they actually add stuff to make the nicotine 20x more addictive, it also changes how our bodies react to nicotine which is why it's very hard to get a never smoker addicted to just nicotine.
Is vaping more dangerous than we think?
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What's to misunderstand? My comment has nothing to do with those that have smoked cigarettes.
I smoked for 38 years straight,not counting my teenage on again off again usage. I know I was
addicted to smoking cigarettes. However its up to debate what was addicting. Its been known
since the 1964 Surgeon Generals report on smoking that nicotine is not the problem. They
knew that the inhalation of the smoke is what caused dependency. Cigar and smokeless
tobacco and pipes dependency rates were 3% or less compared to cigarette smoking at about 33%.
That's 3% of the 33%.
To get back to the point are you saying that nicotine not causing dependency to lifetime non-
smokers is not relevant? How so?
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Mike
Chill out, Skoony. I said I misunderstood something you said and retracted my statement but you won't let it go at that????What's to misunderstand? My comment has nothing to do with those that have smoked cigarettes.
I smoked for 38 years straight,not counting my teenage on again off again usage. I know I was
addicted to smoking cigarettes. However its up to debate what was addicting. Its been known
since the 1964 Surgeon Generals report on smoking that nicotine is not the problem. They
knew that the inhalation of the smoke is what caused dependency. Cigar and smokeless
tobacco and pipes dependency rates were 3% or less compared to cigarette smoking at about 33%.
That's 3% of the 33%.
To get back to the point are you saying that nicotine not causing dependency to lifetime non-
smokers is not relevant? How so?
Regards
Mike
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You may be right. It's late,I'm tired and, I took my night meds an hour ago.
later people.
Regards
Mike
I know one thing. vaping is better than ciggs. Vaping is not a perfect alternative, I still have breathing issues from vaping. Not as bad as when I smoked. If it was perfect people wouldn't want to ban it. You will always get the people that deny they have a problem. Addiction does that. If you are an adult you can make adult decisions. One thing I will not do, Is spend more on Vaping then I did on ciggs. Its ridiculous!!!!! People spend more on vaping then you can believe. I mean thousands just for cheap VAPING. You would think they were smoking the finest picked tobacco In the world. All it is is cheap ... Vegetable Glycerin with some basic ... flavoring. And a over priced ugly wooden brass device that shoots out Vaper, no different than a 20 dollar iStick. Some people go on waiting lists just to spend 5 grand or more on some handmade device that gives you 20 dollar overpriced E-juice vapor. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to learn what vaping is. You can read one article and understand everything. People make the biggest deal about it. Its ridiculous. The worst ones are the ones who want to ban vaper. They should be focussed on crack and ...... and legal marijuana. The .... is allot worse then some stupid vapor with nicotine!. Kids will do whatever they want. You can't stop a teenager from doing drugs If the adults are doing it too. Whenever someone says anything bad about vaping to me. I say ''So What''! Then shoot me!
According to this study
Nicotine delivery, retention and pharmacokinetics from various electronic cigarettes - St.Helen - 2015 - Addiction - Wiley Online Library
most of juice nicotine (as well as VG and PG) is absorbed.
I am not aware of other studies on the topic (not that I looked really hard).
If I'm not mistaken, that study infers that the nicotine is absorbed/retained simply because it was not exhaled.
But that doesn't mean that a lot of nicotine was destroyed by heat before being inhaled.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
You might want might to use the search function to look for information on using organic flavorings.
It has been argued that it could be a bad idea to use them.
I'd find some of that information if I had time, but I'm off for dinner...
Short answer - I do not know.If I'm not mistaken, that study infers that the nicotine is absorbed/retained simply because it was not exhaled.
But that doesn't mean that a lot of nicotine was destroyed by heat before being inhaled.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
A bit longer - I do not believe it is destroyed, and for sure I do not believe PG and VG are destroyed.
As I remember temperature is reaching 900C (1650F) in cigarette, and some nicotine can survive it.
In a e-cig temperature is lower (how much lower?) then boiling point of VG, which is 290C (550F).
Huge difference. I believe it survives.
I also not just believe, I hope nothing is decomposing - products could be (to say the least) not healthy.
no really. they also add stuff to mask lung disease. I'll look for the link to additives when I get home. they also add compounds that act lke antidepressants.hate searching on my phose :S
I did not find anything helpful in this study.
Maybe you were talking about demonized free base nicotine? But there was paper that showed that there are a lot of free-based nicotine in juices. Even more: one popular nicotine supplier for vapers happily reports that their product "consist of the highest quality freebase nicotine"!
I think the point Asylumsix is trying to make is that cigarette companies are adding chemicals, (like ammonia), to cigarettes to make them more addictive, which is one of the points the paper is making. Also adding things to mask symptoms of smoking related illnesses.
From the link that Asylumsix provided,
"Similar to the findings of previous studies, our results show that the tobacco industry used additives (1) that enhance or maintain nicotine delivery and could increase the addictiveness of cigarettes and (2) that mask symptoms and illnesses associated with smoking behavior."
"Previous research18,21,114 makes it clear that the industry expended significant resources to develop and use methods to increase free base nicotine via ammonia technology and other methods."
"Unregulated botanical and chemical additives might have “multiple use” purposes, such as enhancing flavor and providing for a “smoother” smoking experience as well as preventing or masking symptoms associated with illnesses induced by smoking."
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