Is vaping more dangerous than we think?

[JMarca]

Something is considered harmful until it is proven to be healthy, not the other way around.

I can't agree with that at all, if we followed that logic we'd all be walking around with gas masks on and wouldn't go outside during the day. Since breathing and direct exposure to the sun is debatable as to whether or not it may or may not be harmful.

Reign I may have to come join you at that Fallout shelter!

 

[leftyandsparky]

Mixed in certain cocktails its good

 

[ReigntheGamer]

I can't agree with that at all, if we followed that logic we'd all be walking around with gas masks on and wouldn't go outside during the day. Since breathing and direct exposure to the sun is debatable as to whether or not it may or may not be harmful.

Reign I may have to come join you at that Fallout shelter!

Room for all!

 

[leftyandsparky]

Or cotton candy vodka when any self respecting adult when handed a glass of that would ask for scotch or a beer instead.

Whoops guess I shouldn't have mentioned cotton candy.

I'm still a self respecting adult that enjoys ladys night out!

 

[ReigntheGamer]

Mixed in certain cocktails its good

I'm sure it can be and was used as an example, it was funny that those were posted in tandem.

 

[Zakillah]

Something is considered harmful until it is proven to be healthy, not the other way around.

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Yeah, except thats not how it works.

www.bernd-mayer.com/safety-electronic-cigarettes-loch-ness-monster

 

[classwife]

You can discuss without going at each other's throats or trolling - I know you can...


Chill it out a bit in here.

 

[Devn]

Why should I support recreational vaping? I support vaping as a smoking cessation tool.
I know it is safer than smoking. But it is still harmful. ANTZ use recreational smoking in its propaganda (recruiting teens, etc...). So, recreational vapers are not helping ex-smokers.

It is BV (Big Vape) that wants more and more recreational vapers. Business as usual.

i like that. but there are people out there who have the choice of smoking or vape. i'd rather they not smoke and just start with vaping.

 

[Alien Traveler]

I can't agree with that at all, if we followed that logic we'd all be walking around with gas masks on and wouldn't go outside during the day. Since breathing and direct exposure to the sun is debatable as to whether or not it may or may not be harmful.

Sorry, but its rather weak argument.
We know (it was proven) we do not need masks to go outside, at least when we a not in Beijing.
We know too much of direct direct exposure to the sun can be harmful so sunscreens are around for those who like them.

 

[ReigntheGamer]

I'm still a self respecting adult that enjoys ladys night out!

Don't kill me I was speaking from a southern male perspective.

And who am I kidding the last time I turned down a drink when a lady said here try this was well never but that's not the point.

 

[leftyandsparky]

You can discuss without going at each other's throats or trolling - I know you can...


Chill it out a bit in here.

I feel like we all got called to the principals office!

 

[dmwalker24]

I feel like the many people are too cocky about the healthiness of vaping. There are many harmful chemicals in the flavoring of the liquids. Sure, the ingredients may be "safe for consumption", but not necessarily for inhalation. I.e., popcorn lung, etc..

At this time I still support vaping as a crutch to quit smoking, but I worry about those who have picked up vaping recreationally.

Anyone who says it's risk free is lying or deluding themselves. That being said, I am a strong advocate for natural selection and personal freedom. Let adults make their own choices. I smoked knowing there were risks. Now I vape knowing there are probably still risks, although imho the risks are likely far far less. Popcorn lung is an idiotic name for a disease and an overblown risk thanks to 'news' outlets who can connect diacetyl and sick popcorn factory workers, but are oblivious to considering dosages.

I'm going to keep saying this. If you knew the high dosage health effects of all your household cleaning products and pesticides you'd never go anywhere near either without full protective gear. You probably shouldn't anyway.

 

[ReigntheGamer]

I feel like we all got called to the principals office!

I have a seat reserved there, got mah name on it and everything. But I don't want trouble with Classy so I'm going to go play Fallout and vape some diketones.

 

[JMarca]

Sorry, but its rather weak argument.
We know (it was proven) we do not need masks to go outside, at least when we a not in Beijing.
We know too much of direct direct exposure to the sun can be harmful so sunscreens are around for those who like them.

Has it been proven?
If so why are we still researching?

Have you been to Asia in the last 10 years or so? It's almost a culture now to go outside with a mask on. Direct exposure to sunlight is also still being researched.

That wasn't my point, my point was if everything that is "debatable" was harmful until proven un-harmful we may as well never go outside again.

 

[leftyandsparky]

Don't kill me I was speaking from a southern male perspective.

And who am I kidding the last time I turned down a drink when a lady said here try this was well never but that's not the point.

I know what you mean
We like our whiskey here in the south. No harm no foul its all in good fun!

 

[papergoblin]

Let's say vaping isn't safe and of course neither is smoking. Some people vape to stop smoking and then stop vaping, that's great. Some of us switched to vaping because we feel it has less risks than smoking and/or is safer for the people around us. I never switched to vaping to quit nicotine, I did it to stop smoking and to stop dipping. What, because I enjoy vaping just as much as I enjoyed smoking I am wrong? I will agree that people that don't use tobacco shouldn't pick up vaping as a social thing and if they never use nicotine in any way, shouldn't start. On the other hand though, if someone is going to smoke or vape, I would rather them choose vaping.

I don't recall anyone ever saying vaping is 100% safe, just safer. There are some liquids with chemicals in them but there are no cigarettes without chemicals. What I don't get is one thing, why are so many worried about vaping safety and making these posts, yet smoked and never asked what's in their cigarette. If people were as worried about tobacco as vaping, barely anyone would smoke, they'd be too scared to light up. There is nothing wrong with having a healthy concern about one's body but this is starting to get ridiculous.

I for one am tired of hearing about pop corn lung, so I'm going to ask which is worse, popcorn lung or black lung. How many years did any of us smoke, we're still here. People act like they are going to take one vape and BAM, they got popcorn lung, yet smoked for how long and didn't get worked up over black lung. Anyone worried about the big D in vaping should look up the big A in smoking and A is for Arsenic, you know rat poison, the stuff used to kill kings and such for centuries.

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

Quote please. Not from vaping site.

From a government website on exporsure to diacetyl.. it doesn't compare it to ecigs, if you compare this study to the one harvard did you will get your results...

Safe exposure level for diacetyl

 

[Alien Traveler]

i like that. but there are people out there who have the choice of smoking or vape. i'd rather they not smoke and just start with vaping.

Its point of view of rather old (older?) ex-smokers. Once upon a time it was cool to smoke. Children were eager to smoke - to show "maturity", to belong... No so now. Smoking lost its appeal. So, those teens who vape now are vaping not to replace smoking, but vape just for vaping sake.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Let me guess, you read that harvard study? The study that doesn't compare it to cigarettes....

Did you know there is diacetyl in cigarettes as well, if you compare the absolute highest levels found in ejuice versus the highest found in cigarettes, ecigs are 21 times safer... Now if you compare the lowest amount found in cigarettes (the best) versus the most extreme amounts found in ecigs its still 10 times safer than cigarettes...

in the worst possible conditions its still 10 times safer than cigs...

Just remember diacetyl is completely avoidable, I mix my own juice and hey it's not a problem at all for me...

From a government website on exporsure to diacetyl.. it doesn't compare it to ecigs, if you compare this study to the one harvard did you will get your results...

Safe exposure level for diacetyl

So, 528 ug/Blue vs 433 ug/cigarette.
As I remember one cigalike has about 1 ml of juice.
So, those who vape 20 ml of the identically flavored juice in their subohm tanks will get more diacetyl that from smoking 1 pack a day.
Interesting. I saw all this in a bit rosier way...
OK, thanks for info.

EDIT: Don't panic. It was the worst juice in the study. Many juices had at least 100 times less diacetyl. But it shows that yes, vaper can consume more of some potentially harmful stuff.

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

Its point of view of rather old (older?) ex-smokers. Once upon a time it was cool to smoke. Children were eager to smoke - to show "maturity", to belong... No so now. Smoking lost its appeal. So, those teens who vape now are vaping not to replace smoking, but vape just for vaping sake.

Exactly, no matter what we do some kids will ALWAYS experiment with things not intended for them...