Is vaping more dangerous than we think?

[skoony]

There is certainly harm when you are inhaling anything. It is not fear mongering propaganda. It is scientific fact that has been researched by well established universities.

I understand that as a vaper you are biased and will always assume that "Big tobacco" is trying to brainwash you. But that is not the case.


For instance, I used to smoke {other stuff}, and I thought the government was always trying to mislead us with ridiculous information, and sometimes they were, but it turns out that more often then not, the studies were true. I developed psychosis and depersonilization disorder as a result of my {other stuff} use. I have since quit. But it turns out that while it is harmless physically, it can cause intense psychological scarring.

That is my story trying to tell how when we love something we don't always want to believe it's bad for us.

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Would you care to share some links to those Universities that state everything we
inhale causes harm.
Regards
Mike

 

[navigator2011]

I am not trolling. I am a genuine person sparking an intellectual debate.

If you are speaking about me being a troll because I stated that I developed psychological issues because of {Other stuff} use, then that is truly ironic. Because that proves my point that people who are inclined to believe something is harmless do not easily sway from that thought process.



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It may be worthwhile to keep in mind that the vaping community has been unduly pilloried by the anti-crowd, after having endured decades of the same for smoking. Like me, most of the vapers that I know were not able to quit smoking tobacco until they started vaping. In view of this, it makes good sense that the vaping community is defensive. After three decades of mistreatment, coupled with all the willpower it took to switch over to vaping, I just feel like saying "talk to the hand because I ain't listening."

One problem I see is that much of society appears to be discrediting vaping based on perceived absolute risk, when they should rather be celebrating vaping based on obvious relative risk.

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

I feel like the many people are too cocky about the healthiness of vaping. There are many harmful chemicals in the flavoring of the liquids. Sure, the ingredients may be "safe for consumption", but not necessarily for inhalation. I.e., popcorn lung, etc..

At this time I still support vaping as a crutch to quit smoking, but I worry about those who have picked up vaping recreationally.

Let me guess, you read that harvard study? The study that doesn't compare it to cigarettes....

Did you know there is diacetyl in cigarettes as well, if you compare the absolute highest levels found in ejuice versus the highest found in cigarettes, ecigs are 21 times safer... Now if you compare the lowest amount found in cigarettes (the best) versus the most extreme amounts found in ecigs its still 10 times safer than cigarettes...

in the worst possible conditions its still 10 times safer than cigs...

Just remember diacetyl is completely avoidable, I mix my own juice and hey it's not a problem at all for me...

 

[Romano Cheese]

There is certainly harm when you are inhaling anything. It is not fear mongering propaganda. It is scientific fact that has been researched by well established universities.

There is certainly harm to living. Everyone's going to die. Even people who don't smoke or vape are still exposed to the pollution from cars. What is your point? The resurgence of all these Diacetyl "studies" has all the forums up in arms over everyone coming down with popcorn lung. It IS fear mongering AND propaganda.

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

It IS fear mongering AND propaganda.

Yes, it's an attack on the industry, it drives me nuts that they aren't comparing it to cigarettes, ENDS (Electronic Nicotine Delivery Systems) are by far a safer alternative, are they 100% safe? We're not claiming that but they are roughly 95% safer....

 

[NeXtDimensionVaping]

Has nothing to do with any of that at all, it just occurred to me I remember a lot of your old posts and they headed the same direction as well. And especially after such a long hiatus for this to pop up now it's ridiculously easy to spot.

But by all means proceed I'm sure you'll get a few more bites before the day is over.

I am not sure which posts you are referencing. I have been fairly consistent in my activity and much of it has been in the lounge.

I feel that I am being intellectual and conscientious by creating this thread and speaking a discussion in hopes that perhaps we will all learn something, myself included.



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[NeXtDimensionVaping]

IDK, I never thought it was safe. Until it's proven to be more dangerous than smoking... I'll be happy
.

Something is considered harmful until it is proven to be healthy, not the other way around.

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[Devn]

No one being truthful has ever stated vaping is safe, healthy, harmless or risk free.
A safer alternative to tobacco, tobacco harm reduction, yes.

I don't support recreational vaping, but, it isn't any of my business what other adults chose to do.

Folks that jump into almost anything without a little research & consideration then fail to make a personal risk assessment before starting whatever it is are foolish, IMO.

Problem is we have far too many foolish people in this world that want to rely on someone else to make decisions for them, or, find a way to blame someone else when they make a uninformed or poor decision.

what is recreational vaping and why don't you support it? would you support recreational smoking so that people move on to non-recreational vaping after? am i understanding what you are saying or am i getting that comment wrong?

 

[Alien Traveler]

Let me guess, you read that harvard study? The study that doesn't compare it to cigarettes....

Did you know there is diacetyl in cigarettes as well, if you compare the absolute highest levels found in ejuice versus the highest found in cigarettes, ecigs are 21 times safer... Now if you compare the lowest amount found in cigarettes (the best) versus the most extreme amounts found in ecigs its still 10 times safer than cigarettes...

Quote please. Not from vaping site.

 

[ReigntheGamer]

C'mon folks the government will protect us from harm look at how they demolished the alcohol industry after all the cases of cirrohsis and drunk driving crashes. I still remember that one experiment when the FBI crashed a car into the Whitehouse fence to prove the dangers of alcohol.

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

There is certainly harm when you are inhaling anything.

100% of people that drink water die! lols...

 

[WattWick]

Not really going for a joke, but I feel like stating the obvious: It depends on how dangerous you think it is.

... or are you saying that

(potential dangers of vaping) = X

X = X + 1 ?

 

[JMarca]

Studies should always be taken with a grain of salt.

Did you read the one about caffeinated coffee lowering the risk of cancer?
Ironic because the study was revealed just after a major player in the coffee industry provided 4th quarter results and coffee revenue was at an all time low! Within 2 months there were 5 yes (five) medial studies done to prove this miracle drug we've been using for decades.

Coffee, Caffeine, and Cancer: What the Research Reveals

 

[Big Me]

Vaping is about harm reduction not harm elimination - This is something a lot of people forget.

The only way to eliminate possible harm is not to do it.

You want to vape? You accept any risks from doing so; the same way you accept the risks from smoking, drinking, driving or any other thing you choose to do as an adult.

 

[Alien Traveler]

what is recreational vaping and why don't you support it?

Why should I support recreational vaping? I support vaping as a smoking cessation tool.
I know it is safer than smoking. But it is still harmful. ANTZ use recreational smoking in its propaganda (recruiting teens, etc...). So, recreational vapers are not helping ex-smokers.

It is BV (Big Vape) that wants more and more recreational vapers. Business as usual.

 

[leftyandsparky]

The beauty of being an adult is to make decisions that we can better ourselves. For every decision we make in life, they will always be a pro and con side to it.
For me vaping is a pro because I'm not smoking anymore after 20 yrs thats a plus
For the con, I'm still dependent on the nicotine
So as an adult I have to look at what's best for me and weigh the pro and con.... I choose pro when it comes to my health
Fyi look at the blood samples of hour old babies and see all the man made chemicals thats present in their bodies. No matter what we eat drink or bath in even the air we breathe we are taking in chemicals so for me vaping is less harmful than smoking cigarettes. (Sorry about the rant)

 

[Romano Cheese]

C'mon folks the government will protect us from harm look at how they demolished the alcohol industry after all the cases of cirrohsis and drunk driving crashes. I still remember that one experiment when the FBI crashed a car into the Whitehouse fence to prove the dangers of alcohol.

Thank goodness they don't let the alcohol companies lure in children like the evil vape industry. What child would ever think Root Beer Float flavored vodka tastes good?

 

[93gc40]

Something is considered harmful until it is proven to be healthy, not the other way around.

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Is a cup half full or half empty?

 

[leftyandsparky]

Thank goodness they don't let the alcohol companies lure in children like the evil vape industry. What child would ever think Root Beer Float flavored vodka tastes good?

Cotton candy is better

 

[ReigntheGamer]

Thank goodness they don't let the alcohol companies lure in children like the evil vape industry. What child would ever think Root Beer Float flavored vodka tastes good?

Or cotton candy vodka when any self respecting adult when handed a glass of that would ask for scotch or a beer instead.

Whoops guess I shouldn't have mentioned cotton candy.