaving off pieces of information made it go from sending out resumes and getting no responses, to sending out 4 resume's and getting 4 replies. Being the nice person I am I told him I'd give him the outline from my resume and let him adjust it to himself so that he wouldn't have to spend the 16hours of thought and research I did to make it what it was. Also volunteered to look for possible job opportunities for him.

Well I found this almost immediately.
----------------------------

• Be detail-oriented and dependable
• Have some computer knowledge
• Enjoy working with their hands and with their minds
• Be quick learner and self-motivated
• Follow good manufacturing processes and uphold the company's standards of excellence for quality, sanitation and consistency

This is a full-time position working a 12-hour shift. This means you will only work about 16 days per month as a full-time employee! You must be willing to work some weekends each month and holidays whenever they fall on your scheduled day to work.​

In return, offers:

• excellent benefits
• on-the-job training
• uniforms at no cost
• advancement opportunities
• fast-track raise program

---------
My guess is that these guys are probably paying upwards of $10-$12 an hour (most factory type jobs do) as opposed to the $7-$8 an hour he's used to. And It has benefits too! (he's always complaining about lack of medical coverage)

So I tell him about it and you know what his response is? Not "how much is the pay" not "where is it" hell, not eve "what do they make"

He says "I'm not working no 12 hour shifts" 8-o

Can you believe it?! I couldn't.. I almost fell over. In TODAY'S economy? In this job market? Won't work 12 hour shifts?! I've worked 12 hour shifts 5 days a week before and he want's to complain about 12 hour shifts that only add up to an average of 40ish hours a week? If my 11 O'Clock interview tomorrow pans out right I'll be working from about 9am to 12am every day, that's what? 15hours a day? 5days a week. And he's going to complain about 12hour shifts?! Ugggg! It makes me want to beat him half to death.

When I asked him why not, his response was "if I had a family and kids, or a house of my own I might but I'm not doing it without that" ... my response "and that's exactly why you're never going to go anywhere in life or have the things you want, you're too good to actually WORK" (which resulted in the end of a conversation and a ticked off friend )

So guys and gals, am I over irritated with the whole subject or does this boy need a good ol fashioned southern a** kickin?

I vote for the a** whoopin He must not have bills to pay Some people don't get the hard work to get ahead thing Think they should be GIVEN an 8-5 $50/hr job I don't get it, before I went back to school for nursing I worked 2 and a half jobs to pay bills and raise a child End of rant

RIMP

 

[Ryle]

That's the most messed up part RIMP, He does have bills to pay! His cell phone, his storage unit, needs to fix his car, plus about 500ish a month in living expenses with his roomie.

I was raised with the understanding that you don't shun work. Maybe it's cause I was raised in the south? IDK. All I know is that I'd be outside in the AZ sun for 18 hours a day shoveling ***** if I had to. If a job pays and isn't immoral, I'll do it if I'm physically able, and most likely half kill myself trying even if I'm NOT physically able.

Like that job, most likely it's 12 hours on your feet. I can't do that, bum hip won't let me stand for more than 3 hours a day, sometimes less, without giving out on me. But you know what? I applied for it anyway. Maybe it's doing something where I can sit on a stool or a bench or something while I work. Ya never know right?

But for someone to look me in the eye and decline a job that quite possibly could be paying as much as 15 an hour simply because they don't want 12 hour shifts!!!! Grrrr I'm so tempted to go beat him.

People like him should be put on 18hour day chain gangs for $0.05 an hour until they can fully appreciate the value of being payed for your work. and that He's not TOO GOOD to work.

What a useless P.O.S. Excuse for a human being?!

 

[notsoogood]

When I was 41 I went back to college. Worked a full time swing shift job, got 3 hours of sleep a night (if I was lucky), then went to school before 7am just to listen to the 20 somethings complain about how they didn't get to bed before 10pm the night before! Sheesh...give me a break!

Been smoke free for 21 days now but will admit that if I had an analog handy I would be real tempted to smoke it!

 

[Ryle]

What irritates me the most is that he seems to think he has the right to have such an attitude on the subject. I'm the bad guy for saying he doesn't put forth effort. We've been texting since I posted this n I went off on him, telling him how his own resume reaffirms my point that he's too lazy to actually work. He always has an excuse why he lost a job. But I see a pattern, hasn't worked for a single company even 1 year straight in his entire work history. He's 26 years old!

So I went off on him telling him how crappy his work ethic is, pointing out his lack of skills, qualifications, or even decent references.

Maybe if I'm mean enough to him he might see the light and realize no one is buying his "poor me" crap anymore.

 

[Allestaria]

I worked 12+ hours shifts for several years. I will NEVER do it again. It screwed up my sleeping schedule so bad. After not working for 3 years. I am still up later then I should be.

The one thing that isn't clicking with him. Is when you have a family you don't want to work 12 hour shifts. You want your 9-5 job so you can be home with the family. No family 12 hour shifts are great way to make some money. And keep ya out of trouble!

I was 12 when I started working. Second hand store cashier and odd stuff. I have worked since then. For 20 years straight. Because I worked hard. I own my house + land and 3 cars. 1 van, 1 truck, and my pride 84 camero. But it took hard work. You can't sit on your .... and think the money is going to flow in on a 5 hour a day job. It doesn't work that way.

Smack him around a little bit. And make sure he understands. Women do NOT want a lazy bumm. So if he is planning on family and a house. He better start makin some doe and saving some up.
Can't get a house without credit. Can't have credit without a job.

Then there are the people who just don't get it. The light bulb goes off when they are 50. Or later even.

 

[whistlrr]

what's your friend living on in the meantime? parental units? air? love?

whatever it is, when it runs out he'll be singing a different tune.

Send him up north. He could be the one Michigander who's actually happy to be unable to find work... in about a month or so if this is a typical year he'll even have an extra perk an excuse (by weather) to not to even want to leave his house..

err... waitaminute.. for that plan first you have to have a house...
and in order to have a house you have to have an income, something to pay for it with, a job

send him up here anyway, let a little Lake Effect, Windchill Factor and the very real threat of freezing to death (after Frost Bite literally chaps his ...) do their 'magical motivational' work on him.

 

[LadyPamela]

I think I would love a 12 hour shift and more days "off". My company used to have four 10 hour days and that was great. What's a few more hours when you can have another day off? I get to work on my house, do my crafts, whatver I want to do.

If anyone is out of work for that long you know darn well that they don't WANT to work. If I lost my job I would be out there trying to get any job I could. I've been thinking about getting another part-time job as it is. I work a standard 40 hours a week in the network/telecom field and I'm trying to save all I can to retire in 9 years. Another job would help out a lot.

 

[SLDS181]

So guys and gals, am I over irritated with the whole subject or does this boy need a good ol fashioned southern a** kickin?

I'll never understand your friend's mindset.

I used to work three jobs. I currently work a minimum of 50hrs a week, though technically i only have to work 40, I usually am in the 60hrs/wk range because the job needs doing.

My dad has been through a few layoffs, and was only really on unemployment for a short time - he would pick up any job that would help pay the bills to keep us going, and then found a new job that was equal to what he had within 6 months.

I've been working since my teens, I've never really been unemployed. Same with my brother. Maybe its just how we were raised.... but I understand your perception and position completely.

 

[Ryle]

what's your friend living on in the meantime? parental units? air? love?

whatever it is, when it runs out he'll be singing a different tune.

The good graces of an understanding, really laid back roommate.

I think I would love a 12 hour shift and more days "off". My company used to have four 10 hour days and that was great. What's a few more hours when you can have another day off? I get to work on my house, do my crafts, whatver I want to do.

If anyone is out of work for that long you know darn well that they don't WANT to work. If I lost my job I would be out there trying to get any job I could. I've been thinking about getting another part-time job as it is. I work a standard 40 hours a week in the network/telecom field and I'm trying to save all I can to retire in 9 years. Another job would help out a lot.

I'd work 12 hour shifts 7 days a week if they'd let me (and pay me for it) And I totally get what you mean about your dad, that's how I am, when I lost my previous job I took the first 2 offered. Right now I'm in a position to be semi picky so I'm looking for the most money someone will give me for the least effort 3 interviews today.. 1 was a joke (commission only sales) the other two though were offering over 10 an hour, trying to decide which I'd rather do. Would take em both if a day had more than 24 hours in it.... stupid clock!

I'll never understand your friend's mindset.
.... but I understand your perception and position completely.

I'm so glad you guys see my point of view. I was a little worried before I posted this that I might just be in B* mode. Good to know that I wasn't wrong for ripping into him like I did. Though talking to him how I was last night, made him feel like a total useless P.O.S. excuse for a human being and he's actually making some semblance of an effort to find a job. lol we'll see how long it lasts. Maybe I'll ship him up to Michigan like whistlrr suggested. That might actually work

 

[LisaLisa]

Unless he is on government assistance or some other type of tax payer funded program, then I think it's his business what jobs he wants to pursue. To each his own..........

 

[535cheetah]

im up in michigan as well ... it sucks big time up here !!! send him up here lol , like whistlrr said .. freeze your ... off, and good luck tryin to find a job here.. i worked for a company for 5 yrs that treat their employee's like total crapo and work lmao .... minimum of 50 hrs a week there... 7 am till whenever .. sometimes till 12 at night. most hours in one week i worked at that hell hole was 92.5 hrs. longggg story short .... im have been outa work now for 7 months round abouts. just collecting the unemployment.
now half of me hates it and wants a job very badly and the other half kinda likes it, (because i have been working since ive been able to 15 yrs old legally) since i have 2 little ones 3 yr old and a 3 month old.... i missed sooooooo much of my 3 yr olds life working that many hours. so now i cherish every moment with them.

now dont get me wrong there are a few jobs out there .... but mainly low/min wage jobs that will lead into no where down the road... so until my unemployment runs out, why bust my .... workin, making less money then, sitting at home playing with my kids and collecting unemployment?
side note im going to be going college this winter or coming spring, so that i may get a decent job, that will lead somewhere lol.

but if any of you live in michigan and know of a decent job, where you dont need a masters degree to make 15 bucks an hour lemme know!!!
These employers got us by the b%lls, knowing we all need a job, they can pay you less for more work and we will do it, because of the times and all the people outa work.

 

[Drunkwaco]

Having done some hiring before. I can tell you there is some resumes that come thru that I know have gotten at least 10 calls and i'd have to present a better job for this person. And then there are resumes that i know havn't gotten a call yet and they won't get one from me either.
Moral of the story Sure he could be a lazy bum not trying very hard at all. But don't count out that fact that he could be trying very hard it's just that he's to dumb to get a job right now in this market.

 

[Ryle]

Unless he is on government assistance or some other type of tax payer funded program, then I think it's his business what jobs he wants to pursue. To each his own..........

I figure it's my business when he's always whining to me about not having a job, money, or stuff he wants. And when he;s always asking me for money, borrowing my car and not paying for gas, or having me drive him places.. and not paying me for gas. When his lack of a job is costing ME money, it's my business what he does or doesn't do. I couldn't care less if he was giving BJ's up at a truck stop if he was paying his own way. but to turn down ANY job when he doesn't have one is asinine.

Having done some hiring before. I can tell you there is some resumes that come thru that I know have gotten at least 10 calls and i'd have to present a better job for this person. And then there are resumes that i know havn't gotten a call yet and they won't get one from me either.
Moral of the story Sure he could be a lazy bum not trying very hard at all. But don't count out that fact that he could be trying very hard it's just that he's to dumb to get a job right now in this market.

I'm voting both lazy and stupid

 

[LisaLisa]

I figure it's my business when he's always whining to me about not having a job, money, or stuff he wants. And when he;s always asking me for money, borrowing my car and not paying for gas, or having me drive him places.. and not paying me for gas. When his lack of a job is costing ME money, it's my business what he does or doesn't do. I couldn't care less if he was giving BJ's up at a truck stop if he was paying his own way. but to turn down ANY job when he doesn't have one is asinine.

I'm voting both lazy and stupid

Well, you left that part out of your original post. Don't lend him money, don't let him use your car, don't let him eat your food and don't listen to his whining and crying. Then it won't be your problem anymore. Buy him a box of pampers next time he starts up. He needs to grow up and he won't if people around him continue to do for him all of the time. Tough love.

I learned a long time ago not to allow other people to make their problems my problems. They will if you let them, you have to draw the line somewhere.

 

[Drunkwaco]

Sounds to me like he is a munch and your a enablier. Your feeding them the fire to continue thinking he can munch for ever. If this is the case you need to cut him off hard and fast. No better way to prepare someone for the world then show them how cold the streets are.

 

[Ryle]

That's a good point. I just hate seeing my friends having issues if I can help em out.