Is vaping more dangerous than we think?

[Coldrake]

Not sure how some people in here are saying nicotine is not addictive. Its as addictive as .......

When it's in cigarettes, yes it is addictive. There is no scientific evidence that nicotine by itself, is addictive, but there is scientific evidence that it isn't.

"Nonsmoking subjects with amnestic MCI were randomized to transdermal nicotine (15 mg per day or placebo) for 6 months."

"No withdrawal symptoms were reported by subjects or informants nor were any subjects reported to be continuing to use nicotine after the study was completed."

Nicotine treatment of mild cognitive impairment: A 6-month double-blind pilot clinical trial

 

[bigdancehawk]

No need to "call out" anyone. If you have reason to suspect someone of trolling just click on "report" (located at the bottom left hand side of the post) and let the moderators decide.

"Call out" is not entirely accurate. I merely suggested that supplying nutritious morsels to certain creatures is an unrewarding exercise except, of course, for the creatures themselves.

 

[sofarsogood]

Nicotine gum and patches have been available over the counter for 18 years with FDA approval. The FDA could do this because nicotine alone is NOT habit forming to people who never smoked. No science needed for this. Common sense gets it done.

 

[bigdancehawk]

"My Dad switched to a pipe and three weeks later his nose fell off etc etc..."

What a coincidence! The exact same thing happened to my uncle.

 

[Racehorse]

Unflavored? I vape almost unflavored (not because of some danger, but because I like it that way).

What I found interesting in conversations with DIYers on several forums is that they are often *unable* to go back to vendor juice after a long time DIYing.

Everyone says the vendor juice tastes so overly sweetened and/or over-flavored that they just can't imagine vaping it anymore.

I guess one's taste buds adapt to different things.

I see a parallel with processed food (which I don't eat anymore). They put a lot of extra sugar and "other stuff" in there because it sells, people like the taste.

I like string beans, fresh. I've noticed that you can buy "in a bag" that quick microwave dinner in a box, and they have slathered it with (fake) cheese, (fake) butter, and all kinds of other stuff (chemicals). Ugh!!!!!!!

But it does take a while to allow your taste buds to regroup and not *require* all that. Now, when I eat a string bean, I don't even need ANYTHING on it. It tastes extremely sweet and flavorful to me. But that came about with months and months of eating them that way, and at first, they did taste bland. Now, tey don't. !!!!

 

[VNeil]

So there's no "risk" associated with any of the other substitute compounds ?

I've sometimes argued that if you are concerned about diketones you should be vaping unflavored. There are hundreds of flavorings that go into eJuice and who knows how many compounds, and the only ones that have been tested for inhalation are the few identified as industrial issues. No one will ever test them all, especially since the science is geared to generating propaganda and not a general search for the truth.

 

[Racehorse]

^^^^ just want to say, you can train and habituate your body, slowly, to match whatever goals you have, and it takes some time, but your body adapts, just like it adapted to what you are putting in / doing to it now.

So, if you have a goal with eating or vaping, do it slowly, don't expect it to taste perfect or feel perfect right away, it does take some time to get used to less, which turns out to be *more* for many of us.

 

[sofarsogood]

What I found interesting in conversations with DIYers on several forums is that they are often *unable* to go back to vendor juice after a long time DIYing.

Everyone says the vendor juice tastes so overly sweetened and/or over-flavored that they just can't imagine vaping it anymore.

I started DIY a few months ago and notice flavor senssitivity. For my last batch I reduced the flavoer from 3.5% to 1.7% and like it better. I had a remaining 240 ml bottle of commerical pre mix bought on line. I couldn't stand to vape it any more until i diluted it 75% by mixing in PG and VG and enough nic to keep the nic percent the same. That turned 240 ml of pre mix into 960 ml of DIY that I prefer to the original mix. The cost of the added PG, VG, and nicotine is a few dollars.

If someone is hooked on some premix then dilute it with PG and VG and add nic to keep that where you want. That should make your favorite liquid a LOT less expense.

 

[sparkky1]

I started DIY a few months ago and notice flavor senssitivity. For my last batch I reduced the flavoer from 3.5% to 1.7% and like it better. I had a remaining 240 ml bottle of commerical pre mix bought on line. I couldn't stand to vape it any more until i diluted it 75% by mixing in PG and VG and enough nic to keep the nic percent the same. That turned 240 ml of pre mix into 960 ml of DIY that I prefer to the original mix. The cost of the added PG, VG, and nicotine is a few dollars.

If someone is hooked on some premix then dilute it with PG and VG and add nic to keep that where you want. That should make your favorite liquid a LOT less expense.

People might have to at 55.00$ for 30ml ............

 

[sofarsogood]

People might have to at 55.00$ for 30ml ............

It's another reason to get DIY supplies, to cut pre mix or mix from scratch. The economics are irresitable. The tobacco in a cigarette has about 20 mg of nic but only 1 mg survives combustion. All the nic in vaping survives because there's no combution. A $50 liter of 100mg nic has 100,000 mg of nic. That's the same as the yield from 5,000 packs of cigarettes. Wouldn't that be the deal of the century?

 

[HauntedMyst]

Is vaping more dangerous than we think?

Yes. My friend Bob took up vaping, went outside his apartment to have a vape and BAM! A piano fell on his head. Sure enough, the fear mongering media headlines read "E-cigarette kills another user!" Some people would blame the piano moving company for using old rope and not blocking off the area but we all know if Bob wasn't vaping, we wouldn't have had to bury him in that damn pizza box way before his time. (Although, Bob was also a base jumper and wing suit aficionado so one of his idiotic hobbies was going to get him sooner or later.)

 

[WattWick]

What I found interesting in conversations with DIYers on several forums is that they are often *unable* to go back to vendor juice after a long time DIYing.

Everyone says the vendor juice tastes so overly sweetened and/or over-flavored that they just can't imagine vaping it anymore.

I guess one's taste buds adapt to different things.

I can relate. I prefer my liquids not to have a "flavor" per se, just a hint of aroma.

While ones taste buds may be half in coma from years of smoking the 10-20% flavorings may be "a good thing", purely from a sensory standpoint. After that I believe the excessive flavorings force peoples tastebuds into another form of half coma (olfactory fatigue) - making them believe they need a lot of them to taste anything. While in reality, the amount of flavorings may be what makes the vapor taste so little. (Note the 'may be'. These are not facts, just my suspicions.)

Don't get me wrong. I know everyones taste buddies are different. Just me thinking out loud - not trying to rewrite several schools of science.

 

[Rizzyking]

Nicotine is not as addictive as was previously thought nor is it as toxic as previously thought wonders of modern science have proved this, nicotine in cigarettes is no more addictive then any other form of nicotine it is just compounded by a whole range of other chemicals that sensitise the receptors in the brain, increase the efficiency of nicotine through the body to the brain and many other suspected methods employed by tobacco companys. As for trusting the fda sorry I'd rather play catch with a sweating stick of dynamite, just like most western government departments corruption is rife and the agenda followed is not what is best for the nation or people but what is best for whoever pays the most or offers the most cosy jobs. Not conspiracy nutter just how it is now corporations now have more to do with governing us then the political monkeys we waste a vote on and it's only going to get worse.

I have said this before and will repeat that a lot of vaping forums have seen new members lately who are not smokers or vapers but people with an anti vape agenda looking as someone else said to roll in the grenades and create tension. All the research is out there for every vaper to make an informed choice regarding their approach to vaping and it's upto each and every vaper to do as much or as little reading up. As the legislative process kicks in on vaping things will get a whole lot nastier so more and more dubious threads will be started and tempers will fray, as it's increased in honesty I've started pulling back from forums I've made my choice I know what steps I'm taking for mine and my wife's vaping. To all the long-term members good luck to you all for the future and hope your vaping for many years to come, to some new members wish you nothing but failure though your likely to win for now.

 

[WattWick]

As the legislative process kicks in on vaping things will get a whole lot nastier so more and more dubious threads will be started and tempers will fray, as it's increased in honesty I've started pulling back from forums

Sadly that is the goal. Spreading FUD and frustration. Divide and conquer.

 

[Rizzyking]

I know Watt but I say what I mean whether it's popular or right lol and some of the blatent one's annoy the hell out of me I believe in being straight and honest not deceptive and full of it and don't do well dealing with it. Better to pull back then get banned for getting too fed up and unloading on someone easier for me easier for mods just better all round and yeah I know that's something they rely on and yes that annoys me too but the gutter is theirs I never liked the smell so won't lower to it.

 

[WattWick]

I know the feeling. Certainly not judging you for being fed up. Have to admit it's getting to me, too.

Maybe we should have a montly non-profanity-filter day to vent

 

[Alien Traveler]

What I found interesting in conversations with DIYers on several forums is that they are often *unable* to go back to vendor juice after a long time DIYing.

Everyone says the vendor juice tastes so overly sweetened and/or over-flavored that they just can't imagine vaping it anymore.

I guess one's taste buds adapt to different things.

I see a parallel with processed food (which I don't eat anymore). They put a lot of extra sugar and "other stuff" in there because it sells, people like the taste.

I like string beans, fresh. I've noticed that you can buy "in a bag" that quick microwave dinner in a box, and they have slathered it with (fake) cheese, (fake) butter, and all kinds of other stuff (chemicals). Ugh!!!!!!!

But it does take a while to allow your taste buds to regroup and not *require* all that. Now, when I eat a string bean, I don't even need ANYTHING on it. It tastes extremely sweet and flavorful to me. But that came about with months and months of eating them that way, and at first, they did taste bland. Now, tey don't. !!!!

You are very right. I cannot eat (at least without bourbon) most of packaged foods. I am an alien accustomed to simple foods (no chemicals, no coloring, no flavorings, no saltpeter). So, for my simple gentle taste buds all these chemicals in juice are deadly in commercial qualities. I was just forced to DIY.
I can tell you how I tasted for a first time American ham, but I am afraid I will cry.

 

[herb]

Yes. My friend Bob took up vaping, went outside his apartment to have a vape and BAM! A piano fell on his head. Sure enough, the fear mongering media headlines read "E-cigarette kills another user!" Some people would blame the piano moving company for using old rope and not blocking off the area but we all know if Bob wasn't vaping, we wouldn't have had to bury him in that damn pizza box way before his time. (Although, Bob was also a base jumper and wing suit aficionado so one of his idiotic hobbies was going to get him sooner or later.)

Hate when that happens , Bob's probably in a happier place now though .

 

[sparkky1]

It's another reason to get DIY supplies, to cut pre mix or mix from scratch. The economics are irresitable. The tobacco in a cigarette has about 20 mg of nic but only 1 mg survives combustion. All the nic in vaping survives because there's no combution. A $50 liter of 100mg nic has 100,000 mg of nic. That's the same as the yield from 5,000 packs of cigarettes. Wouldn't that be the deal of the century?

I've been doing that for the past year, about 3.59$ a week, just concerned about the up and coming folks that would like to try something besides a vuse 4.8% nicotine by weight "mister" / chantix .....................

 

[sofarsogood]

I've been doing that for the past year, about 3.59$ a week, just concerned about the up and coming folks that would like to try something besides a vuse 4.8% nicotine by weight "mister" / chantix .....................

A bad batch of commerccial e liquid that makes people sick would not be good for vaping. Government could help minimize that possibility with some sensible rules and may be a bit of research. It's hard to support even that when they make it so obvious they don't care about our ssfety,only protecting their tobacco drug trade and taking our money by any means possible. I got a belly fulll of official corruption before I knew anythying about vaping. I'm doing what I can to inflluence the politics AND stockpiling. I have no confidence in the honor or integrity of the people deciding things.

My DIY is about 65 cents a week in materials for 50 ml using one capella flavor. I think nicotine might be so cheap because it can be extracted from parts of the plant that can't be used for tobacco products.