Is vaping worth the trouble of concealing it from your family?

[Elizabeth Baldwin]

I shouldn't have quoted you. It was a broad response to the only - smokers sentiment here. Yours was just the most recent.

Whether someone smoked should not be relevant. We all have our reasons.

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Everyone has their reasons for whatever they do. However, we try not to condone or promote anyone to start vaping who has never smoked before. Why? We have people (media, anti-vaper nuts) who frequent these threads who love to find stories where we are doing such. It is bad publicity. They use things such as this in quotes on their next big anti-vaping article to prove how people who never smoked now vape or how "youth" vaping is on the uprise. And believe it or not, they consider 18 year olds to be our youth.

So, it's really none of my business what another person wants to do. But, on public forums it's not smart to not at least state a few warning statements and leave it at that. We who smoked want to keep our rights intact. To us, it's not only a hobby, but a life-changer.

 

[aceswired]

None of which gives addicts a monopoly on vaping. Again, your reasons are yours. That doesn't make them better than someone else's

Vaping is not just for addicts.

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[thetrucker]

Most of us vapers have our device in our hands as much time as possible and we don't leave the house unless we check our batteries and ejuice

and make sure we have enough in case we need a back up.........we are slaves to this device and think we need this in our hand to function.

I am 64 and wished I would never had started smoking and even though I now am tobacco free for 20 months now I am still a slave to

these devices----------My advice to an 18 year old would be to ---"RUN FOR YOUR LIFE" and don't let your self become dependent on these things.

I smoked 44 years and towards the end was doing pretty near 3 packs a day of KOOL Filter Kings...I have avoided 30,000 cigarettes in just

20 months-----when you think about it SCARY comes 2 mind----just sayin............your friend -- thetrucker

 

[distrbd]

Your parents are your true friends,they are the only friends who would go to any length to save you, please don't hide anything from them.
Vaping seems to be fashionable with the young crowds just like smoking cigarettes was years ago, if you are not a smoker don't vape, don't follow the trend, it will pass just like smoking cigarettes did.
I am proud of you for sensing what you were about to do(vaping) didn't feel right,listen to your instinct and don't start something that doesn't feel right.

 

[Elizabeth Baldwin]

None of which gives addicts a monopoly on vaping. Again, your reasons are yours. That doesn't make them better than someone else's

Vaping is not just for addicts.

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You are right! And I don't believe we are trying to put a "monopoly" on anything. Just trying to keep our forums conversations from being quoted in the next anti-vaping article. And if you enjoy vaping you should also consider thinking before you type.

 

[zapped]

In my opinion, everyone has the own situation and reasons, and we should stop imposing our own limited views on who "should" or should not" be doing this. Your reasons are not better or more valid than someone else's. Vaping is not just for nicotine addicts.

Secrets aren't good. But enough of this "only smokers should vape" BS. We all have our reasons.


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I wouldnt go that far.

In fact Id say that someone who is using this to quit smoking is using it for what is was originally intended and designed for.Or in short, all of the RIGHT reasons.

Look up the modern day inventor of the e-cig and his reasons for making these. His name is Hon Lik.

He didnt wake up one morning and say " I think I'll start this cool new hobby for clueless hipster kids who want to imitate a fog machine. "

You can justify it all you want but any use outside of that is twisting its original purpose from something thats been a modern day miracle to many of us, into something less benign and even insulting.

A hobby? Really?

Or even worse, being used by illicit drug users.

Id be ashamed of myself, personally...and sadly it will be selfish idiots like that who ruin it for the rest of us.



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[aceswired]

In fact Id say that someone who is using this to quit smoking is using it for what is was originally intended and designed for.Or in short, all of the RIGHT reasons.

Look up the modern day inventor of the e-cig and his reasons for making these.

As if it matters what the inventor was doing it for. Do you really believe that all inventions should be used strictly for their original intent and no other reason? Is that really the argumentative tack you want to take? Really?

He didnt wake up one morning and say I I think I'll start this cool new hobby for clueless hipster kids today

So the addicts are judging the non-addicts? Funny. Seems to me you left behind the moral high ground long ago.

You can justify it all you want but any use outside of that is twisting its original purpose from something thats been a modern day miracle to many of us, into something less benign and even insulting.

A hobby? Really?

Many of us spend hours carefully extracting tobacco flavor naturally. We have intricate methods, log results, share, and record. Do we do this simply to get a nicotine fix? Nope. We do it because we enjoy it. We do it as a hobby. Who the hell are you to tell us that we shouldn't? Why are your reasons okay, but others' reasons not okay?

Talk about hubris.

Or even worse, being used by illicit drug users.

Drug users were using this type of equipment before ex-smokers were. Not identical equipment, but the same concept. So I'm not sure what purpose bringing them up provides. Seems like you're throwing crap at the wall and hoping some of it sticks.

Id be ashamed of myself, personally...and sadly it will be those idiots who ruin it for the rest of us.

Anyone who isn't a nicotine addict who vapes is a shameful idiot then? Have you told all the 0mg vapers on this forum that?

I am a cigar/pipe smoker (mostly former, as I don't do it much anymore - I prefer my vape). I was and never have been addicted to nicotine. I'm the father of twin toddlers and work a full time job. My life is very stressful at times. My hour before bed with a nice NET and a Scotch help me relax. I look forward to that time, and vaping is a part of it.

Am I an idiot ruining this for you? Are my reasons--unwinding and relaxing with a hobby I enjoy--threatening your ability to compensate for your nicotine addiction?

We all have our reasons. Stop pretending yours are valid and others' are not.

 

[Elizabeth Baldwin]

As if it matters what the inventor was doing it for. Do you really believe that all inventions should be used strictly for their original intent and no other reason? Is that really the argumentative tack you want to take? Really?


So the addicts are judging the non-addicts? Funny. Seems to me you left behind the moral high ground long ago.


Many of us spend hours carefully extracting tobacco flavor naturally. We have intricate methods, log results, share, and record. Do we do this simply to get a nicotine fix? Nope. We do it because we enjoy it. We do it as a hobby. Who the hell are you to tell us that we shouldn't? Why are your reasons okay, but others' reasons not okay?

Talk about hubris.


Drug users were using this type of equipment before ex-smokers were. Not identical equipment, but the same concept. So I'm not sure what purpose bringing them up provides. Seems like you're throwing crap at the wall and hoping some of it sticks.


Anyone who isn't a nicotine addict who vapes is a shameful idiot then? Have you told all the 0mg vapers on this forum that?

I am a cigar/pipe smoker (mostly former, as I don't do it much anymore - I prefer my vape). I was and never have been addicted to nicotine. I'm the father of twin toddlers and work a full time job. My life is very stressful at times. My hour before bed with a nice NET and a Scotch help me relax. I look forward to that time, and vaping is a part of it.

Am I an idiot ruining this for you? Are my reasons--unwinding and relaxing with a hobby I enjoy--threatening your ability to compensate for your nicotine addiction?

We all have our reasons. Stop pretending yours are valid and others' are not.

You are dogging nicotine addicts yet you are extracting tobacco? Ummm it sounds like your start may not have been from an addiction but you are now using nicotine. Aren't you living in a glass house yet throwing stones at others? The pot calling the kettle black?

Hobby or not you are using nicotine now.

 

[aceswired]

You are dogging nicotine addicts yet you are extracting tobacco? Ummm it sounds like your start may not have been from an addiction but you are now using nicotine. Aren't you living in a glass house yet throwing stones at others? The pot calling the kettle black?

Hobby or not you are using nicotine now.

I'm not dogging anyone. I'm illustrating that we all have our reasons, and being an addict is not the only one. I have nothing against nic or its use.

Also if you think NETs are about nic, you need to do more research. They are not. In fact, little to none comes over in an extract. Those who want it have to add it like any other DIYer.

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[Elizabeth Baldwin]

I'm not dogging anyone. I'm illustrating that we all have our reasons, and being an addict is not the only one. I have nothing against nic or its use.

Also if you think NETs are about nic, you need to do more research. They are not. In fact, little to none comes over in an extract. Those who want it have to add it like any other DIYer.

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Actually I have researched and actually do my own extracts. And I agree little comes out, but nic does come through.

And honestly, you previously smoked pipes/cigars and by your own words said "it relaxes" you. That's someone in denial of being addicted to something.

 

[Baditude]

I see both sides of the argument.

I too once believed that non-smokers should not take up vaping. I started vaping as a safer alternative to a 35 year smoking habit.


My teenagers became adults while I was vaping. My non-smoking daughter decided she wanted her own mod as a birthday gift. She reasoned that all of her friends, boyfriend, and brother all smoked cigarettes. While hanging out together, they'd do what many "kids" that age do --- sit around and smoke cigarettes. She didn't want to start smoking too, but the peer pressure was becoming strong. She wanted her own mod to vape zero nicotine flavors.

This seemed reasonable to me given the circumstances. I recalled that this was the age that I began smoking, probably because of peer pressures. Had e-cigarettes been available at that time, they would have been a healthier alternative to the smoking habit. We all had our reasons for starting to smoke.

Long story short, she's been vaping for over a year now. Just flavors, no nicotine. It relaxes her and allows her to fit in with her friends' social activities. In that time, due to her influence, both her brother and boyfriend have begun to vape too and stopped smoking. A few of her friends have, too. This alone is a two thumbs up.

We are all adults, free to choose what habits or hobbies we become involved with. I think it is rather narrow minded and prejudiced to judge others for their decisions.

 

[aceswired]

Actually I have researched and actually do my own extracts. And I agree little comes out, but nic does come through.

And honestly, you previously smoked pipes/cigars and by your own words said "it relaxes" you. That's someone in denial of being addicted to something.

No. It's not. Enjoying something is not the same as being addicted to it. And you falsely assume that the relaxing component is chemical. Then why does 0mg give the same effect?

You seem to badly want to label me as nic dependant. Why?

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[Elizabeth Baldwin]

No. It's not. Enjoying something is not the same as being addicted to it. And you falsely assume that the relaxing component is chemical. Then why does 0mg give the same effect?

You seem to badly want to label me as nic dependant. Why?

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Honestly I'm not. I just used to say the same thing. "It relaxes me".

No offense. I think any adult should do what they want. I just don't condone it online. I just think you were going overboard with the "addicts" posts. That's all.

Vape on.

 

[aceswired]

If I'm an addict, it's to the whiskey, not the vape.

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[aceswired]

And addict is not a dirty word. Let's call a spade a spade.

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[zapped]

Am I an idiot ruining this for you? [/QUOTE

I see both sides of the argument.

We are all adults, free to choose what habits or hobbies we become involved with. I think it is rather narrow minded and prejudiced to judge others for their decisions.

Bad, I generally agree with most of your posts. But not this one.

The OP asked for our opinions

And as the old saying goes, you have to stand for something.........or you'll fall for anything. Thats not being close minded, thats knowing your own mind and standing up for what you believe in.

Addicts as were being called, speak from a position of knowledge and authority. Weve already been down that road and its only natural that we warn people away from making the same mistakes.

Especially when they wish to start vaping by lying to their parents.....and to the people that run this forum.

Youre supposed to be 18 to be a member here. If you look at the Ops join date and his statement about his age in his original post, its clear he was under aged when he joined.

 

[aceswired]

Bad, I generally agree with most of your posts. But not this one.

The OP asked for our opinions

And as the old saying goes, you have to stand for something.........or you'll fall for anything. Thats not being close minded, thats knowing your own mind and standing up for what you believe in.

Addicts as were being called, speak from a position of knowledge and authority. Weve already been down that road and its only natural that we warn people away from making the same mistakes.

Especially when they wish to start vaping by lying to their parents.....and to the people that run this forum.

Youre supposed to be 18 to be a member here. If you look at the Ops join date and his statement about just turning 18 recently, its clear he was underaged when he joined.

Oh I agreed with the nonsense about lying. That's just ridiculous. Where I depart is these blanket statements that vaping should only be for the nic addicted.

Not defending the OP here. More standing up against those who think their reasons are the only valid ones. The OP in this case isn't the ideal subject for making my point.

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[Elizabeth Baldwin]

No. It's not. Enjoying something is not the same as being addicted to it. And you falsely assume that the relaxing component is chemical. Then why does 0mg give the same effect?

You seem to badly want to label me as nic dependant. Why?

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This post should answer your question:


Just curious if this is normal.. | E-Cigarette Forum

 

[zapped]

Oh I agreed with the nonsense about lying. That's just ridiculous. Where I depart is these blanket statements that vaping should only be for the nic addicted.

Not defending the OP here. More standing up against those who think their reasons are the only valid ones. The OP in this case isn't the ideal subject for making my point.

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I never said vaping should only be for the "nic addicted"

I said we have the most valid reasons for vaping.

We also have the most to lose if vaping is banned.

By your own words, you would just lose a hobby. ......and people discard old hobbies and take up new ones all of the time.

Many of us would would be facing the very real possibility of going back to cigarettes again and dying a slow, painful death from lung cancer and COPD.

 

[aceswired]

Oh I know already that it's the process for me. But that's not an addiction. I enjoy it; I don't need it. Craving, yes, that's a fair term. But a craving is not a chemical dependance. It's something I want, not something I need.

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