Is this true?

[bombastinator2]

Saw a thing that said Australia is banning disposable imports. Not being Australian I know little about this one. Can anyone speak to it? It appears there are several articles.

Gone in a puff of smoke: Importing disposable vapes banned from next year

Disposable vapes won’t be allowed into Australia from the new year, but people will be able to get a prescription from any doctor or nurse practitioner.

www.smh.com.au

 

[DavidOck]

Well, it is highly addictive.

No. Cigarettes are, nic isn't.

Is Everything We Know About Nicotine Wrong?

The tobacco plant, nicotiana tabacum, has been cultivated, chewed and smoked by the Native Americans since about 6000 B.C., possibly longer. For millennia, tobacco has been an important part of society, and used frequently for ceremonial and medicinal purposes. And yet today, we all know that...

themindunleashed.com

One of the most respected researchers in the field, Dr. Paul Newhouse, Director of Vanderbilt University’s Center for Cognitive Medicine, argues that nicotine “seems very safe even in nonsmokers. In our studies we find it actually reduces blood pressure chronically. And there were no addiction or withdrawal problems, and nobody started smoking cigarettes. The risk of addiction to nicotine alone is virtually nil.” tobacco has also been considered harmful because it is highly addictive, but whether nicotine has the same addictive potential remains unclear. According to Dr. Newhouse, “nicotine by itself isn’t very addictive at all… [it] seems to require assistance from other substances found in tobacco to get people hooked.”

italics theirs, red mine.

That's just one reference to the NON-addictive quality of nic - without all the other alkaloids in burned tobacco,

We don't need to perpetuate the myths, imo.

 

[DavidOck]

Yes, I DO differentiate between the two, as they are not the same. I have a coffee habit, but can go without, if I choose. And, when still a smoker, I did want that "fix" about hourly. As a vaper, no issues at all going many hours without a toke. (Yes, situational, like going to a long movie. No stress.)

Heh. I actually patreoned that thing.

And yes, more real research is needed. PM is probably trying to protect their profits. Doh.

 

[somdcomputerguy]

I only swig it on the weekends.

 

[DavidOck]

Some clarification?

Addictive, no. Habit forming, yeah.

 

[DavidOck]

Anti-smoking partisans all say it's addictive. Actual research, not so much.

Documentary Exposes Global Nicotine Misinformation Campaign - Competitive Enterprise Institute

A new documentary, You Don’t Know Nicotine, posits that everything we thought we knew about nicotine could be wrong.

cei.org

Most of our notions about nicotine stem from the anti-tobacco educational efforts initiated in the 1980s. Thanks in large part to those efforts, there is no longer a debate about harms caused by smoking. But, through a case of guilt by association, they also led to beliefs that nicotine is addictive in and of itself and that nicotine causes cancer. Such notions stigmatized the substance and its users, regardless of the method or purpose of its consumption. As the documentary shows, these ideas are not only wrong but harmful for individuals, public health, and science.

 

[dog man]

Most smokers are not technically addicted to Nic. It takes years and a LOT of cigs to get to an addicted stage. It's more of a mental thing with most smokers.
So... going over to Vape, the main reasons for Vape's successes are..
(a) hand to mouth action...
(b) vape emulating the appearance of smoke..
(c) flavors and nic levels that are adjustable.

 

[DPLongo22]

And the suits just can't seem to get that nicotine doesn't harm people, but smoke and TAR do. Nicotine can be harmful, it's the dosage that makes a poison. If I take a few swigs of the 100mg/ml in my fridge, I'll barf and probably have a headache. OTOH, if I take 7 or 8 aspirins at once..

I only swig it on the weekends.

 

[Tor R]

This seems to be about a lot more than banning importation of disposables. Not allowing nicotine base to be sold except through pharmacies which do not actually sell it seems to be one, which would be a different thing. IThis is happening as well? That is going to be a serious problem.

Yup, Australia is banning all vape, gear, juice, nic etc.
You can buy something simple at pharmacies, if you have a doctor's prescription.
Give it a year, those who vape as us will be criminals, while the youth get theirs just like they have been able to until now.

Well, it is highly addictive. Which is arguably harm to someone not already addicted. Tar and particulate is bad for everyone though. Addicted, non-addicted, even bystanders. Cigarettes do MORE harm than e-cigs. By a fairly wide margin. There seems to be a similar thing in US politics. If both choices are bad the idea is to choose the least bad one, while the people who gain for the most bad one argue that since they are both bad they are the same when they’re not. There are people that seem to understand this yet they do it anyway. I don’t understand that. I wouldn’t be able to live with myself.

Cigarettes are very addictive, but it's not just because of the nicotine. It is the whole combination within the cigarette.
In terms of quantity, I use much less nic with vape, I can count on one hand the times I've had a light-headedness in the last 3 years, it wasn't like that with cigarettes.
But the authorities believe that if we have nic in our juice, we are doomed to become nic slaves for the rest of our lives.
Nic is perhaps the most addictive substance there is, say the politicians...

 

[somdcomputerguy]

This basically boils down to be about money, and absolutely nothing about protecting anybody. This is much more about maintaining the cigarette cash flow.

 

[smacuser]

Like pot.

 

[somdcomputerguy]

Aussie vapers speak out about the ban - Dr Colin Mendelsohn

AUSSIE VAPERS ARE ANGRY, ANXIOUS AND FEARFUL about Mark Butler’s proposed vaping crackdown. Many are genuinely terrified of returning to smoking and very few are willing to comply with the new laws. Vapers feel that Mark Butler is not listening. He hears one side of the story from his advisers...

colinmendelsohn.com.au

 

[somdcomputerguy]

And the suits just can't seem to get that nicotine doesn't harm people, but smoke and TAR do. Nicotine can be harmful, it's the dosage that makes a poison. If I take a few swigs of the 100mg/ml in my fridge, I'll barf and probably have a headache. OTOH, if I take 7 or 8 aspirins at once..

 

[smacuser]

Still, there’s money to be made.

 

[bombastinator2]

Still, there’s money to be made.

True. And wherever there is money to be made there will be someone trying to do it. Usually. This seems to me to be the MO of Murdoch. It seems he looks for those things that are so awful no one will do them and then does them. His public relations passes this off as “making the hard choices” and “seeing things other people don’t.” I personally see it as almost inhuman venality. The things have been seen and known for a long time. It’s just that the ramifications are so awful and horrific in the long term, no human will do them. In its way it’s more or less the same thing though. Sometimes cleaning up a mess no one is willing to and creating a mess so bad no one can ever clean it up are indistinguishable.

 

[bombastinator2]

Some clarification?

Addictive, no. Habit forming, yeah.

You seem to be differentiating the two. I have seen it called physical addiction and mental addiction and it was about physical side affects, as there can be even life threatening side effects for some drugs. That word may also be removed. I’ve run into that a couple of times now.

Anti-smoking partisans all say it's addictive. Actual research, not so much.

Documentary Exposes Global Nicotine Misinformation Campaign - Competitive Enterprise Institute

A new documentary, You Don’t Know Nicotine, posits that everything we thought we knew about nicotine could be wrong.

cei.org

Most of our notions about nicotine stem from the anti-tobacco educational efforts initiated in the 1980s. Thanks in large part to those efforts, there is no longer a debate about harms caused by smoking. But, through a case of guilt by association, they also led to beliefs that nicotine is addictive in and of itself and that nicotine causes cancer. Such notions stigmatized the substance and its users, regardless of the method or purpose of its consumption. As the documentary shows, these ideas are not only wrong but harmful for individuals, public health, and science.

Heh. I actually patreoned that thing. That still just throws it into the realm of the barely known though, which is the traditional stomping grounds of mountebanks. If so more research is urgently needed, and Phillip Morris if they’ve done it but not quite officially finished it and instead “stopped” the study “before it was finished” (which is likely given their historical behavior) thus leaping through the quite disturbing loop hole there, One would think they would be trumpeting such a thing.

 

[dog man]

I'm reading all of this shaking my head.
(Sorta off topic here)
My Mom quit cigs and 2 years later dementia set in. You see, Nic is a positive cognitive drug. Did Her stopping smoking trigger Her dementia? A total unknown.
I'm suspecting it could have slowed Her issues and maybe lived longer and in a better cognitive state.
That said, I'll never give up Nic...I don't care how I ingest it (gum/patch/ vape/ certain veggies).

It seems conclusive that Cig Co's (with some exceptions) add chemicals to their tobacco to add to Nic's addictiveness. I still smoke and am trying to go over to vape. I refuse to smoke tobacco with these added chems in them. The added chems are also cancer triggers. Marlboro is one of the worst.
Vape has none of this excepting some flavors which might add dangers.

Then theres the whole ''virus'' discussion.. It was noted that covid was less troublesome in smokers.
Is it due to the Nic and are vapers also aided? Since ''anti tobacco'' advocates don't want that research done,,we'll likely be left in the dark.
Not to get all political here but Trump touted Ivermectin... then Biden had it nixed and near impossible to get. I order it out of India since it cannot be prescribed by my Holistic Doc. This stops cancers, covid and a list of other maladies.. bur since the damned Drug Co' make so much $$$'s on drugs and cancers, we are left on our own to figure these things out.

So I probably went a little off topic here... but feel justified in doing so.
Why? Ya just cant trust the reporting or misleading research out there.
And as always...."Follow The Money!"

 

[somdcomputerguy]

I was in a hospital a while back and I couldn't smoke, which wasn't a problem since I didn't smoke anymore, but I couldn't vape either. I remember the first or second day when we had a group outside and the thought briefly flashed thru my mind that it would be nice to have a few tokes off my mod. For the next two weeks or so, I had no more 'vape thoughts' and I didn't have any nic fits at all. There was a lady there who got a nic patch on her arm every night, and all day she mumbled about wanting a cigarette.

 

[bombastinator2]

I personally am not against banning disposables conceptually as it could make ecigs more expensive initially (which is a problem for school age children) and make the loss of them when confiscated bite harder, but this sort of thing is famous for having unexpected consequences.

 

[bombastinator2]

Aussie vapers speak out about the ban - Dr Colin Mendelsohn

AUSSIE VAPERS ARE ANGRY, ANXIOUS AND FEARFUL about Mark Butler’s proposed vaping crackdown. Many are genuinely terrified of returning to smoking and very few are willing to comply with the new laws. Vapers feel that Mark Butler is not listening. He hears one side of the story from his advisers...

colinmendelsohn.com.au

This seems to be about a lot more than banning importation of disposables. Not allowing nicotine base to be sold except through pharmacies which do not actually sell it seems to be one, which would be a different thing. IThis is happening as well? That is going to be a serious problem.