Is vaping worth the trouble of concealing it from your family?

[Elizabeth Baldwin]

Oh I agreed with the nonsense about lying. That's just ridiculous. Where I depart is these blanket statements that vaping should only be for the nic addicted.

Not defending the OP here. More standing up against those who think their reasons are the only valid ones. The OP in this case isn't the ideal subject for making my point.

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You came across as defending the OP. Even though you weren't it appeared that way.

If you're adult enough to vape then you shouldn't have to lie and sneak. If you live with your parents you should be honest and respect them. Lying to them is disrespectful.

 

[aceswired]

I never said vaping should only be for "nic addicted"

I said we have the most valid reasons for vaping.

We also have the most to lose if vaping is banned.

By your own words, you would just lose a hobby, and people take up new hobbies all of the time.

Many of us would would be facing the very real possibility of going back to cigarettes again and dying a slow,painful death from lung cancer and COPD.

So now it's degrees of validity? Getting very slippery in here.

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[aceswired]

You came across as defending the OP. Even though you weren't it appeared that way.

If you're adult enough to vape then you shouldn't have to lie and sneak. If you live with your parents you should be honest and respect them. Lying to them is disrespectful.

Agreed on all points.

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[Elizabeth Baldwin]

I never said vaping should only be for the "nic addicted"

I said we have the most valid reasons for vaping.

We also have the most to lose if vaping is banned.

By your own words, you would just lose a hobby. ......and people discard old hobbies and take up new ones all of the time.

Many of us would would be facing the very real possibility of going back to cigarettes again and dying a slow, painful death from lung cancer and COPD.

And I totally agree with this!

 

[Elizabeth Baldwin]

So now it's degrees of validity? Getting very slippery in here.

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I think you miss his point.

 

[zapped]

So now it's degrees of validity? Getting very slippery in here.

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I dont think theres anything slippery about it at all.

My health and well being trumps your "hobby" any day of the week.

End of discussion.

 

[Racehorse]

Long story short, she's been vaping for over a year now. Just flavors, no nicotine.

And yet, it is precisely the "flavorings", not the nicotine, which may actually be the part of eliquid/vaping that carries the most risk.

just sayin'.

 

[Racehorse]

Weve already been down that road and its only natural that we warn people away from making the same mistakes.

Especially when they wish to start vaping by lying to their parents.....and to the people that run this forum.

Youre supposed to be 18 to be a member here. If you look at the Ops join date and his statement about just turning 18 recently, its clear he was underaged when he joined.

Good point

The OP asked for our opinions

I'm surprised the topic got this far. Yes, OP asked for our opinion, which in its simplest form, was asking us for permission to LIE to parents, family, in order to take up a "hobby".

To me, the answer to that is always NO, since there are many avenues available to most people that don't include turning oneself into a LIAR.

For some, they willl justify lying about something they agree with, but not support lying about something they don't agree with. Such is justification and moral relativism.

 

[aceswired]

I dont think theres anything slippery about it at all.

My health and well being trumps your hobby any day of the week.

End of discussion.

See, there's the rub. I don't deny you your reasons.

Now, I'll ask this. Are you lowering your nic as quickly as you're able? Tapering off until you don't need any? Then quitting vaping altogether once you hit 0mg?

If so, great. If not ... guess what? It's a hobby. One that helps you avoid something more harmful, but a hobby all the same.

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[YoursTruli]

See, there's the rub. I don't deny you your reasons.

Now, I'll ask this. Are you lowering your nic as quickly as you're able? Tapering off until you don't need any? Then quitting vaping altogether once you hit 0mg?

If so, great. If not ... guess what? It's a hobby. One that helps you avoid something more harmful, but a hobby all the same.

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Ah ok I see your twist on this now, the terms used.
Smokers can be as "addicted" to the act, feeling and rituals of smoking as they are to smoking itself. Nicotine is not always the defining factor to smoking or in this case vaping "addiction". Some people choose to term this as a "habit" "conditioning" or "dependency" maybe in your case a "hobby" versus "addiction".
Over time your brain becomes re-wired and conditioned to certain acts releasing chemicals triggered by that stimulus and when those acts are broken you can go through withdrawal which is why so many ex-smokers that vape and get down to zero nic will still continue to vape, the rituals of the act and the feeling the get from it. You may very well be feeling more relaxed because you are doing something that stimulates your brain to release certain chemicals that make you feel that way.
So call it what you want, addiction, habit, dependency, conditioning or hobby, it is all the same at this point.

 

[YoursTruli]

So OP I need to ask what would happen if your parents found out you were vaping? Maybe stop paying for your college education?
...because I know plenty of parents that made deals with their kids, or expectation if you will, when their kids started going to college and some of them included no drugs/smoking/drinking and/or grade expectations in exchange for them paying for their way through school.

 

[Bunnykiller]

most definately.... just as important as not letting your wife know you are having an extra-marital affair...

 

[AndriaD]

If he didn't have to hide it, it wouldn't matter to me if he was a smoker or not. But since he does have to hide it, the only way I think it is worth it is if he was trying to quit smoking.

This is my feeling exactly. Why lie about something so irrelevant? If you have to lie, and you don't need to quit smoking... why go to that much trouble and expense?

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

Drug users were using this type of equipment before ex-smokers were. Not identical equipment, but the same concept. So I'm not sure what purpose bringing them up provides. Seems like you're throwing crap at the wall and hoping some of it sticks.

Plus the fact that those using vaping devices for "illicit substances" are most likely doing it in private, where no one sees them anyway. If they're doing it in public, then they REALLY ARE idiots, and need to be jailed for that, if for no other reason!

I don't think ex-smokers are the only ones who should benefit from vaping -- some folks use 0mg sweet flavors to keep from snacking so much, an entirely useful and viable reason for vaping.

If someone wants to vape because their friends do, then sure, why not? That's why I started smoking. And if it PREVENTS young people from ever taking up smoking, then it has served a valuable purpose. My quandary in this (OP's) situation is, if you don't need to quit smoking because you don't smoke... and you have to lie to your family and hide it... it seems rather pointless, a waste of money, and a bad precedent (the dishonesty) to set for yourself.

But I also agree that 18 yr olds are pretty much going to do it THEIR way, no matter what anyone says, so why bother? Go on and vape, lie to your family; it's not my problem and never will be, but don't say you weren't warned that there might be unpleasant consequences -- for the lying.

If you never consider the consequences of your actions, then you deserve them, whatever they are.

Andria

 

[aceswired]

So call it what you want, addiction, habit, dependency, conditioning or hobby, it is all the same at this point.

Exactly! And it doesn't matter what you call it, and no one label should have a monopoly on it. No one gets to decide that their reason/label is valid, but someone else's is not. That's my whole point.

 

[WhiteWolf747]

it's not my problem and never will be, but don't say you weren't warned that there might be unpleasant consequences -- for the lying.

I think you mean for the hiding.

Lying is not the same as hiding, never was and never will be. Lying is creating an excuse. Hiding is simply concealing the truth. People hide things often, but it doesn't make them liars. Some things are just better left unknown. Whether hiding it's dishonest or not is based on the circumstances, but dishonest or justified, hiding and lying are not interchangeable terms.

 

[WhiteWolf747]

So OP I need to ask what would happen if your parents found out you were vaping? Maybe stop paying for your college education?
...because I know plenty of parents that made deals with their kids, or expectation if you will, when their kids started going to college and some of them included no drugs/smoking/drinking and/or grade expectations in exchange for them paying for their way through school.

Most likely nothing serious. I highly doubt my parents would stop paying for my college education for something so insignificant. After all, I'm a legal adult and can make my own decisions independent of them. My only certain consequence would be their disappointment, so that's why I intended to hide it. There'd be no reason to disappoint them over something so small.

Ceasing to pay for your child's college education just because they take up a social activity is way too harsh. Drinking and smoking/vaping can be limited to temporary/social activities, but denying someone a college education lasts forever.

 

[zapped]

I think you mean for the hiding.

Lying is not the same as hiding, never was and never will be. Lying is creating an excuse. Hiding is simply concealing the truth. People hide things often, but it doesn't make them liars. Some things are just better left unknown. Whether hiding it's dishonest or not is based on the circumstances, but dishonest or justified, hiding and lying are not interchangeable terms.

Sophistries.

A lie by omission is still a lie....despite whatever rationalization you fabricate for it.

By your "logic" its okay to cheat on my wife as long as I hide it from her? I think she would disagree with you on that rather strongly.

On the other hand, you and Jman8 should get along swimmingly since the truth seems to be mutable to both of you.

The danger in lying to ones self, as well as everyone else around you, is that eventually you will start to believe your own b.s

Lies become delusion and delusion eventually leads to a complete disconnect from reality.

If you need proof of that, take a nice hard look around you. I could name several politicians and celebrities, as well as people on these very forums, who suffer from the same self-imposed affliction.

 

[Elizabeth Baldwin]

Semantics

 

[Jman8]

I wouldnt go that far.

In fact Id say that someone who is using this to quit smoking is using it for what is was originally intended and designed for.Or in short, all of the RIGHT reasons.

Look up the modern day inventor of the e-cig and his reasons for making these. His name is Hon Lik.

Well, only if they are using the original version. A cigalike. Why use something more fancy looking when the original inventor didn't intend that? Oh, here's the place where you get to twist what the original inventor made to fit into your world view of what that must mean for everyone else that uses this going forward.

He didnt wake up one morning and say " I think I'll start this cool new hobby for clueless hipster kids who want to imitate a fog machine. "

Neither did he wake up one morning and say, "I think I'll start this cool trend to make these bigger and better so that people can get shinyitis and make these collectible items."

You can justify it all you want but any use outside of that is twisting its original purpose from something thats been a modern day miracle to many of us, into something less benign and even insulting.

Covered above. And covered by logic of pretty much every invention ever.

A hobby? Really?

Or even worse, being used by illicit drug users.

Id be ashamed of myself, personally...and sadly it will be selfish idiots like that who ruin it for the rest of us.

As long as the shame card is being played (by vapers), I kinda hope it is ruined for the rest of us. Knowing that those who play the shame card are the REAL REASON it is being ruined for anyone.