So, you put less flavoring not because of difference in nicotine strength, but because of difference in tastes of end users.
Is vaping more dangerous than we think?
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OK, I understand. I guess it depends on the brand of nicotine used then. So some folks may need more flavoring to mask the taste of a stronger tasting nicotine but it isn't necessarily true for all. Got cha. Thank you.
I DIY and mix as high as 18mg and as low as 3mg and have never had to make an adjustment due to my nicotine base and I vape everything I mix. The 18mg has more TH but tastes exactly the same.
no that's just me, I have sinus problems, if I have too much flavor my taste buds get muted, I'll edit that I meant to say 6mg not 4mg...
I figured not comparing/calculating the comparable levels of diketones in cigarettes was an error in the methodology, but I suppose it's more about interpretation.
Most definitely! Or mixing your own, there's plenty of flavors out there that contain zero diacetyl, this is the main reason I started mixing my own, I figure better safe than sorry.
By the way I use 0.5-2% flavors. So I am not in "diacetyl risk" group.
EDIT: Actually, I do not even know whether some of my flavors contain diacetyl. Many of them are dual use flavors - for my vaping and for my wife's coffee.
EDIT: Actually, I do not even know whether some of my flavors contain diacetyl. Many of them are dual use flavors - for my vaping and for my wife's coffee.
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For those of you that don't like to do research to find your answers let me consolidate some information for you. Please open the PDF marked MSA and it will explain the drive to put the Deeming regs in place. Every smoker that moves to vaping destroys a states piggy bank.
The next one to take a peek at would be Scientists Shocked After Testing Ecig Vapor in the Lab , please note the text in red. There is also a link to the full study in this document.
When reading this document: E-cigarettes: a new foundation for evidence-based policy and practice there are three statements that are pretty interesting.
* When used as intended, e-cigarettes pose no risk of nicotine poisoning to users, but e-liquids should be in ‘childproof’ packaging. The accuracy of nicotine content labelling currently raises no major concerns
* The conclusion of Professor John Britton’s 2014 review for PHE, that while vaping may not be 100% safe, most of the chemicals causing smoking-related disease are absent and the chemicals present pose limited danger, remains valid. The current best estimate is that e-cigarette use is around 95% less harmful to health than smoking
* E-cigarettes release negligible levels of nicotine into ambient air with no identified health risks to bystanders
I attached a couple more just for the hell of it and have many more for those interested in a little science, unbiased information.
The next one to take a peek at would be Scientists Shocked After Testing Ecig Vapor in the Lab , please note the text in red. There is also a link to the full study in this document.
When reading this document: E-cigarettes: a new foundation for evidence-based policy and practice there are three statements that are pretty interesting.
* When used as intended, e-cigarettes pose no risk of nicotine poisoning to users, but e-liquids should be in ‘childproof’ packaging. The accuracy of nicotine content labelling currently raises no major concerns
* The conclusion of Professor John Britton’s 2014 review for PHE, that while vaping may not be 100% safe, most of the chemicals causing smoking-related disease are absent and the chemicals present pose limited danger, remains valid. The current best estimate is that e-cigarette use is around 95% less harmful to health than smoking
* E-cigarettes release negligible levels of nicotine into ambient air with no identified health risks to bystanders
I attached a couple more just for the hell of it and have many more for those interested in a little science, unbiased information.
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This is a pretty comprehensive list of flavorings and whether/not they're suspect.
The URL was removed.. I do not know why this site is blocked. Here's a redirect link.
I vape because it got me off a far more harmful tobacco habit and continues to do so, is it completely safe personally I think there are risks but lower then the alternative for me. As for recreational vapers don't know, don't care really got zero interest in that group or concern. Vape or don't vape only adults are supposed to be doing this so make an adult decision after doing some research but once you make your choice be happy with it not constantly looking for something wrong with it.
Facts, I love me some facts....Where are they??
Are you talking the same scientific reasoning they used to pick the juices tested...
"Methods: We selected 51 types of flavored e-cigarettes sold by leading e-cigarette brands and flavors we deemed were appealing to youth."
That sounds biased already, not a very scientific way to begin a study
Best is it sounds like they only tested ecigs sold mostly by big tobacco, people that don't care about the health of their consumers...
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Remember, it's not like vapors do not have a choice and must vape e juice with diketones in them .
These days everyone has a choice to vape e juice with diketones or without diketones and for those that want to eliminate as much potential risk as possible i would think they will clearly choose diketone free e juice.
Well... As a paramedic I can say this... I have helped over 100 people stop smoking and start vaping instead. I bring no less than 4 mods, 4 tanks and 30 bottles of DIY juice offshore with me. I loan out gear for free, I sell mods and tanks that I buy cheap on the trade forum for prices normally cheaper that internet prices.
I am familiar with these guys. When the had respiratory infections as smokers I am the one who listened to their lungs with a stethoscope. I ask them after a few months of vaping " How do you feel? " The answer is always a positive one. I for one wake up every morning offshore at 4AM and go to the gym for 14 days straight... something I could not do as a 2 pack a day smoker.
I have had an improvement in my energy level, blood pressure, sex drive, appetite, lean body mass, strength, stamina and mood. I use only organic cotton and kanthal, I DIY 80/20 VG PG juice and specifically do not use any flavorings with harmful or questionable ingredients.
I have read every bit of research and I believe vaping is not much more harmful than breathing in ambient air.
If it is killing me... at least I will feel great until I die. As far as non smokers picking it up... it does seem a little silly to me... but whatever.
I am familiar with these guys. When the had respiratory infections as smokers I am the one who listened to their lungs with a stethoscope. I ask them after a few months of vaping " How do you feel? " The answer is always a positive one. I for one wake up every morning offshore at 4AM and go to the gym for 14 days straight... something I could not do as a 2 pack a day smoker.
I have had an improvement in my energy level, blood pressure, sex drive, appetite, lean body mass, strength, stamina and mood. I use only organic cotton and kanthal, I DIY 80/20 VG PG juice and specifically do not use any flavorings with harmful or questionable ingredients.
I have read every bit of research and I believe vaping is not much more harmful than breathing in ambient air.
If it is killing me... at least I will feel great until I die. As far as non smokers picking it up... it does seem a little silly to me... but whatever.
I'm 34 I smoked from 13-14 to 30, at first I never had a problem. I worked as an electrician and was up and down ladders and stairs, walked miles everyday. I got hurt and couldn't walk for almost 6 months, then got a job that involved less moving. I started to feel the effects of cigarettes, then my youngest child was born, he is special needs. His mother ran off, I took him home from the hospital and bcame a full time care giver. I really started feeling the effects of smoking, then I switched to vaping. I felt better, had more energy and no worry of lingering smoke on me around my son. I do at times over do it vaping and get a tight chest but I drip a lot at max vg, so not uncommon. I cannot see how anyone can say vaping is a danger, when compared to smoking.
I never said otherwise herb and I do my own research into my flavourings as anyone that diy's should but at the end of the day if you choose to vape and don't read up on the research that's out there free for all to see then no forum in the world is going to do much. Anti vape rubbish gets some people all worried and bothered and rather then find out the truth for themselves come onto forums starting topics like this. More benefit and less time could have been spent reading up on the real research out there not done to serve an agenda or scare the hell out of people, add in that any vaper who reads this bilge and isn't aware of what's going on in the media regarding vaping isn't going to be sufficiently satisfied with answers on a pro vaping forum.
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